Delivery in Australia
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Hi, We will be migrating to Australia on immigrant visas after a few months. My wife is expecting and we plan to have delivery in Australia (Sydney or Melbourne). Can somebody advise if delivery charges are covered by medicare ? Is it easy to get admission in hospital for delivery or is there a long waiting list ? pls advise. thanks
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for a moment when i saw the delievery i thought like.. fast food delivery or smth hmm. i ask around for you
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by sea or by air?
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Originally posted by sillypore:
Hi,
We will be migrating to Australia on immigrant visas after a few months. My wife is expecting and we plan to have delivery in Australia (Sydney or Melbourne).
Can somebody advise if delivery charges are covered by medicare ? Is it easy to get admission in hospital for delivery or is there a long waiting list ?
pls advise.
thanksI strongly suggest u enjoy the last benefits in SG before u go.
I dunt know if u want to listen the hard facts. dunt treat it is an offence.
This is jus a kind reminder and i think your baby deserve the best delivery services
in the world,yes in the world.No less.
u may not feel happy.But u two shall have a choice.
Do u know the rate in Oz is 100% higher than SG,which is the lowest in the WORLD(ie safest delivery in tthe world)?
Rank Order - Infant mortality rate
222Singapore 2.30 2008 est. 196Australia 4.82 2008 est. Infant mortality rate:
total: 4.82 deaths/1,000 live births --oz
male: 5.15 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.47 deaths/1,000 live births (2008 est.)https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
I strongly suggest u enjoy the last benefits in SG before u go.
I dunt know if u want to listen the hard facts. dunt treat it is an offence.
This is jus a kind reminder and i think your baby deserve the best delivery services
in the world,yes in the world.No less.
u may not feel happy.But u two shall have a choice.
Do u know the rate in Oz is 100% higher than SG,which is the lowest in the WORLD(ie safest delivery in tthe world)?
Rank Order - Infant mortality rate
222Singapore 2.30 2008 est.
196Australia 4.82 2008 est.
Infant mortality rate:
total: 4.82 deaths/1,000 live births --oz
male: 5.15 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.47 deaths/1,000 live births (2008 est.)https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
The reason why Australia has such a high infant mortality rate is due to the following factors :
- The Aboriginal population, which may not seek proper, legitimate healthcare services until it's too late, if at all;
- Out in the rural areas, hospitals have had their Midwifery units downsized to handle only uncomplicated births. Only the city hospitals receive the funding and expertise to cope with complicated deliveries. At times, complicated deliveries end up being transported via ambulance or air ambulance to the city hospitals and if delivery occurs in transit, it becomes challenging; and
- Pregnant ladies who are drug addicts or alcoholics who continue to abuse alcohol and drugs late into their pregnancies tend to suffer from a higher infant mortality rate compared to babies with 'clean' mothers.
If you understand the background behind the statistics, you'll realise that if you are not a drug addict / smoker / alcoholic pregnant lady, and you are residing in an urban area, and your pregnancy has not had any adverse issues, then you shouldn't face any infant mortality risks.
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Originally posted by Rhonda:
The reason why Australia has such a high infant mortality rate is due to the following factors :
- The Aboriginal population, which may not seek proper, legitimate healthcare services until it's too late, if at all;
- Out in the rural areas, hospitals have had their Midwifery units downsized to handle only uncomplicated births. Only the city hospitals receive the funding and expertise to cope with complicated deliveries. At times, complicated deliveries end up being transported via ambulance or air ambulance to the city hospitals and if delivery occurs in transit, it becomes challenging; and
- Pregnant ladies who are drug addicts or alcoholics who continue to abuse alcohol and drugs late into their pregnancies tend to suffer from a higher infant mortality rate compared to babies with 'clean' mothers.
If you understand the background behind the statistics, you'll realise that if you are not a drug addict / smoker / alcoholic pregnant lady, and you are residing in an urban area, and your pregnancy has not had any adverse issues, then you shouldn't face any infant mortality risks.
responses
1.''The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population of Australia was estimated to be 517,200 at 30 June 2006, or 2.5% of the total Australian population.''
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Originally posted by sillypore:
Hi,
We will be migrating to Australia on immigrant visas after a few months. My wife is expecting and we plan to have delivery in Australia (Sydney or Melbourne).
Can somebody advise if delivery charges are covered by medicare ? Is it easy to get admission in hospital for delivery or is there a long waiting list ?
pls advise.
thanksI think if you are not a Permanent Resident, and you do not have private insurance taken out here (I'm from Melbourne), you'll have to foot the bill. You won't have any medicare unless you are at least a Permanent Resident or you are from one of the countries that Australia has some sort of arrangement with with regards to pension and Medicare (eg. UK, New Zealand).
Bear in mind that costs here can be astronomical if you are a non-PR and non-citizen. Public hospitals are always short of beds (and sometimes staff, in which case, they will have empty beds that they cannot use because it is forbidden to release the beds until they have sufficient staffing to meet the legal patient : nurse ratio) but you can always head to private hospitals but there is, of course, a difference in costs.
If cost is not an issue, there are Midwifery units that tie up with neighbouring hotels whereby after birth, midwives and/or nurses are sent to check on mother and baby regularly in the hotels they are staying in. This gives mother, baby and the entire family privacy, and it does not feel like a hospital stay, which improves everyone's mood.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
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1.''The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population of Australia was estimated to be 517,200 at 30 June 2006, or 2.5% of the total Australian population.''
You don't even live here, and you don't even work in the health sector, and all you do is go around spouting statistics here and there. I am not interested in digging out statistics to prove anything to you. I was just interested in giving an alternative perspective as to why the statistics may be what they are.
So what if they are just 2.5% of the population? Did it occur to you that if ONE aboriginal woman gets pregnant six times in her life, four of which are stillbirths, that will contribute to the high percentage of infant mortality? Population and demographics do not tell you anything in this case. You can only read so much into statistics.
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Out in the rural areas, hospitals have had their Midwifery units downsized to handle only uncomplicated births. Only the city hospitals receive the funding and expertise to cope with complicated deliveries. At times, complicated deliveries end up being transported via ambulance or air ambulance to the city hospitals and if delivery occurs in transit, it becomes challenging; and
- Pregnant ladies who are drug addicts or alcoholics who continue to abuse alcohol and drugs late into their pregnancies tend to suffer from a higher infant mortality rate compared to babies with 'clean' mothers.
How many pregnancy are considered in rural areas?
How many pregnant ladies are drug addicts and/or alcoholics?
Dunt assume.There are many news of hospitals in major cities.
Of course,bad news lah.go to serach for yourself.
Have u read Oz news daily?I do .I read many main stream medias.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/
http://au.yahoo.com/
http://www.news.com.au/
http://www.smh.com.au/
HQCC to investigate Bundaberg hospital allegations
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u will know why oz rate is 100% more than SG!!
Australian Medical Association
read dow oz doctors assess their hospitals
AMA Public Hospital Report Card 2008 | Australian Medical Association
AMA: Public Hospitals Flat Lining,
AMA Public Hospital Report Card 2008
12 November 2008 - 9:00am
Public Hospitals FlatliningAMA President, Dr Rosanna Capolingua, said the public hospital system was 'flat lining' and the COAG meeting next week may be its last hope for resuscitation.
"Our hospital report card confirms an urgent need for the federal government to properly fund our hospitals into the future so that lives are not at risk. We know that there are 1,500 unnecessary deaths in Australia due to overcrowding in public hospitals," Dr Capolingua said.
"The Rudd Government has acknowledged shortfalls in public health and confirmed its intention to 'deliver dramatic improvements in health care'. Well the commitment is welcome, but COAG is crunch time.
"Hospital bed capacity has been slashed by 67 percent in the past 20 years, and the impact of these cuts is biting deeply across the system.
"Emergency departments are over full. Corridors are lined with patients on trolleys because beds are simply not available - one report showed three in four patients in emergency departments who needed to be admitted waited more than eight hours.
"Of patients needing urgent treatment one third had to wait more than half an hour. This is simply unacceptable.
"More than 10 million people rely on the public hospital system. Today these Australians are being let down - not by the amazingly dedicated staff in our hospitals, but by an ongoing refusal to properly support them. As we know the number of Australians needing public hospitals is liable to go up."
Dr Capolingua said public hospitals are blessed with some of the most dedicated and professional staff in the country.
"The doctors work hard, doing their best for patients, but their dedication is taken for granted. Productivity increases are rewarded with funding cuts.
"Nation wide the shortfall is 3750 public hospital beds. This demands an immediate $3 billion injection - an injection which will return the federal contribution to a 50/50 funding split with the states.
"This upcoming COAG meeting provides an historic opportunity to set this right, to provide the funding that is desperately needed and to recommit to the ideal that made Australia's health system the best in the world. There can be no higher priority for government.
"Doctors and their patients around the country are looking to the Rudd government to deliver on health. We need more beds, not more words, and we need them now."
Click here for a copy of The AMA Public Hospital Report Card.
CONTACT: Kirk Coningham 0417 142 467
12 November 200812 November 2008 - 9:00am
The AMA has now released its 2008 public hospital report card in respect of the 2006-07 financial year. This is the second AMA public hospital report card. The last one was issued in October 2007. The report card is based on publicly released information on the performance of public hospitals through the Federal Government's state of our public hospitals report June 2008 and the AIHW's Australian Hospital Statistics 2006-07.
The major issue again this year has been the decline in the Federal Government's share of public hospital funding and the need to establish a proper base level of funding given that 5 yearly renewal of funding is to be ceased. This shortfall in funding is leading to a shortage of beds which is in turn impacting on the ability of public hospitals to meet key performance measures in relation to access to Emergency Department treatments and acute care admissions.
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It's like teaching pigs to fly.
Futile.
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Its also cheaper to give birth in Singapore.
SG$5-10k (depending on how you guys are using the $$$) compare to a straight A$20k basic outright.
If its unavoidable that the child has to be delivered in Oz, then try shopping for a hospital near your intended place of stay now.
Its not recommended for a heavily pregnant woman to fly, either to or fro Singapore. And it depends on your family support.
Like for examples, grandparents helping out or not, place to stay in sg or Oz.....people to help out on housework, cooking and stuffs.
It wont be easy acquiring domestic help in Oz, plus the differences in culture might not be suitable for a new mother.
Will this be your first baby? Have you guys considered post natal depression? If not, where do you think your wife might be more comfortable?
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Its also cheaper to give birth in Singapore.
SG$5-10k (depending on how you guys are using the $$$) compare to a straight A$20k basic outright.
If its unavoidable that the child has to be delivered in Oz, then try shopping for a hospital near your intended place of stay now.
Its not recommended for a heavily pregnant woman to fly, either to or fro Singapore. And it depends on your family support.
Like for examples, grandparents helping out or not, place to stay in sg or Oz.....people to help out on housework, cooking and stuffs.
It wont be easy acquiring domestic help in Oz, plus the differences in culture might not be suitable for a new mother.
Will this be your first baby? Have you guys considered post natal depression? If not, where do you think your wife might be more comfortable?
VK, you gave really good, practical points.
It will definitely be cheaper to give birth in Singapore, and the standard of care you get in Singapore is very good too.
Consider your options carefully.
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Oh goodness... someone's extremely fanatical about cutting and pasting.
And the issue is, I've always thought Singapore's health care system is superior to Australia's. I am not defending the system here or boasting about the system here because I know first-hand what's good, what's not.
The main issue here is, to help provide sillypore with some information.
The sheer insolence... as if he's the only one who reads news.
I bloody live here, watch the news and current affairs programs here, watch CNN, read Time Magazine, Discovery Magazine, BBC Focus Magazine, and sometimes American science and psychology mags, and he dares to challenge and imply that he knows more about news from MY area of the world?! Tsk tsk... one of those textbook-hugging nerds with no practical applications... -
Originally posted by Rhonda:
VK, you gave really good, practical points.
It will definitely be cheaper to give birth in Singapore, and the standard of care you get in Singapore is very good too.
Consider your options carefully.
Ok lah.TS did suggest that he and wifey plans to give birth in either Sydney or Melbourne. So my advice may be for naught.
If they still chooses Australia to do the deed. Then they at least have to be prepared for more then A$50k for emergencies.
Even in sg. 50k is like just 1/100 of bringing up a child.
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Originally posted by Rhonda:
Oh goodness... someone's extremely fanatical about cutting and pasting.
And the issue is, I've always thought Singapore's health care system is superior to Australia's. I am not defending the system here or boasting about the system here because I know first-hand what's good, what's not.
The main issue here is, to help provide sillypore with some information.
The sheer insolence... as if he's the only one who reads news.
I bloody live here, watch the news and current affairs programs here, watch CNN, read Time Magazine, Discovery Magazine, BBC Focus Magazine, and sometimes American science and psychology mags, and he dares to challenge and imply that he knows more about news from MY area of the world?! Tsk tsk... one of those textbook-hugging nerds with no practical applications... He is all out to kick Australians in the groin when they are on their knees. He has some kind of vendetta with Australia, nothing other than total annihilation of Australia will quell his rage. God only knows.
Best part is, he doesn't even live in Australia.
Don't waste your time, you are better off looking at your fishes.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Ok lah.TS did suggest that he and wifey plans to give birth in either Sydney or Melbourne. So my advice may be for naught.
If they still chooses Australia to do the deed. Then they at least have to be prepared for more then A$50k for emergencies.
Even in sg. 50k is like just 1/100 of bringing up a child.
It is very expensive. My jaw almost dropped when I learnt that a basic ambulance trip will set you back by AUD 2000-2500, and that is without any oxygen therapy and insertion of IV cannulas and drips!
And if it's a long trip and you need medical treatment on the way, the amount will give you a heart attack! 
I know if the Air Ambulance is involved, AUD 15,000 is not uncommon for just the ambulance bill alone.That is why most of us take out Ambulance insurance. sillypore, whilst in Australia, do take it up quickly. It's only AUD 60.00 for singles and I think families have special package rates. After you have that Ambulance insurance, any ambulance services you need will be fully covered.
I can give you more specific information if you're coming over to Melbourne.
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Originally posted by Rhonda:
I think if you are not a Permanent Resident, and you do not have private insurance taken out here (I'm from Melbourne), you'll have to foot the bill. You won't have any medicare unless you are at least a Permanent Resident or you are from one of the countries that Australia has some sort of arrangement with with regards to pension and Medicare (eg. UK, New Zealand).
Bear in mind that costs here can be astronomical if you are a non-PR and non-citizen. Public hospitals are always short of beds (and sometimes staff, in which case, they will have empty beds that they cannot use because it is forbidden to release the beds until they have sufficient staffing to meet the legal patient : nurse ratio) but you can always head to private hospitals but there is, of course, a difference in costs.
If cost is not an issue, there are Midwifery units that tie up with neighbouring hotels whereby after birth, midwives and/or nurses are sent to check on mother and baby regularly in the hotels they are staying in. This gives mother, baby and the entire family privacy, and it does not feel like a hospital stay, which improves everyone's mood.
You don't even live here, and you don't even work in the health sector, and all you do is go around spouting statistics here and there. I am not interested in digging out statistics to prove anything to you. I was just interested in giving an alternative perspective as to why the statistics may be what they are.
So what if they are just 2.5% of the population? Did it occur to you that if ONE aboriginal woman gets pregnant six times in her life, four of which are stillbirths, that will contribute to the high percentage of infant mortality? Population and demographics do not tell you anything in this case. You can only read so much into statistics.
wat are u talking about.
We are talking about why Australia Infant mortality rate is 100 % HIGHER than SG.
u tell me the reasons of Aborginal(2.5% of population ),drugs addicts etc
I ask u how many drugs addicts an/or alcoholics in pregnant ladies.
U did not tell me.So how?
The only explanation is oz health sys need much room for improvements.
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Oz get abt 21 million population.
Majority of them stay in major cities.
Sydney 4.3 million ,2000 sq km
Melbourne 3.8 m,1600 km sq
Canberra 340,000,1000 km sq
Brisbane 1.8 m,900 lm sq
Perth 1.5 m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_population
There are 13.7 million stay in cities of popultaion 300,000 and above.
I think this group of people shall get medical services not worse than SG.
But why Australia Infant mortality rate is 100 % HIGHER
than SG at 4.8 v 2.3 per 1,000 live births?
Can u blame all deaths in distances of homes to hospitals?
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I tell u go to read the stand of oz hospitals.
now tell me the standard in public as well as private hospitals.
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FYI, SG public hospitals' secrets is here.
let me share with u why SG is lowest in the world.
All the ''public hospitals in SG'' is legally private owned,tranferred by SG
gavaman but still under support and controlled by gavamna.
This non--civil servants structures make the operation very flexible!!
For your eyes only-----for babies' sake,a team is on stand by 24/7
for any abnormal delivery case.They can reach the delivery mum bed
side in not more than 10 mins.as fast as RSAF pilot to fly the plane into the sky.
They learn from many sad lessons that docs and nurses could not
attend complicated cases on time and lost the babies.Therefore,
they forms a system to assembly all specialists to attend
to complicated and urgent delivery cases.I forget the names of complication.
i remember the mortality rate of the complication drop at least half.
There is no secret to provide a better services.Just change of mind set.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
He is all out to kick Australians in the groin when they are on their knees. He has some kind of vendetta with Australia, nothing other than total annihilation of Australia will quell his rage. God only knows.
Best part is, he doesn't even live in Australia.
Don't waste your time, you are better off looking at your fishes.
Orh... I go look at my fishies... which, btw, just to rub it in, are all Australian citizens!
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Originally posted by Rhonda:
Orh... I go look at my fishies... which, btw, just to rub it in, are all Australian citizens!
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dunt blame all on remoteness---13,700,000 out of 21,000,000 stay in big cities.
how can u explain the 100% higher in
Infant mortality rate:
than Singapore?1 Sydney, New South Wales 3,641,422 [1] 2 Melbourne, Victoria 3,371,888 [2] 3 Brisbane, Queensland 1,676,389 [3] 4 Perth, Western Australia 1,256,035 [4] 5 Adelaide, South Australia 1,040,719 [5] 6 Gold Coast-Tweed Heads, Queensland/New South Wales 454,436 [6] 7 Canberra-Queanbeyan, Australian Capital Territory/New South Wales 356,120 [8] 8 Newcastle, New South Wales 288,732 [10] Newcastle 9 Central Coast, New South Wales 282,726 [11] Sydney -
Rhon does stand at the hospital.
Asking her to give you statistics is like telling any nurse to provide you a list of mad men residing in Singapore.
Since you are so helpful with stats. How about changing your mind set to research and post links on how many drug addicts are there in Oz?
How many is female of children bearing age? And how many among their races are bearing children..
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
for a moment when i saw the delievery i thought like.. fast food delivery or smth hmm. i ask around for you
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
dunt blame all on remoteness---13,700,000 out of 21,000,000 stay in big cities.
how can u explain the 100% higher in
Infant mortality rate:
than Singapore?1 Sydney, New South Wales 3,641,422 [1]
2 Melbourne, Victoria 3,371,888 [2]
3 Brisbane, Queensland 1,676,389 [3]
4 Perth, Western Australia 1,256,035 [4]
5 Adelaide, South Australia 1,040,719 [5]
6 Gold Coast-Tweed Heads, Queensland/New South Wales 454,436 [6]
7 Canberra-Queanbeyan, Australian Capital Territory/New South Wales 356,120 [8]
8 Newcastle, New South Wales 288,732 [10] Newcastle 9 Central Coast, New South Wales 282,726 [11] SydneyDo you have any idea how big that land is, and how far apart are people residing at least at the suburbs? Or how far they need to drive to get to a nearest hospital?
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Rhon does stand at the hospital.
Asking her to give you statistics is like telling any nurse to provide you a list of mad men residing in Singapore.
Since you are so helpful with stats. How about changing your mind set to research and post links on how many drug addicts are there in Oz?
How many is female of children bearing age? And how many among their races are bearing children..
I didn't even bother looking at the loooooong posts.
Statistics is such that you have to be very careful when analyzing and interpreting them. Basically, to give a short example,
10 pregnant women give birth. 8 healthy babies are born, 3 babies didn't survive.
Is the healthcare system to be blamed for the 3 deaths? Depends on the situation!
1 baby died because her mom is a drug and alcoholic abuser. Hospital's fault? No.
1 baby died because it was stillborn. Hospital's fault? Maybe. Need more info.
1 baby died because of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) within its first week of life. Hospital's fault? Depends on whether baby had already been discharged or still under the hospital's care.
But you don't see the scenarios! What's reported is only "30% infant mortality rate" in this sample group.
This is a very simple example of how you cannot just take statistics at face value without doing a more intense study on the sample group, the norms, and all the other statistical and empirical data typically required.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Rhon does stand at the hospital.
Asking her to give you statistics is like telling any nurse to provide you a list of mad men residing in Singapore.
Since you are so helpful with stats. How about changing your mind set to research and post links on how many drug addicts are there in Oz?
How many is female of children bearing age? And how many among their races are bearing children..
SG drugs addicts and prisions mates are dropping!!
Dunt change topics.