Why voters can't be bothered to turn up at PAP rallies?
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Why Singapore voters can't be bothered to turn up at PAP elections rallies?
If opposition organises a political rally during elections, Singaporeans will turn up, but if PAP organises a political rally during elections, most people can't be bothered to show.
Why?
If A Picture Speaks A Thousand Words!
From http://xialanxue.blogspot.com/2006/05/picfest.html
PAP Rally at Tampines
WP Rally at Ang Mo Kio
Photos courtesy of EDMW and SBFhttp://singabloodypore.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2006/5
Why great majority of Singaporeans simply don't give a fuck to PAP?
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The PM got it right when he said there's a lot of hoo haa at opposition rallies but majority will still vote PAP. 66.6%....there are a lot of those who will vote PAP but go to such rallies simply because they have never felt such an atmosphere before.
And I truly thank them because the PAP has implemented so many wonderful policies since 2006.
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Because PAP rallies are nothing but the usual blah blah blah. I rather stay home and listen to my mum nag at me.
Anyway, rally turnout =/= votes.
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Every year the rallies by pap have never been very popular, but somehow they always win, care to explain that? dun use ur 'corruption' scandal sort of reasoning pls, cos in the first place, thats basically pure ranting with no evidence. :)
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because those who already set their mind to vote pap liao never attend the rally la.
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Originally posted by trolol:
because those who already set their mind to vote pap liao never attend the rally la.
which is exactly my point isnt it? u jus cant compare rallies with popularity(REAL one). just look at hitler. not his political stand, but his election campaigns. millions upon millions amass at his rallies, but in reality, barely 40% of the elecorate actually supported him. get it?in the reichstag(parliament), his nazi party couldnt get even 45% majority, and yet his rallies amassed millions of screaming crowds. get the logic?
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Number of turn up for rallies does not correspond with the election results in Singapore.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
which is exactly my point isnt it? u jus cant compare rallies with popularity(REAL one). just look at hitler. not his political stand, but his election campaigns. millions upon millions amass at his rallies, but in reality, barely 40% of the elecorate actually supported him. get it?in the reichstag(parliament), his nazi party couldnt get even 45% majority, and yet his rallies amassed millions of screaming crowds. get the logic?
Millions does not equate to 100%. Get it?
You only need to be one of the majority party and form a coalition government.
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thing is, what im pointing at here is, rally popularity like ditzy said, does not always equal to how popular a party really is. if the'millions' that turned up in hitler's rallies voted for him, he would have become dictator with a 90% dominance in parliament long ago, not needing to wait for years with underhand tactics. millions turn up,but how many actually voted? barely half. masses at opposition rallies, but does it all count?how many 'kiasu' ppl r in there for the sake of fun?
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TV and newspapers enough already.
People go for alternative views. -
You dont have to go to a rally to hear PAP say their views plus most singaporeans just fascinated with the opposition party 'freakshow value' rallies rather than showing support for their views.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
thing is, what im pointing at here is, rally popularity like ditzy said, does not always equal to how popular a party really is. if the'millions' that turned up in hitler's rallies voted for him, he would have become dictator with a 90% dominance in parliament long ago, not needing to wait for years with underhand tactics. millions turn up,but how many actually voted? barely half. masses at opposition rallies, but does it all count?how many 'kiasu' ppl r in there for the sake of fun?
Hitler's rally popularity resulted in him coming out tops in the polls, though he did not have the 50% majority (which could be the result of having too many parties).
Strange thing in Singapore is, the rally popularity in opposition is extremely good compared to PAP, but opposition still didn't win the majority seats in parliament.
Maybe the opposition should conduct an exit poll to better understand how the electorate voted.
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Which is why rally turnout does not exactly equal actual voting chance.
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told ya, standard singaporean 'kiasu' and 'kay po' mentality, just have to see for the sake of it, even if they dun care for watever party is holding the rally. its the same everywhere. thats why theres such a thing as elections to determine the popularity of a party, not a damn headcount on the turnout of rallies.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
thing is, what im pointing at here is, rally popularity like ditzy said, does not always equal to how popular a party really is. if the'millions' that turned up in hitler's rallies voted for him, he would have become dictator with a 90% dominance in parliament long ago, not needing to wait for years with underhand tactics. millions turn up,but how many actually voted? barely half. masses at opposition rallies, but does it all count?how many 'kiasu' ppl r in there for the sake of fun?
You don't need 90% dominance in parliament to be a dictator, you can do so with only 66.6% of the electorate.
The population in Germany back then wasn't a million, so how do you justify that the million equates to more than 50% of the population?
It's logical, not many turned up for rallies for those parties opposed to Hitler's Nazi Germany, that's why Hitler got the majority vote. But then many turned up for the opposition rallies in Singapore, but the opposition didn't get the majority vote, that's why something in the electoral process is screwed here.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
told ya, standard singaporean 'kiasu' and 'kay po' mentality, just have to see for the sake of it, even if they dun care for watever party is holding the rally. its the same everywhere. thats why theres such a thing as elections to determine the popularity of a party, not a damn headcount on the turnout of rallies.
If all Singaporean kaypo, then they would have also gone to the PAP rallies to kaypo. But why is the turnout for PAP rallies so low.
I heard from folks that those people who attended the PAP rallies are those from the grassroots, they specially charter buses to fetch these grassroots people to the rallies. If you look closely at the PAP rally participants (in the pictures above), you will notice that a majority of them wear white, whereas those that attend the opposition rallies has no distinct dress code.
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More crowd at the alternative parties' rallies as speech from them is scarcely heard over the local media. Singapore is confined to one party rule. Repression disallows the alternate parties to speak freely.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
Which is why rally turnout does not exactly equal actual voting chance.
Then you bringing out Hitler's rally turnout and electoral votes hardly justify your case about rally turnout not equating to votes cast.
Hitler's rally turnout gave him a majority vote, it didn't give him a vote like what the Singapore opposition parties are getting.
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Pple love to go and hear what opposition has to offer.
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Let me contribute.
The reason for such a massive turnout at opposition rallies is coz half or even more of the attendees are not even from the constituency thats under contest!
When i was at the WP hougang rally in the last GE , hordes of people came but who are they? take me for example , my ward was a walkover . I drove from the west all the way to the north east just to support and listen to WP. standing beside me , the person in front , the person behind were all not from hougang SMC.
But this time round , my ward is under contest from RP , i dont have to travel that far anymore to lend my support :)
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It really gave a wrong impression for the opposition members especially mass crowd gathered and listen and chant support for them.
As TCL said is true, pple come and join in the fun and listen.
Yes I ever also being asked by my friend whether want to see the rally or not.
Anyway, hope the opposition members remember this, mass rally doesnt mean they all support them 100%.
If....that is totally impossible...that opposition members can reconcile and merge to become 1 family party....then the rally will be interesting for everybody...and pap will definately be wary of them.
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
You don't need 90% dominance in parliament to be a dictator, you can do so with only 66.6% of the electorate.
The population in Germany back then wasn't a million, so how do you justify that the million equates to more than 50% of the population?
It's logical, not many turned up for rallies for those parties opposed to Hitler's Nazi Germany, that's why Hitler got the majority vote. But then many turned up for the opposition rallies in Singapore, but the opposition didn't get the majority vote, that's why something in the electoral process is screwed here.
1. first things first: germany DID not have one million ppl; Her population was easily at 40million. APPARENTLY you DONT know your history well enough to argue.
2. u want to argue on his little dictatorship? fine then. firstly, the nazi party NEVER, let me repeat that, EVER had even a 50% dominance EVER in the parliament, egt it? despite the fact the millions turned up to cheer him like he was a king, in reality barely 44% of the electorate ACTUALLY supported him. HE DID NOT BECOME DICTATOR BY WINNING THE ELECTION. HE COULD NOT. he had to kill his own ppl and threaten the chancellor to become dictator. GET IT? have u not gotten my point or u just dont have a clue on who hitler even was?
3. here's the thing: at rallies, millions show up cheering their heads off, but HOW MANY actually r supporter? HOW MANY ACTUALLY leave the rallies convinced? CAN U TELL? is that not the reason why we trust elections better than headcounts at the rallies? BECAUSE HEADCOUNTS ARENT EVEN ACCURATE.
4. its not logical for ur claim on many turn up for hitler that's why he got the so-called majority vote u claim. READ UR HISTORY. FYI: the socialists were catching up, the commies were hot on his heels. NOT ONCEdid the nazi party ever receive 50% vote dominance.
5.now u see the point here? so many ppl turn up to cheer and cheer, but if it is as u say then, that 100% r supporters, why didnt hitler become dictator straight away in1930 then, instead of waiting four long years, and murdering his own childhood friend then? dun give me that little millions crap, cos ur claim is practically non-existent.
6. so many ppl turn up at the ralllies, but let me ask u this, every year in singapore, so many ppl attend the rallies, by opposition, but how many come and how many actually leaved convinced r two DIFFERENT things.
7.now please, before u try to argue like a smart-aleck on hitler with me, go read it up first, cos ur claims r so shocking and illogical i almost laughed my teeth off:)
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Originally posted by likeyou:
It really gave a wrong impression for the opposition members especially mass crowd gathered and listen and chant support for them.
As TCL said is true, pple come and join in the fun and listen.
Yes I ever also being asked by my friend whether want to see the rally or not.
Anyway, hope the opposition members remember this, mass rally doesnt mean they all support them 100%.
If....that is totally impossible...that opposition members can reconcile and merge to become 1 family party....then the rally will be interesting for everybody...and pap will definately be wary of them.
well-said, thing is, thats the prob. the opposition r so terrible they wont reconcile! then what? want to each form splinter cell parties and try to rule? their incompetence in even getting a decision thru is clear. why would ppl then vote for them? -
yeh true....not all are from the GRC. The last time i attended one at serangoon stadium, i had to park all the way to kovan. Haha! Really like a festive atmosphere. No regrets.
