Stop Whining Singaporeans !!
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Originally posted by Pentaxdude90:
now where is uncle atobe anyway?
Sleeping?Or maybe he gets too tired replying to the same clones everyday so he took off day today
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Originally posted by fireng:
Sleeping?Or maybe he gets too tired replying to the same clones everyday so he took off day today
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i came here cause i know got flaming war to see
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Originally posted by yiha093:
i came here cause i know got flaming war to see
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Originally posted by Pentaxdude90:
Finally angel7030 has left but only to be replaced by xtreyer and ivan -
Originally posted by Ivan lee:
Why I am trying to write this is because I am sick of narrow minded singaporeans complaining about their life and singapore. Living in a bubble. Please appreciate what you have and enjoy your life, because trust me you guys are living good. Thank you. I am just a singaporean trying to do a little for my fellow countryman and inform the masses so we dont look like dumb spoilt brats to foreigners.
I been here for 4 years and found that singaporeans complain alot about low wages, high property prices, high taxes. But you see, most singaporeans have not lived in other countries and therefore 'Think' that they are being surpressed. I used to think that too so i cant really say much. Trust me the world out there is alot worst !
You all are being protected and shelter by the goverment. Just give you a little hint, do you know that singapore is ranked 26 when it comes to quality of life In the World.
Here in the USA, many people lost their homes due to the housing collaspe and now live in tents or the streets. I would say singaporeans are lucky that their properties have always risen in value. Medical insurance is way too expensive 2000/year for myself. Many people in USA rather die than see a doctor and millions are without insurance (unable to see a doctor). A classmate broke his thumb and it cost him 15000 USD to fix it. My aunt was involved in a car accident and 5 stitches and one night in the hospital totaled $60,000 !!!!! Can you believe it?
In singapore at least you have poly clinic. Around my university, we cant come out after 9pm because we are afraid of getting shot. Trust me its dangerous. Kids walking on the street get shot by stray bullets. The unemployement is 10% national-wide and detroit has unemployment at 30%, meaning 3 people out of 10 you see on the street dont work at all.Income taxes are 30% or more, meaning three days out of then you work for the goverment. Taxes are raising too. Property taxes are 10% on a property, eg. $20000 a year for a $200000 dollar house. University rates are 40,000 half a year, compared to a few thousand you pay in NUS.And many students have to work and study at the same time because they just cant pay it.
So please. Dont complain.
You have been where for 4 years?? Since you are comparing the US...What TS didn't tell all of you is that on the other hand...in the US..
1) do you know that Price of Food are still lower in the US than Singapore.
Example 4 bunch of Lecture for $0.99, Can get eggs for $0.99 a dozen. Beef is $1.97 a lbs. 5 lbs bag of potatoes is $0.99.
2) Property price are down but it also has plenty of various types of apartment for Renting....
A Point to Add on Property in the US.....The reason property price are still down at this moment is because there are still no CREDIT available...BUT talking to property agent they are totally BUSY people who are cash rich are snapping up houses...do you know you can still get small apartment for $60,000 where do you get that kind of place in Singapore?
3) Minimum Wage. US$7.00 an hour from Fed...here in california is US$8.00/hr
4) Social security benefit requirement is 10 yrs of work.
Oh by the way....profession such as Nurse get min $22/hr. to as high as $35/hr medical assistant requirement is only high school diploma and attend 9 months of career nursing school they are pay slightly lower but entitle to overtime pay go figure.
5) Temporary Unemployment Benefit for retrench citizens. (although that get payback at rehiring )
$8000 dollars tax credit for people who buy house now, Recently cash for clunkers up to $7500 combine rebates from manufacture & government.
6) Milk powder for baby are all free if you apply for govt assistant.
In the US if you don't commit yourself with too much expenses U are fine...
So please tell me what does Singapore govt give you? and not take back?
Ever wonder why Singapore population are down because they are freaking stress out....
there are no relieves...
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Don't forget your all your medical expenses are tax deductible, as for Singapore medical expenses are not tax deductible (even your spectacles and contact lenses are tax deductible).
I think mortgage interest expense is also tax deductible in US, but Singapore is not tax deductible.
Seriously, if US is such a bad place to work, those folks I know who were working waitering jobs in the US, every time they come back to Singapore (1 to 2 years), they managed to save $30,000 to $40,000. Something must be wrong with you if you are not making enough money to make ends meet. Maybe you should switch to waitering jobs.
Can you save $30,000 to $40,000 in 1 to 2 years on a waitering job in Singapore?
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Don't forget your all your medical expenses are tax deductible, as for Singapore medical expenses are not tax deductible (even your spectacles and contact lenses are tax deductible).
I think mortgage interest expense is also tax deductible in US, but Singapore is not tax deductible.
Seriously, if US is such a bad place to work, those folks I know who were working waitering jobs in the US, every time they come back to Singapore, they managed to save $30,000 to $40,000. Something must be wrong with you if you are not making enough money to make ends meet. Maybe you should switch to waitering jobs.
Can you save $30,000 to $40,000 on a waitering job in Singapore?
The thing with the US is that it is big enough and open enough for you to choose what life style you want to lead according to your Income.....If you are making 40,000 a year you can't stayed near the Beach or Expensive area but that doesn;t mean you get to say in the slump either...there are plenty of decent area to choose from....that is why they call it the great middle income.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
You have been where for 4 years?? Since you are comparing the US...What TS didn't tell all of you is that on the other hand...in the US..
1) do you know that Price of Food are still lower in the US than Singapore.
Example 4 bunch of Lecture for $0.99, Can get eggs for $0.99 a dozen. Beef is $1.97 a lbs. 5 lbs bag of potatoes is $0.99.
2) Property price are down but it also has plenty of various types of apartment for Renting....
A Point to Add on Property in the US.....The reason property price are still down at this moment is because there are still no CREDIT available...BUT talking to property agent they are totally BUSY people who are cash rich are snapping up houses...do you know you can still get small apartment for $60,000 where do you get that kind of place in Singapore?
3) Minimum Wage. US$7.00 an hour from Fed...here in california is US$8.00/hr
4) Social security benefit requirement is 10 yrs of work.
Oh by the way....profession such as Nurse get min $22/hr. to as high as $35/hr medical assistant requirement is only high school diploma and attend 9 months of career nursing school they are pay slightly lower but entitle to overtime pay go figure.
5) Temporary Unemployment Benefit for retrench citizens. (although that get payback at rehiring )
$8000 dollars tax credit for people who buy house now, Recently cash for clunkers up to $7500 combine rebates from manufacture & government.
6) Milk powder for baby are all free if you apply for govt assistant.
In the US if you don't commit yourself with too much expenses U are fine...
So please tell me what does Singapore govt give you? and not take back?
Ever wonder why Singapore population are down because they are freaking stress out....
there are no relieves...
Seriously, quite a lot of products are cheaper in the US compared to Singapore. This is the main reason why many have taken to internet shopping. With the cheaper foreign labour force, one has to question why products and services offered here are more expensive than US.
I got a pair of Levi's 501 at SG$50 from an online shop, a pair of Levi's 501 in Singapore cost around SG$120.
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Singapore had a worse income distribution as compared to USA in 2007.
USA Gini Coefficient was 45 in 2007, while Singapore's was 47.9. A higher number means higher income disparity.
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Originally posted by zenden9:
We must choose our Government , choosing a Gov really serving the interest of all cititzen and not some business minded politician who only think abt profit and building up its own asset.This.
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Higher medical cost in the US is attributable to the higher malpractice insurance that physicians have to insure themselves against.
The rising cost of malpractice insurance, particularly for her specialty, was the straw that broke the camel's back.
"My malpractice insurance was $125,000 a year, and going up," said Wah. "The only way to get the extra money was to cut back on my salary."
But it wasn't always like that. Being a doctor was once thought to be a path to a cushy lifestyle. Six years after she started practicing, Wah hit her "peak" income year in 1990. Then she took a pay cut every year from 1993 onward, to eventually take no salary for two months prior to permanently shutting her office."
Most patients are awarded tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars in damages claim against the doctor in the US. In Singapore, I don't think the courts in Singapore will award you anything above $100,000.
A life is worth more in the USA than Singapore.
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A delay in performing a Caesarean section during Jacob Tomlian's birth will cost Plantation, FL-based Westside Regional Medical Center and Mark Grenitz, MD, $30 million. The delay left the 16-year-old with cerebral palsy, mental retardation, a spastic gait and deafness in one ear, according to jurors in Broward County. Jurors found the hospital 85 percent responsible and Grenitz 15 percent responsible in the medical malpractice case, according to attorneys.
Pontiac, Michigan: A 61-year-old woman was awarded $15 million by a Michigan jury in a dental malpractice lawsuit after her dentist reportedly failed to diagnose a precancerous lesion.
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1 attention seeker
2 doing a survey for "some body"
3 too free
4 create mini chaotic (start flame war)
5 sick
us and singapore system, etc all different
us fuck high tax and there are taxs
gst is econ -demand and supply - it apply to our makan and drink, housing, transport, everyting to substitute high tax - is a way to seal whining - gst rate remain stagant
my ntuc insurance after 40yr - they called me old uncle (nice name - senior citizen) - fees increase
singapore insurance money all collect and invest - of course fees not higher than us
why people migrate to us - got talent , got money , destress (singapore more and more brick and mortar), freedom of speech, more air/space( fuck/cursed and swear their politician openly) here "free kopi"
us people migrate to singapore - these folks got the information from the internet not from their friends, relatives here nobody bring them to bedok see 3,4,5 room hdb 1 (redhill), 2 (beach rd) only see orchard road/ suntec
for retirement part
one pr - malaysia, perak ipoh - after retirement go back and retire there for good
i guess he every month saved money to pay housing payment - retirement time sell back earn money
money park in singapore cpf not malaysia one - smart - pr also kena tax but the money earn greater than in malaysia, lesser discrimination, equal in term of propmotion)
those malaysia convert to singaporean do ns, etc 30 - 40 yrs later many money go back malaysia (got money can retire in a place they got relatives and grow up)
not pt fucking the gahmen ge time vote the right candidate enough
earn money, invest money, saved money - wisely spend money thrift, stay healthy and mentaly alert
ts you had achieved lots of feedback
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Seriously, quite a lot of products are cheaper in the US compared to Singapore. This is the main reason why many have taken to internet shopping. With the cheaper foreign labour force, one has to question why products and services offered here are more expensive than US.
I got a pair of Levi's 501 at SG$50 from an online shop, a pair of Levi's 501 in Singapore cost around SG$120.
Singapore retail need a minimum of 300% from whole sales price. While US I am still lookin at 100% from whole sales price.
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ivan lee,
trying to sucker up with gov isnt goin to help you in life.they would forget u in the end even if u sacrificed your youth,blood and sweat just trying to turn spore into a lean efficient machine.
so much for my past wasted forced efforts.
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Originally posted by Ivan lee:
Why I am trying to write this is because I am sick of narrow minded singaporeans complaining about their life and singapore. Living in a bubble. Please appreciate what you have and enjoy your life, because trust me you guys are living good. Thank you. I am just a singaporean trying to do a little for my fellow countryman and inform the masses so we dont look like dumb spoilt brats to foreigners.
I been here for 4 years and found that singaporeans complain alot about low wages, high property prices, high taxes. But you see, most singaporeans have not lived in other countries and therefore 'Think' that they are being surpressed. I used to think that too so i cant really say much. Trust me the world out there is alot worst !
After only being here for 4 years and you have now been influenced by the Singapore past time at whining too ?
It is simply pathetic that you will want to whine at Singaporeans when your 4 years here have barely scratched the surface of life in Singapore.
What you have seen is basically the surface skin that probably your over-paid wages allowed you to cope with the cost of living here, when the bulk of the population is still reeling from the effects of deep wage cuts in 2005 that have yet to be restored.
Most Singaporeans were misled for 14 years that by GCT that Singapore will have a SWISS Standard of Living before he handed over his PM seat to LHL.
Unfortunately, by the end of his term, GCT did not succeed in achieving a SWISS Standard of Living for Singapore, but had instead burdened Singapore with a very high SWISS Cost of Living.
You all are being protected and shelter by the goverment. Just give you a little hint, do you know that singapore is ranked 26 when it comes to quality of life In the World.
What do you understand by the term "Quality of Life" ?
Would you reconsider your position after reading that the ‘Quality of Life is more than Material Wellbeing: GDP as an Incomplete Measure of Singapore’s Development’ (*1) ?
Protected and sheltered by the Government ?
Is it not a fact that the Government is holding Singaporeans to ransom by targetting to house 90 per cent of the Citizens in Public Housing ?
In a separate thread in this Speakers' Corner - ‘Cost of building HDB flats – finally an answer ?’ (*3) - it had noted from a ChannelnewsAsia report that SES Mainboard-listed BBR Holdings announcement that it has secured a S$104.2 Million contract to build 7 blocks of flats in Yishun Neighborhood 4 - that comprises 864 homes, a Child Care Centre, a Roof Garden, Communal Amenities and site works, as well as contigency works.
This will result in the 864 flats to have an average cost of $120,602 per unit.
The referenced thread had also indicated that - "With the latest HDB new 4-room flats at Punggol (Punggol Residences BTO) selling at an average price of $293,000 (price range of $264,000 to $322,000 divided by 2), does it mean that the HDB stands to make a profit of about $172,398 per flat, or a profit margin of about 143 per cent?"
With such profits, is it not in the Government interests to target 90 per cent of the population to stay in the HDB units that are being built with loans borrowed from the CPF Savings, and then sold to Singaporeans at 143 per cent profit margins that suck the CPF accounts dry ?
Protecting the Citizens when at the same time holding the Citizens to ransom ?
Here in the USA, many people lost their homes due to the housing collaspe and now live in tents or the streets. I would say singaporeans are lucky that their properties have always risen in value. Medical insurance is way too expensive 2000/year for myself. Many people in USA rather die than see a doctor and millions are without insurance (unable to see a doctor). A classmate broke his thumb and it cost him 15000 USD to fix it. My aunt was involved in a car accident and 5 stitches and one night in the hospital totaled $60,000 !!!!! Can you believe it?
In singapore at least you have poly clinic. Around my university, we cant come out after 9pm because we are afraid of getting shot. Trust me its dangerous. Kids walking on the street get shot by stray bullets. The unemployement is 10% national-wide and detroit has unemployment at 30%, meaning 3 people out of 10 you see on the street dont work at all.The "housing collapse" was due to the "collapse of the financial system" that handout loans freely to those who were unable to see through the repayment of the loans - and had nothing to do with the "housing collapse"
Health Care system is subject to unchecked abuse of the insurance, and as Obama had pointed out, the insurance company are inflating the premiums as the hospitals are over-charging for the services dispensed.
The ultimate loser is the US Citizens who have no voice to defend their interests, as the politicians cut deals with lobbyists that represent insurance corporations and health care providers.
Is that the fault of the country called US citizens or is that the fault of the politicians ?
Life is as dangerous in the USA as it is in the Philippines, where a security guard can shoot across a busy streets with cars running in both directions at peak hours, or any where on this globe.
When the bullet is marked for you, and your expiry time on earth is up, there is nothing that will stop you from moving on from this life - wherever you maybe on this globe.
Income taxes are 30% or more, meaning three days out of then you work for the goverment. Taxes are raising too. Property taxes are 10% on a property, eg. $20000 a year for a $200000 dollar house. University rates are 40,000 half a year, compared to a few thousand you pay in NUS.And many students have to work and study at the same time because they just cant pay it.
So please. Dont complain.
What makes you think that Singapore is paying any less Tax then the income tax of 30% or more in the USA ?
Even though on the surface Singapore's Tax Regime may seem to be reasonable in terms of direct tax chargeable, it is the indirect revenue collection methods that will eat up the larger portions of the income.
The indirect taxes are collected from the GST that is applied across a whole array of essential goods and services that are provided by a group of Government Linked Companies and Government related public bodies such as the NTUC.
The other indirect taxes include the Petrol Tax, COE, PARF, Stamp Duties,
Why do people migrate to Sweden despite its taxes being higher than in the USA (*4) ?
Is it not an irony that despite all the best efforts at adapting the various government policies - Singapore birth rate refused to move any digit ?
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1 forum- saf- NS Defaulter/ Deserter: Stay Overseas 4ever OR Return Home?
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/377121?page=2
BY Ivan Lee
Would fellow singaporeans please help out. Any advise is great.
I am a singapore who ran to USA to study. Now that I have graduated I am thinking of returning home. I call CMPB and talked to a Major. He asked me to return home and all i will get is a fine probably no jail. Anyone with experiences ?
Thanks bros
2 forum - singaporean overseas - NS defaulters
http://sgforums.com/forums/2163/topics/377652?page=1
by Ivan Lee
Would fellow singaporeans please help out. Any advise is great.
I am a singapore who ran to USA to study. Now that I have graduated I am thinking of returning home. I call CMPB and talked to a Major. He asked me to return home and all i will get is a fine probably no jail. Anyone with experiences ?
I have been here for 4 years, no bond.
Thanks bros but just miss nasi lemak.
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Originally posted by Ivan lee:Property taxes are 10% on a property, eg. $20000 a year for a $200000 dollar house.
Quite a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?
US Property Taxes on Owner-Occupied Housing by State, 2004-2008
Texas has the highest property taxes on owner-occupied housing, and their rate tops out at 1.76%.
(Note that property taxes are deductible on the federal 1040 tax return.)
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to ivan lee,
DO U WANT ME TO FLY DOWN TO THE USA AND BUILD A STEEL FRAME HOUSE FOR YOU?
IT IS U WHO HAS IT GOOD BUT TEND TO TAKE IT FOR GRANTED!
CHECK THE LAND PRICES,CHECK THE TYPES OF HOUSE U CAN BUILD IN YER ZONE,CHECK THE LOCAL BUILDING LAWS,CHECK THE PROCEDURES BEFORE N AFTER U BUILD YER HOUSE IN THE USA.ALL THESE U ARE ABLE TO DO IN THE USA.BUT U CANT DO IT IN SPORE AT ALL DUE TO FACTORS INVOLVED!
WE ARE EXPERIENCED AND MORE LEARNED.WHO ARE U TO SAY ANYTHING WHEN U HAVENT EVEN LIVED LONG ENOUGH??
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this fella is just trying to show off, why feed the troll?
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Originally posted by vito_corleone:
this fella is just trying to show off, why feed the troll?
trolls sometimes are very entertaining
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Originally posted by Ajen:
See ah.
for those who're happy with the govt, we wont stop u.
go ahead..Yes to what you said above. They are happy with the govt is perfectly fine with me but don't point fingers at us who disagree with the ways of the ruling party.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
You have been where for 4 years?? Since you are comparing the US...What TS didn't tell all of you is that on the other hand...in the US..
1) do you know that Price of Food are still lower in the US than Singapore.
Example 4 bunch of Lecture for $0.99, Can get eggs for $0.99 a dozen. Beef is $1.97 a lbs. 5 lbs bag of potatoes is $0.99.
2) Property price are down but it also has plenty of various types of apartment for Renting....
A Point to Add on Property in the US.....The reason property price are still down at this moment is because there are still no CREDIT available...BUT talking to property agent they are totally BUSY people who are cash rich are snapping up houses...do you know you can still get small apartment for $60,000 where do you get that kind of place in Singapore?
3) Minimum Wage. US$7.00 an hour from Fed...here in california is US$8.00/hr
4) Social security benefit requirement is 10 yrs of work.
Oh by the way....profession such as Nurse get min $22/hr. to as high as $35/hr medical assistant requirement is only high school diploma and attend 9 months of career nursing school they are pay slightly lower but entitle to overtime pay go figure.
5) Temporary Unemployment Benefit for retrench citizens. (although that get payback at rehiring )
$8000 dollars tax credit for people who buy house now, Recently cash for clunkers up to $7500 combine rebates from manufacture & government.
6) Milk powder for baby are all free if you apply for govt assistant.
In the US if you don't commit yourself with too much expenses U are fine...
So please tell me what does Singapore govt give you? and not take back?
Ever wonder why Singapore population are down because they are freaking stress out....
there are no relieves...
Thanks for letting us know more about US.