DUMB RULES
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1) I will not hesitate to remove any inflammatory comments about anyone or anything in this forum without notice.
What is an inflammatory comment and what is not? Who decides what is inflammatory, the one being "flammed" or the mod?
2) I am aware people have different ideas about the end times even among Christians, so pls refrain from destructive comments about their beliefs. Any negative comments will be deleted or stopped.
What is a destructive comment - definition please. There is a very thin line between this and an overzealous commentary.
3) I welcome even secularists from making comments but personal attacks will not be allowed & i will not hesitate to delete such posts without warning.
This is the most iron-fisted forum in the entire EH. So what's the point?
4) This is a Christian prophetic forum with an emphasis on pre tribulation rapture for the saints altho there r other views also. Pls feel welcome to post such other views.
Bible scholars have for years debated on this topic. Even they cannot agree on the events as described in Revelations. What do you hope to achieve from this?
5) I am not responsible for libel in this forum but i will do my best to warn such people & delete such posts if i come across them.
I am sorry, you ARE responsible because you started it and you are the mod. You cannot wash your hands off this way.
6) Pls be courteous & considerate even if others severely disagree with you.
Probably the only on that makes sense here. But still you can totally disagree with what I have just written and find it offensive and close this thread. Hence lies the power of the mod.
7) Any nonsense will not be tolerated & if you want to post anything, pls think thrice.
Wah! I dam scared already.... thinking four times. Refer to point 3
Actually I don't even know why you bother with this forum.... EH will serve this purpose just as well. Perhaps it's because there are too many serious minded Christians there checking up on such topics and allegations???? So you can now mod your own postings??? -
Yes, you make very valid comments. Thanks for these comments.Originally posted by Chin Eng:1) I will not hesitate to remove any inflammatory comments about anyone or anything in this forum without notice.
What is an inflammatory comment and what is not? Who decides what is inflammatory, the one being "flammed" or the mod?
2) I am aware people have different ideas about the end times even among Christians, so pls refrain from destructive comments about their beliefs. Any negative comments will be deleted or stopped.
What is a destructive comment - definition please. There is a very thin line between this and an overzealous commentary.
3) I welcome even secularists from making comments but personal attacks will not be allowed & i will not hesitate to delete such posts without warning.
This is the most iron-fisted forum in the entire EH. So what's the point?
4) This is a Christian prophetic forum with an emphasis on pre tribulation rapture for the saints altho there r other views also. Pls feel welcome to post such other views.
Bible scholars have for years debated on this topic. Even they cannot agree on the events as described in Revelations. What do you hope to achieve from this?
5) I am not responsible for libel in this forum but i will do my best to warn such people & delete such posts if i come across them.
I am sorry, you ARE responsible because you started it and you are the mod. You cannot wash your hands off this way.
6) Pls be courteous & considerate even if others severely disagree with you.
Probably the only on that makes sense here. But still you can totally disagree with what I have just written and find it offensive and close this thread. Hence lies the power of the mod.
7) Any nonsense will not be tolerated & if you want to post anything, pls think thrice.
Wah! I dam scared already.... thinking four times. Refer to point 3
Actually I don't even know why you bother with this forum.... EH will serve this purpose just as well. Perhaps it's because there are too many serious minded Christians there checking up on such topics and allegations???? So you can now mod your own postings???
1) Regarding what is inflammatory or not, it is very subjective to diff ppl but the mod has the last say just like in EH.
2) Destructive comments are when ppl attack the person's brain faculties, way of reasoning, implying he has no brains when everyone should be given a chance to air his/her views, no matter how ridiculous. Yes, i agree it's a very thin line bcos each person has a certain limit of tolerance.
3) Sorry, but w/c forum is not iron fisted in a way? W/c govt or corporation or institution is not iron fisted in a way? Or for that matter w/c society, family or even social grps is not iron fisted in a way also? Yes, the point is different views are allowed here but pls dont go into fits of anger or tirades against opposing views. Or all out war might start here or anywhere else for that matter.
4) I just want to state my basic beliefs so that ppl posting here are prepared where i come from. As i said, this forum is titled "Apocalyptic Prophecies" & Christians doesnt have the ONE & ONLY view abt this. Even muslims, buddhists, taoists, atheists, agnostics, cultists, Moonies, JWs, Mormons, catholics etc etc have their views abt apocalpyse. Can any grp silence them so easily? Do i or u for this matter want to break the religious harmony laws by not allowing any dissenting views but proclaiming outright that my view or your view of Christianity apocalpyse IS the right way, & the rest ALL wrong?
5) I WONT & DONT START ANY LIBELS NOT HERE. How could i be responsible for any libellious statements made when I wasnt the author? Can u blame the mod for sgforums.com for any libellious comments made anywhere in this big forum? If so, i think they would have been sued already. Then where is freedom of speech or expression in the internet here? As i repeat, i wont tolerate any libel & i wont hesitate to warn or delete such posts, so that i wont be responsible. Then my hands r clean.
6) As i said, i will only close or delete a thread when it's not very valid so i wont close yours here. I might not have your intelligence or way of reasoning but i respect your opinions. It's very valid anywhere in this sgforums.com forum. Yes the mod has fantastic powers regarding his own forum. I admit this.
7) Well, if u arent thinking of personal attacks, u shouldnt be fearful. Bcos laws r meant for those who try to break them. Thanks for your comments. I will improve myself as i go along. I welcome u to post here.
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I suggest CHIN ENG to not END his SENTENCES with so many ??????????? AND not to put CAP everynow and then because this will make your post sound UNFRIENDLY and RUDE. And this will make YOU seem IMPATIENT to CORRECT and EXPLAIN to people their MISTAKE. I hope YOU would CORRECT YOUR MISTAKES (do YOU want ME to put CAP every now and then????????). Even JTB HEED your ADVICE and not put CAP in his post????Originally posted by Chin Eng:1) I will not hesitate to remove any inflammatory comments about anyone or anything in this forum without notice.
What is an inflammatory comment and what is not? Who decides what is inflammatory, the one being "flammed" or the mod?
2) I am aware people have different ideas about the end times even among Christians, so pls refrain from destructive comments about their beliefs. Any negative comments will be deleted or stopped.
What is a destructive comment - definition please. There is a very thin line between this and an overzealous commentary.
3) I welcome even secularists from making comments but personal attacks will not be allowed & i will not hesitate to delete such posts without warning.
This is the most iron-fisted forum in the entire EH. So what's the point?
4) This is a Christian prophetic forum with an emphasis on pre tribulation rapture for the saints altho there r other views also. Pls feel welcome to post such other views.
Bible scholars have for years debated on this topic. Even they cannot agree on the events as described in Revelations. What do you hope to achieve from this?
5) I am not responsible for libel in this forum but i will do my best to warn such people & delete such posts if i come across them.
I am sorry, you ARE responsible because you started it and you are the mod. You cannot wash your hands off this way.
6) Pls be courteous & considerate even if others severely disagree with you.
Probably the only on that makes sense here. But still you can totally disagree with what I have just written and find it offensive and close this thread. Hence lies the power of the mod.
7) Any nonsense will not be tolerated & if you want to post anything, pls think thrice.
Wah! I dam scared already.... thinking four times. Refer to point 3
Actually I don't even know why you bother with this forum.... EH will serve this purpose just as well. Perhaps it's because there are too many serious minded Christians there checking up on such topics and allegations???? So you can now mod your own postings???
CHIN ENG, please CORRECT your STYLES?????
THANK YOU ???? -
Haiii....
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you urself also use cap mah
CAP is nice....easy to read. CE is an uncle leh....wat u expect?
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I using his style lar. Show him how disrespectful the post can look like.Originally posted by NT2:you urself also use cap mah
CAP is nice....easy to read. CE is an uncle leh....wat u expect? -
What can I expect from uncle? I thought he is a patient uncle?Originally posted by NT2:you urself also use cap mah
CAP is nice....easy to read. CE is an uncle leh....wat u expect? -
Ok, I gtg liao. Maybe I return in a few days time. Cya.
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Hai... kids....Originally posted by happyharvest:I suggest CHIN ENG to not END his SENTENCES with so many ??????????? AND not to put CAP everynow and then because this will make your post sound UNFRIENDLY and RUDE. And this will make YOU seem IMPATIENT to CORRECT and EXPLAIN to people their MISTAKE. I hope YOU would CORRECT YOUR MISTAKES (do YOU want ME to put CAP every now and then????????). Even JTB HEED your ADVICE and not put CAP in his post????
CHIN ENG, please CORRECT your STYLES?????
THANK YOU ????
I put cap in heading because we were taught to capitalize subject matters. Part of the upbringing of twenty years ago, check with your parents. I put cap in paragraph to highlight/emphasize words. Check on any good books which needed to emphasize certain words. I sound unfriendly and rude to you because I want to sound unfriendly and rude to you. It has nothing to do with the bolds or cap. Anyway I have never claim to be humble. I will openly admit that I am arrogant. That's one of my darker side. So let God deal with me on this one. Do you mind bolded letters.... suddenly I am afraid to offend you. How about Italized ones, or underlined emphasis. Or a combination of all three Tell me which you prefer and I will stick to it. If I appear impatient to you, it's okay with me. You opinion really matters very little to me. I have also never claimed to be patient, it's others who said that I am very patient and I have stated on record that this observation is not an accurate observation. Actually I am a very impatient person. You can cap all you want, because it's your finger that's typing, not mine. Sure go ahead and copy my style, see if it bothers me. JTB heed my advice of not PUTTING ALL CAPS IN HIS NOTES. Actually, that advice did not come from me alone, so the observation is quite universal. Of course, there are others who think my style needed some correction, I will be happy to hear them. Coming from you? Nah!
You are missing the point of how to write notes and emails.
Email etiquette states that fully capping the entire note is liken to shouting, whether the shouting is intended or not. JTB's did not intend to shout. So he is able to understand where the others (and myself) are coming from. In any given paragraph, when the writer needs to emphasize a point, the writer can either bold, italized, underline or colorize a word or a phrase. As long as it is done in small dosage, it is ok.
The question marks??? Well if you read comics enough, you know that in any speech bubbles, multiple question marks emphasize the importance of the question or the high level of confusion.
Do you understand???????????????
Let me help you understand that I am arrogant, impatient, and absolutely hate stupidity. I have told you my problems.... so what are yours????
P,E,A,C,E.. (for decorative purpose only) and a happy happy happy day to you (also decorative only) -
Boy, boy, don't go, don't go.... come back and play...Originally posted by happyharvest:Ok, I gtg liao. Maybe I return in a few days time. Cya. -
Boh pian... the other one at EH close already...Originally posted by M©+square:Haiii....
Hey, mod... you think HH's note is a personal attack??? -
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I dont think so. If he's is a personal attack, then i will have to delete or warn both of u. Pls remember that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble if u're reading your bible correctly or perhaps u arent reading the bible but just dissecting our english or intelligence?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Boh pian... the other one at EH close already...
Hey, mod... you think HH's note is a personal attack??? -
He's just trying to make a point here. If CE didnt use CAPS, there's no need for HH to use CAPS here also. I thot uncle should be more mature than kids like us or really he went senile already?Originally posted by NT2:you urself also use cap mah
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Well then why do u accuse me of shouting by putting caps then last time? It's ok. I overdid it. I am sorry abt that. Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God & in due time He will lift u up! So why not humble yourself so that God can lift you up? Isnt that better than to put others down? Bcos when God lifts u up, who can put u down?
Hai... kids.... I put cap in heading because we were taught to capitalize subject matters. Part of the upbringing of twenty years ago, check with your parents. I put cap in paragraph to highlight/emphasize words. Check on any good books which needed to emphasize certain words. I sound unfriendly and rude to you because I[b] want to sound unfriendly and rude to you. It has nothing to do with the bolds or cap. Anyway I have never claim to be humble. I will openly admit that I am arrogant. That's one of my darker side. So let God deal with me on this one. Do you mind bolded letters.... suddenly I am afraid to offend you. How about Italized ones, or underlined emphasis. Or a combination of all three Tell me which you prefer and I will stick to it. If I appear impatient to you, it's okay with me. You opinion really matters very little to me. I have also never claimed to be patient, it's others who said that I am very patient and I have stated on record that this observation is not an accurate observation. Actually I am a very impatient person. You can cap all you want, because it's your finger that's typing, not mine. Sure go ahead and copy my style, see if it bothers me. JTB heed my advice of not PUTTING ALL CAPS IN HIS NOTES. Actually, that advice did not come from me alone, so the observation is quite universal. Of course, there are others who think my style needed some correction, I will be happy to hear them. Coming from you? Nah!
You are missing the point of how to write notes and emails.
Email etiquette states that fully capping the entire note is liken to shouting, whether the shouting is intended or not. JTB's did not intend to shout. So he is able to understand where the others (and myself) are coming from. In any given paragraph, when the writer needs to emphasize a point, the writer can either bold, italized, underline or colorize a word or a phrase. As long as it is done in small dosage, it is ok.
The question marks??? Well if you read comics enough, you know that in any speech bubbles, multiple question marks emphasize the importance of the question or the high level of confusion.
Do you understand???????????????
Let me help you understand that I am arrogant, impatient, and absolutely hate stupidity. I have told you my problems.... so what are yours????
P,E,A,C,E.. (for decorative purpose only) and a happy happy happy day to you (also decorative only)
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I am not sure whether u believe what the bible say but if u say we're stupid, then i dont know what to say. Prob u think the bible or God's word is stupid. Or we're stupid not to interpret the bible correctly or to your understanding. Or God in the bible is STUPID?
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Originally posted by John The Baptist:I dont think so. If he's is a personal attack, then i will have to delete or warn both of u. Pls remember that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble if u're reading your bible correctly or perhaps u arent reading the bible but just dissecting our english or intelligence? I thought you'd feel that way.
No need to go the way of "read the Bible..." and all that lah. Nope, in this instance there is nothing to read about. Or if there is, then we all, you, him, me need to read the Bible more....
Still is it the reading part or the acting out part? You think?
Maybe it's the english, maybe it's the intelligence, maybe it's the logic, you decide
Aiyah, the caps again. I say I don't care if he wants to use caps lah.
He's just trying to make a point here. If CE didnt use CAPS, there's no need for HH to use CAPS here also. I thot uncle should be more mature than kids like us or really he went senile already?
Gotta dissect again, sorry. Accusation: putting the blame on someone, especially when there is not truth in the allegation. If you overdid it, then it is NOT an accusation. You apologised before, let's move on. I did not bring it up again.
Well then why do u accuse me of shouting by putting caps then last time? It's ok. I overdid it. I am sorry abt that. Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God & in due time He will lift u up! So why not humble yourself so that God can lift you up? Isnt that better than to put others down? Bcos when God lifts u up, who can put u down?
I am not sure whether u believe what the bible say but if u say we're stupid, then i dont know what to say. Prob u think the bible or God's word is stupid. Or we're stupid not to interpret the bible correctly or to your understanding. Or God in the bible is STUPID? 
Don't put words in my mouth, where did I say the Bible or God's word is stupid? YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR REMARKS! Where did you read that I say "you are stupid because you don't interpret the Bible correctly" or even "to my understnading" AGAIN PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ALLEGATIONS otherwise this is DEFAMATION and YOU ARE SPEAKING UNTRUTH (oops! sorry about the caps - they are meant to be emphasis). Where did you read that I say or wrote or impied that God in the Bible is stupid?
IF YOU CANNOT FIND A SINGLE QUOTATION FROM ME on this, you owe me an apology!
Remember your position, you are the mod here, if you cannot even read and understand what people are writing, you better get another job. Or you are now abusing your power as moderator to shower false allegations on those who come in here?
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Johnnie boy: you are violating your own rules:
1) I will not hesitate to remove any inflammatory comments about anyone or anything in this forum without notice.
An inflammatory comment start by HH goes unnoticed by you. Yes, this is a spillover from EH, it is still inflammatory.
2) I am aware people have different ideas about the end times even among Christians, so pls refrain from destructive comments about their beliefs. Any negative comments will be deleted or stopped.
You are personally making destructive comments about me by making unsubstiated allegations.
3) I welcome even secularists from making comments but personal attacks will not be allowed & i will not hesitate to delete such posts without warning.
See point 2.
4) This is a Christian prophetic forum with an emphasis on pre tribulation rapture for the saints altho there r other views also. Pls feel welcome to post such other views.
I have not comment on the content in this forum out of respect for you, my sole contribution in this whole thread before HH's post was on your guidelines. HH has changed the entire focus of your forum. What are you doing about it?
5) I am not responsible for libel in this forum but i will do my best to warn such people & delete such posts if i come across them.
Oh yes you are! By making totally untrue allegations about me.
6) Pls be courteous & considerate even if others severely disagree with you.
Have you been courteous to me in your last post?
7) Any nonsense will not be tolerated & if you want to post anything, pls think thrice.
How many times have you thought about it before you start showering me with accusations?
I NEED YOU TO PROVE THE ACCUSATIONS OTHERWISE nee wo mei wan mei liao! -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Wahahahaha!!!!!
Johnnie boy: you are violating your own rules:
[b]I NEED YOU TO PROVE THE ACCUSATIONS OTHERWISE nee wo mei wan mei liao![/b]
..Clap Clap..
But i forsee Johnny will draw out verses again...
For no reason...
Cheers -
Originally posted by M©+square:Wahahahaha!!!!!
..Clap Clap..
But i forsee Johnny will draw out verses again... For no reason...
Cheers I sincerely hope he does quote verses again.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Hello uncle CE, why are u so serious like I really accuse u? I quote u here:
Gotta dissect again, sorry. Accusation: putting the blame on someone, especially when there is not truth in the allegation. If you overdid it, then it is NOT an accusation. You apologised before, let's move on. I did not bring it up again. Don't put words in my mouth, where did I say the Bible or God's word is stupid? YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR REMARKS! Where did you read that I say "you are stupid because you don't interpret the Bible correctly" or even "to my understnading" AGAIN PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ALLEGATIONS otherwise this is DEFAMATION and YOU ARE SPEAKING UNTRUTH (oops! sorry about the caps - they are meant to be emphasis). Where did you read that I say or wrote or impied that God in the Bible is stupid?
[b]IF YOU CANNOT FIND A SINGLE QUOTATION FROM ME on this, you owe me an apology!
Remember your position, you are the mod here, if you cannot even read and understand what people are writing, you better get another job. Or you are now abusing your power as moderator to shower false allegations on those who come in here?
I know what character flaws I have. Do you know yours?[/b]Do you understand???????????????
Let me help you understand that I am arrogant, impatient, and absolutely hate stupidity. I have told you my problems.... so what are yours????
What're u implying yourself? That HH doesnt understand bcos he stupid one or he not stupid one? You absolutely hate stupidity, so do u hate me if i sounded stupid or for that matter whoever that replies to u? Well, u very well know your own problems so why rake up other ppl's problems to justfify your own probs?
I quote myself here:Prob u think the bible or God's word is stupid. Or we're stupid not to interpret the bible correctly or to your understanding. Or God in the bible is STUPID?
I said PROBABLY not ABSOLUTELY. Why u jump at this? Relax man. I know S'pore very stressed up. I used question marks w/c means i dont know your true intentions or implications. Sorry if i offended u. Sorry if i misunderstood u. Just guessing that's all. Pls dont be like govt who jumps at every comment. I am allowing so much leeway here in this forum & i still allow u to make your comments, so am i still iron-fisted like what u said abt me?
Ok i apologise that i was unfair at the implication, as i have explained my position above. I was only conjecturing bcos i m not u. I am also not God who can read your mind. Or else u will be worshipping me already.
I also quote u here:I thought you'd feel that way.
No need to go the way of "read the Bible..." and all that lah. Nope, in this instance there is nothing to read about. Or if there is, then we all, you, him, me need to read the Bible more....
Still is it the reading part or the acting out part? You think?
Maybe it's the english, maybe it's the intelligence, maybe it's the logic, you decide
Why u add laughter smileys to before & after this quote? What are u implying abt me also? That i throw out my bible & not ask ppl to read the bible even tho i am a Christian who has every right to read the bible & quote bible verses here in my own Christian forum. Then why not u go to buddhist forum & ask them not to quote from the buddhist scriptures or not to read their scriptures? Why also u dont question their acting out & come attack me or other Christians here for our acting out? But i thank God that u remind us to act out what we preach but pls be reminded we are saved by God's grace & no one is righteous, no not one, all have gone astray each to his own way. & God looked from heaven to see who can be saved but no one! So it's His grace that i being a sinner was saved. Are u intent on making everyone here in this sgforums.com own up to their flaws? -
Now u sound like a gangster from the biggest mafia in town. Are u going to beat me up or what?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Johnnie boy: you are violating your own rules:
1) I will not hesitate to remove any inflammatory comments about anyone or anything in this forum without notice.
An inflammatory comment start by HH goes unnoticed by you. Yes, this is a spillover from EH, it is still inflammatory.
2) I am aware people have different ideas about the end times even among Christians, so pls refrain from destructive comments about their beliefs. Any negative comments will be deleted or stopped.
You are personally making destructive comments about me by making unsubstiated allegations.
3) I welcome even secularists from making comments but personal attacks will not be allowed & i will not hesitate to delete such posts without warning.
See point 2.
4) This is a Christian prophetic forum with an emphasis on pre tribulation rapture for the saints altho there r other views also. Pls feel welcome to post such other views.
I have not comment on the content in this forum out of respect for you, my sole contribution in this whole thread before HH's post was on your guidelines. HH has changed the entire focus of your forum. What are you doing about it?
5) I am not responsible for libel in this forum but i will do my best to warn such people & delete such posts if i come across them.
Oh yes you are! By making totally untrue allegations about me.
6) Pls be courteous & considerate even if others severely disagree with you.
Have you been courteous to me in your last post?
7) Any nonsense will not be tolerated & if you want to post anything, pls think thrice.
How many times have you thought about it before you start showering me with accusations?
[b]I NEED YOU TO PROVE THE ACCUSATIONS OTHERWISE nee wo mei wan mei liao![/b][/quote]
What is inflammatory to u might not be inflammatory to me or HH or anybody else for that matter. Yes, i will delete any flames but i also said I quote here:
My rule no 2 regarding flames:2) Pls dont feel inhibited from making valid but strong worded comments but pls bear in mind not everyone thinks the same as you, not even the moderator here. I won't anyhow delete a post or close a topic for no good valid reasons.
Pls read carefully above. I am not ironfisted like what u say so do i need an apology from u also here?
I also quote your last sentence:
[quote]I NEED YOU TO PROVE THE ACCUSATIONS OTHERWISE nee wo mei wan mei liao! -
So are you denying that make statements to the effect of "Prob u think the bible or God's word is stupid. Or we're stupid not to interpret the bible correctly or to your understanding. Or God in the bible is STUPID? "Originally posted by John The Baptist:Hello uncle CE, why are u so serious like I really accuse u? I quote u here:
Here is where I think the problem is - sigh - and don't take this the wrong way. The problem is the short form "Prob" which you now claim to mean as "Probably" where I see that as a short form of "Problem". Here is why I absolute hate short form in write such notes. and my preference to us proper English spelling is why I write what I write. Of course, in retrospect, the sentence: "Problem you think the bible or God's word is stupid" may not sound grammatically correct - but hey, lots of people write with broken English here. I really really like to encourage people to write properly (even in SMS). There are proper short forms and then there are the others. In order not to be misunderstood, it is important to spell out, at least, the important/key words.
I said I hate stupidity, I did not say I hate you. Stupidity comes in the form of not clarify even when asked many times. Stupidity comes in the form an illogical mindset. I am not raking up people's problems, I am just trying to highlight the fact that I am NOT perfect and I admit to my problems. It's time probably you and HH admit to yours, whatever that may be.
What're u implying yourself? That HH doesnt understand bcos he stupid one or he not stupid one? You absolutely hate stupidity, so do u hate me if i sounded stupid or for that matter whoever that replies to u? Well, u very well know your own problems so why rake up other ppl's problems to justfify your own probs?
My point here is exactly this - this is a Christian forum, it is extremely cliche to just as someone to go read the Bible, as if the brother/sister concern is not aware of that. No need to go that way. In practical terms - read what? I can quote (or misquote) any verse to justify my argument - this something that I will not want to do.
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I thought you'd feel that way.
No need to go the way of "read the Bible..." and all that lah. Nope, in this instance there is nothing to read about. Or if there is, then we all, you, him, me need to read the Bible more....
Still is it the reading part or the acting out part? You think?
Maybe it's the english, maybe it's the intelligence, maybe it's the logic, you decide
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Why u add laughter smileys to before & after this quote? What are u implying abt me also? That i throw out my bible & not ask ppl to read the bible even tho i am a Christian who has every right to read the bible & quote bible verses here in my own Christian forum. Then why not u go to buddhist forum & ask them not to quote from the buddhist scriptures or not to read their scriptures? Why also u dont question their acting out & come attack me or other Christians here for our acting out? But i thank God that u remind us to act out what we preach but pls be reminded we are saved by God's grace & no one is righteous, no not one, all have gone astray each to his own way. & God looked from heaven to see who can be saved but no one! So it's His grace that i being a sinner was saved. Are u intent on making everyone here in this sgforums.com own up to their flaws?
I know exactly what this reply was going to be. So maybe you can define what inflammatory is? Instead of sounding extremely wishy washy in terms of "mod decide"
What is inflammatory to u might not be inflammatory to me or HH or anybody else for that matter. Yes, i will delete any flames but i also said I quote here
If you had asked for apology immediate after my comments, I would have given it.... right now, this is not necessary because you had accepted my comments, then, at face value and even thanked me for them.
Pls read carefully above. I am not ironfisted like what u say so do i need an apology from u also here?
First you say that probably I don't love God and find the Bible stupid, now you are saying that sound like a gangster? Don't you know when to stop?
Now u sound like a gangster from the biggest mafia in town. Are u going to beat me up or what
If I say that JTB does not love God and is constantly misquoting the Bible. would you demand an apology? And if the apology is not coming, will you let it rest?
Anyway, I am willing to apologise for this one. I was p-issed!
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Sorry for the grammar error.
So are you denying that make statements to the effect of "Prob u think the bible or God's word is stupid. Or we're stupid not to interpret the bible correctly or to your understanding. Or God in the bible is STUPID? "
Here is where I think the problem is - sigh - and don't take this the wrong way. The problem is the short form "Prob" which you now claim to mean as "Probably" where I see that as a short form of "Problem". Here is why I absolute hate short form in write such notes. and my preference to us proper English spelling is why I write what I write. Of course, in retrospect, the sentence: "Problem you think the bible or God's word is stupid" may not sound grammatically correct - but hey, lots of people write with broken English here. I really really like to encourage people to write properly (even in SMS). There are proper short forms and then there are the others. In order not to be misunderstood, it is important to spell out, at least, the important/key words.I said I hate stupidity, I did not say I hate you. Stupidity comes in the form of not clarify even when asked many times. Stupidity comes in the form an illogical mindset. I am not raking up people's problems, I am just trying to highlight the fact that I am NOT perfect and I admit to my problems. It's time probably you and HH admit to yours, whatever that may be.
Ok. I get u, so u dont hate me. Actually i also hate stupidity. That's why always learning to my best ability. Not everyone has a good brain. Some ppl r gifted by God with higher IQ. So they can reason better. I already admitted that i dont have such good IQ & reasoning power. Must i repeat?
I am not the catholic priest or pastor, so why confess to me? Even so, we must confess to God not man only. Why are u intent on us admitting whatever that may be? Will that make u a better man than us? Come on lah. Who isnt a sinner & who isnt saved by grace? & which sin is greater than w/c? U being self confessed arrogant, impatient, stupidity hating man can go heaven, so why cant we? Even catholic priests & pastors sin what? So the church condemn them to hell or is it God who does the condemning? We cant point fingers that day at each other to justify ourselves bcos God will be the One pointing the finger at all of us here! Are u claiming bcos we r less holy than u, so we cant go to heaven or no right in church? Did i say i was perfect? Are u the only imperfect man to go to heaven?My point here is exactly this - this is a Christian forum, it is extremely cliche to just as someone to go read the Bible, as if the brother/sister concern is not aware of that. No need to go that way. In practical terms - read what? I can quote (or misquote) any verse to justify my argument - this something that I will not want to do.
Am i the POPE to tell u to read what in the bible? Is this the dark ages again? Must a pastor control what his congregation read? But i dont see u quoting leh, just keep dissecting that's all. U agree this is Christian forum, so why dont u quote from the bible to rebuke me instead of just dissecting my every word & attacking my motives, sins etc? Who cant do this? Even my atheist fren can do it so well that i have nothing to say!I know exactly what this reply was going to be. So maybe you can define what inflammatory is? Instead of sounding extremely wishy washy in terms of "mod decide"
Sorry i cant tell u. Ok? I did say use your discretion. Must everything be spelt out like in school? Some rules r just not spelt outright.First you say that probably I don't love God and find the Bible stupid, now you are saying that sound like a gangster? Don't you know when to stop?
If I say that JTB does not love God and is constantly misquoting the Bible. would you demand an apology? And if the apology is not coming, will you let it rest?
Anyway, I am willing to apologise for this one. I was p-issed!
No smileys or emoticons in this note - in case it might offend you.
If u can dissect my words according to your own high standards, why cant i dissect what u say according to my lowly stds? U said not angry with me then why are u p-issed? Did i hear correctly? I accept your apology just like u accepted mine so many times in your forbearance. Thank u. God bless. -
Sorry for the grammar error.
No problem, I too have to remind myself to be very careful when reading abbreviated words.
Ok. I get u, so u dont hate me. Actually i also hate stupidity. That's why always learning to my best ability. Not everyone has a good brain. Some ppl r gifted by God with higher IQ. So they can reason better. I already admitted that i dont have such good IQ & reasoning power. Must i repeat?
I don't want to go in the area of high or low IQ or even gifted or not gifted. Stupidity is NOT IGNORANCE. Stupidity is without common sense. Please, I was NOT referring to you. I have seen smart people doing stupid things. So IQ has no play it this. If I am to give an example, again, only as an example, when a person broadcasted a personal message without prior consent - that's stupid. Don't tell me we are not familiar with the Blind Copy function in email? Note that I am ONLY USING this as an example and not to bring up old issues.
I am not the catholic priest or pastor, so why confess to me? Even so, we must confess to God not man only. Why are u intent on us admitting whatever that may be? Will that make u a better man than us? Come on lah. Who isnt a sinner & who isnt saved by grace? & which sin is greater than w/c? U being self confessed arrogant, impatient, stupidity hating man can go heaven, so why cant we? Even catholic priests & pastors sin what? So the church condemn them to hell or is it God who does the condemning? We cant point fingers that day at each other to justify ourselves bcos God will be the One pointing the finger at all of us here! Are u claiming bcos we r less holy than u, so we cant go to heaven or no right in church? Did i say i was perfect? Are u the only imperfect man to go to heaven?
Who's confessing to you? Xiao ar? I don't even confess to my pastor. I just wanted to make a point that we should all come down from high horse of spiritual superiority either in the form of thinking that we are martyrs, or the suffering individual, or the oppressed. One form of spiritual superiority is to pretend to be a super-Christian another form is to think that we are the super-downtrodden.
I am also trying to make a point because the word "patient" got tagged to me by mistake, plus with HH making an issue of it.
Am i the POPE to tell u to read what in the bible? Is this the dark ages again? Must a pastor control what his congregation read? But i dont see u quoting leh, just keep dissecting that's all. U agree this is Christian forum, so why dont u quote from the bible to rebuke me instead of just dissecting my every word & attacking my motives, sins etc? Who cant do this? Even my atheist fren can do it so well that i have nothing to say!
You did say this: "perhaps u arent reading the bible but just dissecting our english or intelligence?"
I quoted some verses once to you, in another forum.
I don't believe the Bible is to be misused in this way - to push personal emotions and personal inclinations. If we (Christians) are going to debate on theology, I will quote the Bible. We are not talking about theology here. To misquote or misuse the Bible is tantamount to using the Lord's name in vain. I am too afraid to do that. This happens to be my personal stand on the use of Scripture. I do not impose this view on you or other Christians.
I where got attack your sins? Motives? let's just say that I don't believe that in your current state of mind, you are capable of running an objective forum, but this is just my opinion. No malice, no ill-intent.
Sorry i cant tell u. Ok? I did say use your discretion. Must everything be spelt out like in school? Some rules r just not spelt outright.
I believe it can be done. I believe that boundaries can be drawn. Otherwise, if the discretion lies with the mod, then we can all accuse the mod (not necessarily you) as being bias. No different from the out-of-bounds marker in parliament, or even the out-of-bounds markers in the Toastmaster's Club. But since it is your forum, it's your decision. All I am saying is - if you leave it as undefined - and not even attempting to define - you have too many grey areas. Take this as a gentle comment.
If u can dissect my words according to your own high standards, why cant i dissect what u say according to my lowly stds? U said not angry with me then why are u p-issed? Did i hear correctly? I accept your apology just like u accepted mine so many times in your forbearance. Thank u. God bless.
Yes, of course you can. At the end of the day, and like it or not, it's our credibility at stake. You may not care about it, but I am sure God is concern as to how we show ourselves in public.
How we are viewed is largely dependent on what and how we write. If, I use the word if, you feel that you have a low standard, for example how then can you moderate such a forum - which in reality is a lot more topical than EH.
OK. The p-issed thing...
Look, you seem to like to mix and match totally unconnected words or events.
I was not angry with you when all this started. I got p-issed when you start to make, to me, derogatory remarks about me. There is a time difference here, again. -
I am very sorry that i misunderstood. Anyway how u define smart? How can smart=stupid at the same time? Do u again like govt define smart=masters degree or PhD? Sometimes i really dont understand. Pls pardon me.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I don't want to go in the area of high or low IQ or even gifted or not gifted. Stupidity is NOT IGNORANCE. Stupidity is without common sense. Please, I was NOT referring to you. I have seen smart people doing stupid things. So IQ has no play it this. If I am to give an example, again, only as an example, when a person broadcasted a personal message without prior consent - that's stupid. Don't tell me we are not familiar with the Blind Copy function in email? Note that I am ONLY USING this as an example and not to bring up old issues.Who's confessing to you? Xiao ar? I don't even confess to my pastor. I just wanted to make a point that we should all come down from high horse of spiritual superiority either in the form of thinking that we are martyrs, or the suffering individual, or the oppressed. One form of spiritual superiority is to pretend to be a super-Christian another form is to think that we are the super-downtrodden.
I am also trying to make a point because the word "patient" got tagged to me by mistake, plus with HH making an issue of it.
Well u sounded like that. Sorry lah. I never said i was superior or inferior. There u go again. Then what is your definition of Christian? Must every Christian be like u or MC2, who said once somewhere that he has given up searching long ago & he doesnt belong to any group. So what makes both of u?You did say this: "perhaps u arent reading the bible but just dissecting our english or intelligence?"
I quoted some verses once to you, in another forum.
I don't believe the Bible is to be misused in this way - to push personal emotions and personal inclinations. If we (Christians) are going to debate on theology, I will quote the Bible. We are not talking about theology here. To misquote or misuse the Bible is tantamount to using the Lord's name in vain. I am too afraid to do that. This happens to be my personal stand on the use of Scripture. I do not impose this view on you or other Christians.
I where got attack your sins? Motives? let's just say that I don't believe that in your current state of mind, you are capable of running an objective forum, but this is just my opinion. No malice, no ill-intent.
Where did i misquote or misuse the bible here? You have to give a point by point rebuttal of my verses & explain to me what they mean. Also, there're many branches of theology but i am not talking abt theology here. I am not trying to prove got God or not bcos theology means study of God. I am into eschatology w/c is the study of last things or last days. So i think u miss it.
How to be objective when ppl call me dumb already in this thread's title? What happens if i call u dumb also? Wont u react also? I am sorry it's very unchristian to react but i have my own limits. Pls forgive me for flaring out.I believe it can be done. I believe that boundaries can be drawn. Otherwise, if the discretion lies with the mod, then we can all accuse the mod (not necessarily you) as being bias. No different from the out-of-bounds marker in parliament, or even the out-of-bounds markers in the Toastmaster's Club. But since it is your forum, it's your decision. All I am saying is - if you leave it as undefined - and not even attempting to define - you have too many grey areas. Take this as a gentle comment.
I am sorry i dont wish to draw boundaries. If i draw boundaries, i might sound too dogmatic or iron fisted or dictatorial. I will rather have conscensus as to what the boundary should be & i will make the final decision. i am not your father u know. I cant say u must return home by 2359. I will rather let ppl come to a consensus. The only boundary is to stick to end time issues whether Christian or not. Thanks for your comments. Anyway boundaries can always be redrawn. I am not God or saddam hussein or hitler.
Ok. I will keep in mind. But there's bound to be conflicts with public no matter what. Ok sorry for that. I wasnt trying to be derogatory. If i sounded like i was, i am sorry for that.
Yes, of course you can. At the end of the day, and like it or not, it's our credibility at stake. You may not care about it, but I am sure God is concern as to how we show ourselves in public.
How we are viewed is largely dependent on what and how we write. If, I use the word [b]if, you feel that you have a low standard, for example how then can you moderate such a forum - which in reality is a lot more topical than EH.
OK. The p-issed thing...
Look, you seem to like to mix and match totally unconnected words or events.
I was not angry with you when all this started. I got p-issed when you start to make, to me, derogatory remarks about me. There is a time difference here, again.[/b]