Discovery of subatomic particles

• sinweiy

  15 Jul 12, 15:24

  indeed!

  http://www.txt7.com.cn/2010-06-19/111263902.html

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• bycai

  5 Aug 12, 18:45

  Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:

  The discovery proves that there's no creator which tallies with  Buddha's teachings.

  

  In the Shurangama Sutra, it is answered by Buddha on query of Ananda regarding the Goddame particle. Both Ananda and Buddha ought to be awarded with Noble Peace prize, as they are the science of the science, the ultimate scientist.

  大佛顶首楞严ç»� -  Buddha answered Ananda whether Goddame Particle is
  the truth basis.
  
  阿难。如水�冰，冰还�水。�观地，粗为大地，细为微尘。至邻虚尘 (in
  science as Higgs Boson or subatomic particle or elementary particle)，�
  彼�微色边际相，七分所�。更�邻虚，�实空性。
  阿难。若此邻虚，��虚空，当知虚空，出生色相。�今问言，由和�故，出生世
  间诸�化相。Buddha answered Ananda whether Goddame Particle is the
  truth basis.
  �且观此一邻虚尘，用几虚空，和�而有(how many spaces are combined to
  form a subatomic particle)。�应邻虚，��邻虚 [since this subatomic
  particle cannot be further divided, it cannot be stated as subatomic
  particle]。�邻虚尘，�入空者，用几色相，��虚空 (and then, how many
  subatomic particles are combined together to form space)。若色�时，�色
  �空 (if forms are united, it unity will not arise Space)。若空�时，�空�色
  (if Spaces are being united, the unity of Spaces, will not arise form either)。
  色犹��，空云何�。�元�知如��中，性色真空，性空真色，清净本然，周�
  法界。�众生心，应所知�，循业�现。世间无知，惑为因缘，�自然性皆是识心
  ，分别计度。但有言说。都无实义。

• zero thought

  5 Aug 12, 20:54

  Was just about to quote the Shurangama! :)

  Anyway, the english translation to bycai's chinese version can be found here.
  http://www.cttbusa.org/shurangama3/shurangama3_22.asp

• sinweiy

  6 Aug 12, 14:46

  from what i read,

  The Higgs boson or Higgs particle is a proposed elementary particle in the Standard Model of particle physics.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

  In particle physics, an elementary particle or fundamental particle is a particle not known to have substructure,^[1] thus it is not known to be made up of smaller particles.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle

   

  In Buddhism's the smallest particle known as 邻虚尘(neighbor of space) or æž�微之微, is not to be divided any more.

   

  What is the smallest particle of matter known?

  So far it looks like there is nothing smaller inside an atom than quarks. Our experiments look for evidence that quarks have some sort of shape or structure. If they do have a shape or structure rather than just being a point (which by itself is a very difficult concept to understand), then there might be some sub-quark constituents. At present there is little or no evidence of any structure to the quark. Maybe there is though! That might be something for you, the next generation, to look for and try to figure out!

  http://education.jlab.org/qa/quark_01.html

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• Johnlane2003

  7 Aug 12, 07:59

  What we perceive to be solid is in fact 99% empty space (physicists have known since the Rutherford model was published in 1911 that most of the volume of the atom is empty space). What we perceive to be empty space is crammed full of sub-atomic particles (the Higg’s boson recently discovered by CERN in Switzerland) As the Heart Sutra written two thousand years ago succinctly states “Form is Emptiness, Emptiness is form.� Often expressed as “Matter is emptiness, emptiness is matter�.
• sinweiy

  7 Aug 12, 09:06

  Buddha already thought of sub-atomic particles 2500+years ago.

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• bycai

  7 Aug 12, 09:10

  For scientist and secularism, Heart Sutra is religion as there is no noble prize award  Very normal lah.

  subatomic particle as matter, in its smallest beyond naked eyes still could be recognizable through equipment. But subatomic of mind of the past could not be recognizable through equipment. And they have spent alot of money that has already been recognized, but without it, they may deem useless and gone senile . Same goes to practitioner that if you attained bodhi like Buddha, you will mention Alas! so it just like that arr 得來全ä¸�費功夫! Prior to that, we are just the same like this scientist researching it. Nonethless, Heart sutra advices is dont look backward as every eruption of mind has no basis and be nullified and in emptiness.