Realizing Genjo Koan – Shohaku Okumura
Labels: Anatta, Dependent Origination, Shohaku Okumura, Zen, Zen Master Dogen 0 comments |
Forgot to mention... the above is a very good description of the Maha insight and experience.
Had an interesting meeting with Thusness a couple of days ago, and he brought up a point which accords with my own understanding and experience as well.
There are two insights and experiences pertaining to anatta, dependent origination and emptiness - the Maha experience (integrating anatta with dependent origination) described above, which Zen and Zen Master Dogen emphasizes, and the 'dependently originated is empty of a locatable core and thus illusory, dream-like' which Mahamudra and Dzogchen emphasizes.
We should integrate these two insights, then we will understand these two traditions. A pure Zennist may not understand Mahamudra, and Mahamudra person may not understand a Zennist because their emphasis and practice is different. Thusness also emphasized to me not to confuse these two distinct realization and experience, don’t mix them up. It is important to have clarity about them. He said he had the Maha sort of experience for about a decade, but the ‘empty, illusory and thus self-liberating’ nature only becameclear to him after he started reading Mahamudra texts in 2008. However it should be understood that it does not mean one insight is less valuable than another, therefore we should integrate them.
In two SMSes I wrote to Thusness:
“I am at the KMSPKS library. Their library is very big, all kinds of dharma books, awesome place. I meditated there also, haha. I realized even the thought to remove defilements is delusional since defilements are also empty. The mere recognition of appearance-emptiness liberates all trace of clinging.”
“I used to sit meditation with a goal and direction. Now, sitting itself is enlightenment. Sitting is just sitting. Sitting is just the activity of sitting, air con humming, breathing. Walking itself is enlightenment. Practice is not done for enlightenment but all activity is itself the perfect expression of enlightenment/buddha-nature. There is nowhere to go. Defilements can arise due to latent tendencies but without a slightest delusion of a true existent whatsoever, there is no clinging at anything. So, there is no trace.”
Thusness replied, “This is Dogen’s state and the essence of Zen, but it is different from what you previously SMS-ed me. They are of different insights.”
Thusness says he is going to write an article about this to clarify... look forward to it :)
I am looking forward to it too! Are there any other articles on Maha?
Thich Nhat Hanh and Zen Master Dogen (and the Masters following Dogen) emphasize a lot about Maha.