Originally posted by gorgorlokaychyong:Not as a wet blanket but rather to kill my curiosity. Why sometimes it does not work? Got someone kena bully by the spirit chant amitofo, spirit not afraid, why?
Think of it this way..... if you don't like Peter or Mary and chant 'Namo Amituofo', will Peter or Mary disappear? Ghosts aren't any different in that they are beings just like us. They are mostly not harmful and they too like to listen to mantra chanting and even Dharma talks. If they leave due to any chanting on our parts, it's probably because they have left of their own accord, or have moved on to higher realms. If we do encounter such ghosts, it's best to dedicate merits to them so that they may be reborn in higher realms.
Originally posted by realization:Think of it this way..... if you don't like Peter or Mary and chant 'Namo Amituofo', will Peter or Mary disappear? Ghosts aren't any different in that they are beings just like us. They are mostly not harmful and they too like to listen to mantra chanting and even Dharma talks. If they leave due to any chanting on our parts, it's probably because they have left of their own accord, or have moved on to higher realms. If we do encounter such ghosts, it's best to dedicate merits to them so that they may be reborn in higher realms.
I absolutely disagree with you on the don't like part. Look here, it is only natural that generally human beings not including buddhists in this because they have their own belief on ghosts, don't like ghosts. So be realistic, don't expect all people to be like buddhists to do as you expect. You sound as if you are perfect.
Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:Lavender Wu , if you can attend enough Tibetan fire puja, esp the true lineaged one or a famous rebirth rinpoche 's fire puja, you might solve your problem.
Vajrayana Fire Puja is very effective for wishes.
For the benefit of Lavender and those who want to know more about what you mentioned, would you mind to tell us more about them?
Originally posted by Rooney9:learn metta sutra. this will solve your problem.
learn as in simply reciting ???
If simply reciting to me, is simply words only...
I believe not only must learn the correct meaning, the correct motivation, the correct visualisation etc.....
Originally posted by Rooney9:black magic, white magic, magic johnson, whatever.
use metta, its the best protection one can get. practise your 5 precepts without breaking any, the dhamma protectors will protect you.
Talking about black magic...I bought myself a pearl from tibet, it has their own shape and not mass production type. it ws craved out from tibet temple (thousand year pearl). I wore it everyday, to work, to shopping to overseas.
Plse dont laugh at me for being stuipd and silly and gone case type of people. I tell you when I wore the pear, especially when working, I can feel that when I got problems or some one wanted to bacnk stab me, I just unknowingly or rather some kind of force told me be careful.
Once a while, I will put my pearl in the bowl and cycle it to cleanese it.
Of course I also listen to chanting too.
All I want is my family good health, my working without colleauges sabo me.
Originally posted by gorgorlokaychyong:I absolutely disagree with you on the don't like part. Look here, it is only natural that generally human beings not including buddhists in this because they have their own belief on ghosts, don't like ghosts. So be realistic, don't expect all people to be like buddhists to do as you expect. You sound as if you are perfect.
Only saying that ghosts too are beings, and they won't disappear just because one chants something to "chase" them off. They have to be willing to leave. That's why they leave in some situations, and don't in others. TS is now caught in this situation and it's obviously distressing her greatly. Hope she can get some reprieve from this soon by following the methods recommended by several.
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Originally posted by likeyou:Talking about black magic...I bought myself a pearl from tibet, it has their own shape and not mass production type. it ws craved out from tibet temple (thousand year pearl). I wore it everyday, to work, to shopping to overseas.
Plse dont laugh at me for being stuipd and silly and gone case type of people. I tell you when I wore the pear, especially when working, I can feel that when I got problems or some one wanted to bacnk stab me, I just unknowingly or rather some kind of force told me be careful.
Once a while, I will put my pearl in the bowl and cycle it to cleanese it.
Of course I also listen to chanting too.
All I want is my family good health, my working without colleauges sabo me.
can post a picture of this pearl?
Wonder whether ts can buy a pearl like I have to wear it everyday so that they wont come and distrub her?
Originally posted by gorgorlokaychyong:Not as a wet blanket but rather to kill my curiosity. Why sometimes it does not work? Got someone kena bully by the spirit chant amitofo, spirit not afraid, why?
i personally imho think got 2 main factors. first is the effectiveness of the chant be it sincerity, calmness, meditative state and virtue of the person. second is the strength of the harmful ghosts be it got strong revenge toward the person, and/or how malicious is it toward the person. like why it only target that particular person and not others. whether got past issues that lead to it..
i heard, to a daoist who draw 符纸, the calmer, focus the mind while drawing, the more effective the 符纸. same goes with mantraå’’è¯. as ä¿—è¯�说“诚则ç�µ”.
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Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:reborn 76 you are chanting the one and only chant of Soka Japan sect. Are you with the Tampines Soka temple or the one in pasir panjang ?
I am with neither. I am with Nichiren Shu http://nichiren-shu.org/. Although we chant the same sutra and Namu Myoho Renge Kyo however we do not believe that Nichiren is a Buddha which Soka and Nichiren Shoshu proclaimed. We believe Nichiren is a Bodhisattva.
when you chant, your forehead will transmit a light isnt it. any truth in this?
诚则�. can imagine it in this perspective. for example, like if u want to apologise to a person. how sincere are u? what are u willing to do, so that the person can forgive u and let u go.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:sure, i do it too.
Ok thanks SinWeiy...I now feel relaxed..Thanks.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
i personally imho think got 2 main factors. first is the effectiveness of the chant be it sincerity, calmness, meditative state and virtue of the person. second is the strength of the harmful ghosts be it got strong revenge toward the person, and/or how malicious is it toward the person. like why it only target that particular person and not others. whether got past issues that lead to it..i heard, to a daoist who draw 符纸, the calmer, focus the mind while drawing, the more effective the 符纸. same goes with mantraå’’è¯. as ä¿—è¯�说“诚则ç�µ”.
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I guess this is why they say such matters must be done by the Sangha. Laypeople normally haven't cultivated enough calm and virtue...
Dawn1stlight has ever related a real-life case wherein a woman was being harrassed by her past-life debtor. Whenever she chanted, the ghost would stay away for a little while, but the moment she stopped chanting, the ghost would be back. The past-life debtor simply didn't want to leave due to very strong hatred. She was living a very hellish life, and it got so bad she was unable to leave the house to so much as get help from a temple. It seems as if in her case, the more flustered she got, the worst it got.
Originally posted by realization:I guess this is why they say such matters must be done by the Sangha. Laypeople normally haven't cultivated enough calm and virtue...
Dawn1stlight has ever related a real-life case wherein a woman was being harrassed by her past-life debtor. Whenever she chanted, the ghost would stay away for a little while, but the moment she stopped chanting, the ghost would be back. The past-life debtor simply didn't want to leave due to very strong hatred. She was living a very hellish life, and it got so bad she was unable to leave the house to so much as get help from a temple. It seems as if in her case, the more flustered she got, the worst it got.
Should the lady reply her past debts to the ghosts? Engage a tanki and perform some rituals...
Originally posted by likeyou:
Should the lady reply her past debts to the ghosts? Engage a tanki and perform some rituals...
buddhism section ended up have tangki??? hahaha
Buddhism can also make repayment to past life debtor to help in these type of situation..
Originally posted by sinweiy:
i personally imho think got 2 main factors. first is the effectiveness of the chant be it sincerity, calmness, meditative state and virtue of the person. second is the strength of the harmful ghosts be it got strong revenge toward the person, and/or how malicious is it toward the person. like why it only target that particular person and not others. whether got past issues that lead to it..i heard, to a daoist who draw 符纸, the calmer, focus the mind while drawing, the more effective the 符纸. same goes with mantraå’’è¯. as ä¿—è¯�说“诚则ç�µ”.
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I see. It is kind of strange the spirit can be making its presence known in buddhist temple when the person is kneeling down praying to amituofo. It is puzzling.
Thanks for the insight. I never think the person drawing the talisman has effect on the receiving end.
Originally posted by "newbie":
buddhism section ended up have tangki??? hahaha
Buddhism can also make repayment to past life debtor to help in these type of situation..
Sorry buddy, if that offended you.
Sometime when people got such a horrible encounter, we will try ways to get rid of it.
I learn something new here. There are buddhists are different buddhism background.
Originally posted by gorgorlokaychyong:I learn something new here. There are buddhists are different buddhism background.
I am a buddhists but also a toaists.
Originally posted by likeyou:Sorry buddy, if that offended you.
Sometime when people got such a horrible encounter, we will try ways to get rid of it.
I kind of agree with you. Some problems can be so damaging and have the urgency to get it solved immediately.
I have heard about how the taoist mediums help people in need.
What I like about buddhism is their open mind, compassion and kindness.
Originally posted by likeyou:Sorry buddy, if that offended you.
Sometime when people got such a horrible encounter, we will try ways to get rid of it.
Dont be mistaken, I am not offended.
Originally posted by LavenderWu:Thank you Moderator AEN and Sinweiy for your advice and link.
To reborn : I once chanted to Gohonzon for 13years too, from young. That time the Soka Association was known as Nichiren Shoshu. My dad also chanted. But things never improve at home, family quarrel everyday and financial problem too. Hence my dad and me give up chanting. Now I am into Mahayana and Vajrayana.
Whatever practice one chose, it is depend on their 缘 and affinity. Beside, a lot of time people want quickfix to their problems. In fact, as Buddhist, we need to bear in mind that the problem arise due to our desires and karma.
I always tell my temple friend. Whether one is Buddhist or not, we will still face problem or obstacle somewhere in our lifetime. That's life. The critical thing is how we resolve the problem. We can seat there and blame fate, life, people even our religion. However, if we truly look at the problem, most of the time it arise due to our own desire.
Example, if a practitioner lose his job and has a financial issue, yet the person keep buying 4D thinking that by chanting Namu Myoho Renge Kyo 24x7, he will strike,instead of looking for a job to resolve the issue. If he does not strike according to his wish, he start to put the blame on his practice. However, the person fail to reflect if his actions and thoughts are proper according to Buddhist teaching.
To me Buddhist practice is mean to balance my thoughts. At the end of the day, 3 treasures are meant as a guide on this journey. We are the one who will resolve the problem that we met. However, we just need to pray for wisdom, guidance and synchronise our actions with it. This will hold true for whatever one practice one choose, Vajrayana, Mahayana or Thervada. The basic will always be the same everywhere. Alrite wish you well for your practise. Sometime, not all the problem one encounter is due to the spirit disturbance. If we focus too much on the spirit thingy, we become superstitious.
Lavendar, whatever is responded to you here serves as reference. You are the one who is facing the problem and you should be able to gauge how serious this is and if it is immediate need you have to solve this urgently.
You know best how the spirit behaves and so on and if this is a superstition and whatever. Do not let anyone impose whatever they have been preaching on you if you find it is not appropriate.