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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
No one will ask those questions if your views are not vast difference from what Buddha had taught. Besides your views are non Buddhist, you insisted that you are correct. That arouse my curiosity where you are from.
I would say my views are different from yours, not from the Buddha. Don't put words the way you like it. Which part of the Noble Truths did I have 'vast difference' from the Buddha's.
Don't let conjectures blind your faith. Every time I put up a statement, I take the trouble to go into the origin and no one had disputed those factual materials.
I am correct only when you are wrong. If you are with me, you won't see that. You start your position with a prejudice when you don't like a statement like "Buddhism began as a philosophy ...." you start to create aversion - the poison in you.
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Originally posted by realization:
It's obvious which direction you are steering this too. Soon, it will be poor me, poor 'I No Stupid', poor victim...
I have to hand it to you. You really are quite brainy. However, intellectual prowess gets you nowhere when treading the path of spirituality. You can choose to believe or disbelieve this, but just remember that you've been informed. (I'm not discussing this point with you on this thread or on any other thread. Feel free to think of me as immature or cowardly.)
And now, I'd like to get back to kneading my mala beads. I need more merit so that I may be able to constructively discuss useful Dharma information with others on the forum without having the discussions derailed by well-meaning but misguided people, who feel they have a better grip on what the Buddha did or didn't teach.
... because you know? I'm really a simple person. Before deep experiential realizations of my own, I choose to believe scripture first. Until such time I have my own insight, I may begin to separate the wheat from the chaff. With regards to figuring out who has insight and who is a fake, I go by whether those people can show me a clear map to my destination, and describe the destination. Also, I trust intuition. Yes... very far from the intellectual that you are.
//It's obvious which direction you are steering this too. Soon, it will be poor me, poor 'I No Stupid', poor victim...//
I am not sure what your ‘direction’ means but I can read between the lines – my direction is not your direction. Also, I don’t need sympathy or support. I don’t think it is poor me, this or that or I m a victim. I fought each and every one of you without fear or favour. Your lack of direction is indeed poverty.
//I have to hand it to you. You really are quite brainy. However, intellectual prowess gets you nowhere when treading the path of spirituality. You can choose to believe or disbelieve this, but just remember that you've been informed. (I'm not discussing this point with you on this thread or on any other thread. Feel free to think of me as immature or cowardly.)//
For one to be brainy, intellectual prowess is necessary. It is a delusion to think that you don’t need intellectual prowess to be spiritual. Do you know what spirituality is all about?
I choose to believe the correct teaching, not make-belief idealism of cult leaders with so-called undefined, incomprehensible, delusional ‘experiential realization’. It appears to me that nothing was realized. Just some abstract, pie-in-the-sky aspirations.
//And now, I'd like to get back to kneading my mala beads. I need more merit so that I may be able to constructively discuss useful Dharma information with others on the forum without having the discussions derailed by well-meaning but misguided people, who feel they have a better grip on what the Buddha did or didn't teach.//
You are not discussing dhamma at all so far. Just some dogmatic doctrines of cult leaders.
And you don’t gain any merit by kneading your mala beads. Better that you knead bread and give it to hungry African children. So, you have better grip of Buddha’s teaching? For what?
//... because you know? I'm really a simple person. Before deep experiential realizations of my own, I choose to believe scripture first. Until such time I have my own insight, I may begin to separate the wheat from the chaff. With regards to figuring out who has insight and who is a fake, I go by whether those people can show me a clear map to my destination, and describe the destination. Also, I trust intuition. Yes... very far from the intellectual that you are.//
I am sorry to learn that you have no clear map to your destination. This confirms my statement in first para “Your lack of direction is indeed poverty.” I am also sorry that despite your experiential realization you need ‘those’ people to describe your destination. Your intuition cannot be trusted. Trust the Noble Truths. In it, your destination is already figured out for you!
Hope you are able to separate the wheat from the chaff so that the bread you knead will be good enough to alleviate the sufferings of African children.
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hmmm
so instead of slamming everyone else's practice and understanding, why not share with us your own practice and realizations?
maybe a discourse on the Four Noble Truths for a start?
im all ears.
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Originally posted by geis:
hmmm
so instead of slamming everyone else's practice and understanding, why not share with us your own practice and realizations?
maybe a discourse on the Four Noble Truths for a start?
im all ears.
You have no idea of the Noble Truths?
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
You have no idea of the Noble Truths?
i'd like to learn from your understanding, care to share?
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Originally posted by geis:
i'd like to learn from your understanding, care to share?
You have not been following some of my posts in the thread on true religion and the statement I made about the beginning of Buddhism? I suggest you go thru that first, to get an idea. I am not convinced you have no idea of the basic core doctrine of Buddhism. Even if you are 'trying' to trap me on which 'school' I subscribed, note that the basic teaching is the same!
However, you may wish to use your own word 'slamming'. I prefer to say that I strongly disagree with some practices and intepretations of the dhamma by cultist groups or by their abstract and delusional 'experiential realization'.
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
You have not been following some of my posts in the thread on true religion and the statement I made about the beginning of Buddhism? I suggest you go thru that first, to get an idea. I am not convinced you have no idea of the basic core doctrine of Buddhism. Even if you are 'trying' to trap me on which 'school' I subscribed, note that the basic teaching is the same!
However, you may wish to use your own word 'slamming'. I prefer to say that I strongly disagree with some practices and intepretations of the dhamma by cultist groups or by their abstract and delusional 'experiential realization'.
ok, so do share with me your understanding on the Four Noble Truths?
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Originally posted by geis:
ok, so do share with me your understanding on the Four Noble Truths?
You have not read the postings in "The Only True Religion Debate".
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
You have not read the postings in "The Only True Religion Debate".
i follow every thread here.
for the benefit of myself and maybe many readers in this forum, kindly share with me your understanding on the Four Noble Truths.
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Originally posted by geis:
i follow every thread here.
for the benefit of myself and maybe many readers in this forum, kindly share with me your understanding on the Four Noble Truths.
hmmm ... I see ...
I would like to assert that you already knew the Noble Truths. Not only that you also understood this basic teaching (whichever school you subscribed). Are my assertions correct?
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
hmmm ... I see ...
I would like to assert that you already knew the Noble Truths. Not only that you also understood this basic teaching (whichever school you subscribed). Are my assertions correct?
Pls grant my request for the fifth time to share with me your understanding of the Four Noble Truths here.
thanks!
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Originally posted by geis:
Pls grant my request for the fifth time to share with me your understanding of the Four Noble Truths here.
thanks!
Please answer my question: Are my assertions correct?
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
Please answer my question: Are my assertions correct?
sixth time...
would you like to share with me your understanding of the Four Noble Truths here?
i made this request for many times, just a simple yes or no.
thanks!
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Originally posted by geis:
sixth time...
would you like to share with me your understanding of the Four Noble Truths here?
i made this request for many times, just a simple yes or no.
thanks!
You can go on making the request ..... just answer whether my assertions are true. It is a simple yes or no.
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
Trust the Noble Truths. In it, your destination is already figured out for you!
why are our destinations already figured out in the noble truths?
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Originally posted by knowing:
why are our destinations already figured out in the noble truths?
The 3rd NT
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
The 3rd NT
meaning?
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
You can go on making the request ..... just answer whether my assertions are true. It is a simple yes or no.
this is a forum for sharing.
everyone can have their own understanding from their practices, and it is most constructive if one who wants to learn to ask.
im not here to agree with or to confirm with anyone's assertion, and im not qualified to answer that simple yes or no.
but i would like to understand your understanding of the Four Noble Truths, not your intepretation of how the Buddha derive the Noble Truths.
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huh? tell me 3rdNT like that then finish already ar?
but what about 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th?
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i guess you don't know why our destinations are figured out in the noble truths then. i was waiting for your answer then noticed you were more interested in debating the existence of cookie monsters and hungry ghosts on some other thread. sigh................. if u weren't gonna answer, tell me so i can go to sleep lah!
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Originally posted by geis:
this is a forum for sharing.
everyone can have their own understanding from their practices, and it is most constructive if one who wants to learn to ask.
im not here to agree with or to confirm with anyone's assertion, and im not qualified to answer that simple yes or no.
but i would like to understand your understanding of the Four Noble Truths, not your intepretation of how the Buddha derive the Noble Truths.
Let me take you thru some recent posts:
[I would like to assert that you already knew the Noble Truths. Not only that you also understood this basic teaching (whichever school you subscribed). Are my assertions correct?]
You did not answer my question.
[You have not read the postings in "The Only True Religion Debate".]
You said you did but you never mentioned you came across the Four Noble Truths, a post by AEN, which gave the 'complete' work. I assert that you did not read the thread and if you did it was selective.
If indeed you read the thread, you will have notice that I made no reply or comment to AEN’s post of 15 Jul 9:49PM. That means my understanding of the Noble Truth does not differ. Neither was my interpretation, if any. I have said that the 4NTs are profound but they are not beyond understanding nor require ‘experiential realization’. A British backpacker I met in Laos told me he completely understood the 4NTs when he read a Buddhist publication.
I suggest that you are not upfront. You are trying to fish something under an altruistic net by saying this forum is ‘for sharing’. This forum is already well acquainted with the 4NTs except for non-Buddhist visitors. And you are not a new visitor!
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Originally posted by knowing:
i guess you don't know why our destinations are figured out in the noble truths then. i was waiting for your answer then noticed you were more interested in debating the existence of cookie monsters and hungry ghosts on some other thread. sigh................. if u weren't gonna answer, tell me so i can go to sleep lah!
hahaha, you don't know what you are asking! You ask for the destination and I gave the answer. Then you asked for 1st, 2nd and 4th NTs. Whatever for???
Looks like your destination is far from your reach! Hungry ghost and cookie monster will take you there.
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
//It's obvious which direction you are steering this too. Soon, it will be poor me, poor 'I No Stupid', poor victim...//I am not sure what your ‘direction’ means but I can read between the lines – my direction is not your direction. Also, I don’t need sympathy or support. I don’t think it is poor me, this or that or I m a victim. I fought each and every one of you without fear or favour. Your lack of direction is indeed poverty.
//I have to hand it to you. You really are quite brainy. However, intellectual prowess gets you nowhere when treading the path of spirituality. You can choose to believe or disbelieve this, but just remember that you've been informed. (I'm not discussing this point with you on this thread or on any other thread. Feel free to think of me as immature or cowardly.)//
For one to be brainy, intellectual prowess is necessary. It is a delusion to think that you don’t need intellectual prowess to be spiritual. Do you know what spirituality is all about?
I choose to believe the correct teaching, not make-belief idealism of cult leaders with so-called undefined, incomprehensible, delusional ‘experiential realization’. It appears to me that nothing was realized. Just some abstract, pie-in-the-sky aspirations.
//And now, I'd like to get back to kneading my mala beads. I need more merit so that I may be able to constructively discuss useful Dharma information with others on the forum without having the discussions derailed by well-meaning but misguided people, who feel they have a better grip on what the Buddha did or didn't teach.//
You are not discussing dhamma at all so far. Just some dogmatic doctrines of cult leaders.
And you don’t gain any merit by kneading your mala beads. Better that you knead bread and give it to hungry African children. So, you have better grip of Buddha’s teaching? For what?
//... because you know? I'm really a simple person. Before deep experiential realizations of my own, I choose to believe scripture first. Until such time I have my own insight, I may begin to separate the wheat from the chaff. With regards to figuring out who has insight and who is a fake, I go by whether those people can show me a clear map to my destination, and describe the destination. Also, I trust intuition. Yes... very far from the intellectual that you are.//
I am sorry to learn that you have no clear map to your destination. This confirms my statement in first para “Your lack of direction is indeed poverty.” I am also sorry that despite your experiential realization you need ‘those’ people to describe your destination. Your intuition cannot be trusted. Trust the Noble Truths. In it, your destination is already figured out for you!
Hope you are able to separate the wheat from the chaff so that the bread you knead will be good enough to alleviate the sufferings of African children.
@I No Stupid,
Glad you've been liberated and live daily in bliss and freedom. Looks like you have it all figured out.
edited to add: oh and thanks for the incisive analysis of the status of my spirituality
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Originally posted by I No Stupid:
Let me take you thru some recent posts:
[I would like to assert that you already knew the Noble Truths. Not only that you also understood this basic teaching (whichever school you subscribed). Are my assertions correct?]
You did not answer my question.
[You have not read the postings in "The Only True Religion Debate".]
You said you did but you never mentioned you came across the Four Noble Truths, a post by AEN, which gave the 'complete' work. I assert that you did not read the thread and if you did it was selective.
If indeed you read the thread, you will have notice that I made no reply or comment to AEN’s post of 15 Jul 9:49PM. That means my understanding of the Noble Truth does not differ. Neither was my interpretation, if any. I have said that the 4NTs are profound but they are not beyond understanding nor require ‘experiential realization’. A British backpacker I met in Laos told me he completely understood the 4NTs when he read a Buddhist publication.
I suggest that you are not upfront. You are trying to fish something under an altruistic net by saying this forum is ‘for sharing’. This forum is already well acquainted with the 4NTs except for non-Buddhist visitors. And you are not a new visitor!
1) i see you are only interested in getting people to answer your questions, and total disregard my requests.
2) i see you are using a post by AEN to make assertions that i did not read the thread and that i was selective. this is an assumption. this is not about what is written in the other thread. im asking for you to share with me here.
3) no reply or comment infers no difference in understanding? please write your understanding in your own words. "i completely understood the Four Noble Truths" speaks nothing about the actual understanding.
4) pls do not suggest anything based on assumptions. my requests have been straightforward. an intellectual regurgitation of the Four Noble Truths was not what i asked, i wanted you to share with us your insights to the Four Noble Truths.
if you can't write your own understanding, what do you understand?
actually other than for entertainment value, there is really no real need for me to engage you in any discussion at all.
with this, i wish you all the best in your practice and may the cloud of delusion dissipates in the light of the awakened mind.
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Originally posted by realization:
@I No Stupid,
Glad you've been liberated and live daily in bliss and freedom. Looks like you have it all figured out.
edited to add: oh and thanks for the incisive analysis of the status of my spirituality
I am sorry to disappoint you. I am working towards liberation as I still have cravings and clingings. I have it figured out but it is the working part that is not so easy. And I also figured out why people believed in the ideal of bodhisattva - to lighten their path to enlightenment!
I did not analyse the status of your spirituality. I asked if you know what spirituality is.