Originally posted by kenn3th:Dip immunity is not a law set by Singapore.
Please read up on that issue.
It's an international law...for it to be present in SIngapore means singapore has to approve it first..not meh??
@iceFatboy
Didn't you read the previous posts? I think an article said that at the time when he exited our country police investigations were still taking place...probably it's like what kenn3th said "he had every right to do it" under the diplomatic law
Originally posted by littlemissbonkers:It's an international law...for it to be present in SIngapore means singapore has to approve it first..not meh??
@iceFatboy
Didn't you read the previous posts? I think an article said that at the time when he exited our country police investigations were still taking place...probably it's like what kenn3th said "he had every right to do it" under the diplomatic law
my apologies, I did not. I was under the impression he was stripped of his diplomatic immunity or maybe that happened later, not sure. Also, if he is involved in a crime,and under investigations, y he is allowed to exit? Seems not right with the protocols.
Originally posted by iceFatboy:my apologies, I did not. I was under the impression he was stripped of his diplomatic immunity or maybe that happened later, not sure. Also, if he is involved in a crime,and under investigations, y he is allowed to exit? Seems not right with the protocols.
regarding on diplomatic immunity, as long as your country joins the UN, then the country's diplomats are under this protection.
now on regarding on the romanian diplomat's case under investigations, when he was in singapore, the case that was being investigated is his car being stolen. when the police have leads that when he is a suspect, that guy fled back to romania.
when the first day the reports came out, i couldn't buy that coward's story. but the police can't anyhow retain him unless they have some proper leads or evidence, and on base on their suspisions.
these are my believes. feel free to correct me if i am wrong.=)
Hit-and-run verdict today
A DAY before the Coroner's Court was expected to give its verdict on the death of a hit-and-run incident victim, the former Romanian diplomat at the centre of the case remained unperturbed.
Dr Silviu Ionescu told The Straits Times over the telephone yesterday that he was not dwelling on the verdict in the case of Mr Tong Kok Wai, who died in hospital more than a week after the Dec 15 incident.
Dr Ionescu, who is back in Romania, said: 'I don't think anything of it. I know the result already, pretty much.'
-- ST
Romanian diplomat Ionescu was the driver in fatal hit-and-run
SINGAPORE: State Coroner Victor Yeo has ruled that Dr Silviu Ionescu, Romania's former Charge d'Affaires was the driver of the car involved in the hit-and-run accidents that took place on 15 December last year.
The car, which belongs to the Romanian Embassy, was involved in
two accidents in the Bukit Panjang area at around 3am that day.
Three pedestrians were hit.
One of them, 30-year-old Singapore permanent resident, Tong Kok Wai,
succumbed to his injuries and died ten days later.
The other two, 24-year-old Bong Hwee Haw and 18-year-old Muhammad Haris
Abu, were injured.
The State Coroner delivered his verdict after a six-day hearing
involving 54 witnesses.
- CNA/sf
this romanian chap has made a laughing stock out of us. there is nothing we can do.
'I'm not interested'
FORMER Romanian diplomat Silviu Ionescu was defiant and dismissive of the Coroner's Court findings when told about them on Wednesday.
The 49-year-old former charge d'affaires at the Romanian embassy repeatedly said he was not surprised by the verdict, when contacted in Romania by phone.
At one point, he exclaimed: 'This is bulls***.'
Dr Ionescu scoffed at the evidence given by some of the 54 witnesses who had appeared in the Coroner's Court during the six-day hearing last month.
He accused them of lying, and said the 'scenarios' they painted in court were implausible, at best.
In particular, he referred to the account of bartender Mohamed Noor Hussain, who identified him as the driver involved in the hit-and-run accident.
-- ST
Coroner blames envoy
THE man at the wheel of a car involved in two hit-and-run accidents last year was former Romanian diplomat Silviu Ionescu, State Coroner Victor Yeo said yesterday.
He blamed the envoy's recklessness for causing the death of assistant manager and newlywed Tong Kok Wai, 30.
Driving the Romanian Embassy's Audi A6, Dr Ionescu, 49, hit three men in quick succession along Bukit Panjang Road on Dec 15, before fleeing the scene.
He lied that his car had been stolen. Then he left Singapore for Romania, refusing to return for the inquest.
Contacted by telephone yesterday, he rubbished the outcome of the inquest and dismissed the verdict as 'bull****'.
'Honestly, I don't believe in the court of Singapore,' he declared.
-- ST
Bring him to justice here
SINGAPOREANS responded to the State Coroner's verdict on Wednesday by saying that the authorities here should do everything possible to bring former Romanian diplomat Silviu Ionescu to justice here.
While conceding that this would be difficult, given that he has fled to Romania, all 50 people polled on Wednesday said no effort should be spared to bring him here.
Mr Irwan Mahpoel, 42, a sound engineer, said that there should not be double standards for diplomats.
'We need to stand by our laws,' he said. 'Since there is strong evidence that he was the culprit, he cannot just walk away.'
Said Mr Kelvin Low, 40, an IT professional: 'Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs needs to sort this out diplomatically with their counterparts in Romania and bring him back to Singapore for a trial.'
Several felt the Romanian authorities should take action as well. They said it did not matter where justice was done as long as Dr Ionescu was made to account for his actions.
-- ST
Waiving diplomatic immunity for Dr Silviu Ionescu so that he can be prosecuted in Singapore is unlikely, Romania's ambassador to the Republic said yesterday.
In a phone interview after the Coroner's Court delivered its verdict, Mr Aurelian Neagu, who is based in Japan, said: 'I don't think you can. There's no extradition treaty between Romania and Singapore.
'Even if you start legal proceedings in Singapore against him, you will have huge difficulties bringing him here.'
Mr Neagu said it was still too early to tell if Dr Ionescu will eventually be charged in Romania.
He explained that his country had yet to receive evidence related to the case from the Singapore authorities.
'To my understanding so far, the Prosecutor's Office doesn't have much information except for the articles in the newspapers and discussions...
-- ST
He's a black sheep
ROMANIAN Silviu Ionescu proved to be the black sheep of the diplomatic community and behaved like a coward when he fled Singapore, senior diplomats told The Straits Times on Wednesday.
They were concerned about a backlash from the Coroner's finding that the former Romanian charge d'affaires was responsible for last December's hit-and-run accident which left a man dead.
They feared that public anger against diplomats might escalate if people perceive diplomats as those who can get away scot-free after committing an offence because they have diplomatic immunity.
Polish Ambassador Waldemar Dubaniowski said on Wednesday that diplomats were generally law-abiding, and added: 'Every group has a black sheep in its midst.'
He said he understood and sympathised with public unhappiness that it appeared as if Dr Ionescu had escaped justice.
But he noted the Romanian might yet be charged in his country, where he is being investigated for manslaughter over the death of Mr Tong Kok Wai, 30.
-- ST
Account for his actions in Romania ? lol..
Highly doubtful of that.
But if succeeds. Bravo.
unfortunately, diplomats do have immunity...
until the whole world of the politicians with their "i'm better than you peons" politics (read it as poly-ticks.. many bloodsucking parasites) are willing to discard this å…�æ»é‡‘牌 which they will never ever, we're stuck with this injustice
Thats why alot of people can lift... but cannot bear to let go. And problems arise usually from that. 拿得起，放�下
i'm going to cut into the lane of a SXXXXCD car today!
if i die and get killed, please ensure he doesnt run back to his country. :(
If this happen to another country, there will be protests or riots but not Singapore...
Originally posted by sinicker:i'm going to cut into the lane of a SXXXXCD car today!
if i die and get killed, please ensure he doesnt run back to his country. :(
if you cut into his lane on purpose to cause a crash, you're at fault.. and if you die, you're still at fault..
We need BATMAN to get him back here!
Originally posted by iceFatboy:my apologies, I did not. I was under the impression he was stripped of his diplomatic immunity or maybe that happened later, not sure. Also, if he is involved in a crime,and under investigations, y he is allowed to exit? Seems not right with the protocols.
in simple terms, he used his immunity to exit Singapore
got stripped after he was back in Romania
If that is the case, lets hope that we, the Singapore, got the rights to start a war in Romania, and giving a massive genocide or whatever it is. Great?
The worst thing is that the bastard is not even remorseful
And the things he says are so bloody insensitive, I wonder how did he become a "Diplomat" -_-"
Originally posted by elindra:The worst thing is that the bastard is not even remorseful
And the things he says are so bloody insensitive, I wonder how did he become a "Diplomat" -_-"
Yalor.
And to think I wanted to go to Romania(Bucharest) for sightseeing. Now in Budapest, Hungary.
Think I am not going to Bucharest. Boycott.
since he is unrepentant, should hire a killer to hunt him down in Romania.
If ever an ang moh, unsmiling, poke in the leg with an umbrella, you're dead meat.
damm angmoh. come here and have the good life. even though he is married but still attending parties with women many years younger than him. what kind of a diplomat is this??
What do we have to gain by maintaining diplomatic relationship with a country like Romania? what's that country good for anyway?