Judge it!"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78)
"You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-)
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.
Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).
Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them
This is the Truth
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Yes, there's an Islam forum in sgforums which is a dead as eternal hope.
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Sorry for creating problems and inconviniences in the forum.
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Actually, from the different understandings they express, I am sure Amitayus48, Fugazzi and Realisation are different persons. First of all realisation (unless you are talking about a different person which I doubt so) does not suscribe to the idea that all religions are one. Secondly, amitayus is more of a pure land person, but he suscribes to the idea that all religions are one. Perhaps being influenced by Master Chin Kung (though I am not sure to what extend does mck preach the unity of religions, mck is well versed in other religion texts like koran, bhagavad gita and other texts but I am not exactly familiar with his teachings). Amitayus is certainly not a sufi. If you didn't know, there was a huge debate in our forum in the past on whether mck's preaching of the unity of religions have steered away from the dharma, which I shall digress now because as I said, I am not very familiar with mck's views and whether some of his statements are mere skillful means. Fugazzi is a non religionist but his understanding is closer to anatta, emphasizes a lot on going beyond conceptual knowledge, reminds me of j krishnamurti. His understanding does not sound close to sufi at all. I have not read true repuzzan posts so cannot comment on him.
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"I would expect some to wonder how is it possible that a muslim can post write and understand Chinese.
Don't forget that we have people like Ridhuan Tee, who abandons one's superior Chinese non-muslim identity and culture to adopt an inferior lowly culture of another racial and religious group.
Furthermore it it no longer a rarity to see a non-Chinese who can understand Chinese.
So, it it no surprise at all to me."
Chinese supremist bigot.... In Singapore? No way....
Btw, Islam or Christianity are not exactly "peaceful" religions. WWI & II anyone?
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Originally posted by Amitayus48:
"It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary
man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an
illiterate...
We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...
I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements."Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.
"... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God."
He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.
"Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."
"Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...
If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago."Professor Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists, becoming well known among his colleague scientists for his criticisms against the theories of some of the major scientists in his field. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and presented several Qur'anic verses and Hadith which he studied and commented upon.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
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VERY IMPORTANT STATISTICS CONCERNING KORAN
By
Larry Houle
www.godofreason.com
[email protected]
Muthuswamy cites research on the Koran, conducted by the Center for Political Islam, which illustrates the Islamic focus on conformist behavior and beliefs. According to the Center's analysis of the Koran, the Sira, and the Hadith, only 17% of the Islamic trilogy deals with the words of Allah. The remaining 83% refers to the words and deeds of Mohammed. Of all of the references to "hell" in the trilogy, 6% are for moral failings, while 94% are for the transgression of disagreeing with Mohammed. Statistical analysis of the trilogy revealed that 97% of references to "jihad" relate to war and a mere 3% to the concept of "inner struggle."
About 67% of the Koran of Mecca deals with punishing unbelievers for merely disagreeing with Mohammed. Over 50% of the Koran of Medina deals with hypocrites and jihad against unbelievers. Nearly 75% of the Sira deals with jihad. About 20% of the Hadith by Bukhari is about jihad. The majority of the doctrine is political and it is all violent.
In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal. But there is a big catch. The only way that women are equal is after death on Judgment day, when men and women will be judged on how well they followed the Koran and the Sunna. And guess what? The only way to follow the Koran and the Sunna is to obey men. Equality means obeying menhttp://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T4JH5LM9VIJEB2TDT
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Islam is the second largest religion and is practised very differently every where.
Remember, our fellow Malays are Muslims too, and they have been very dignified and peaceful in the way they conducted themselves here.
There also the Koran of Mecca and Medina.
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Difference of Medinan and Meccan Surahs in the Koran
by Rit Nosotro
Change Over Time essay
What is the difference between the Medinan and Meccan Surahs in the Koran? Of the 114 “suras” in the Koran, do the “Medinan” verses follow and nullify several of the “Meccan” former verses as Mohammed taught over the course of fleeing (Hejira) from Mecca to Medina? Describe the causes and effects of the hejira in 622 AD.
Thesis:
Summary:
The Surahs divide the Qur’an (Koran), the Islamic Holy scripture, into “chapters”. The Surahs are collections of the different sayings spoken byMohammed, believed by Muslims to have been channeled him from Allah who made the original Arabic Qur’an in heaven. Mohammed uttered these sayings over a period of 22 years from the time of his first revelation in a cave on Mt. Hira in 610 A.D. until his death (632 A.D.). Mohammed himself did not write them down, being illiterate,1 but those that heard him wrote down the sayings on anything available or memorized the sayings. Later, under the Caliphs Abu and Ali, copies of the documents were compiled and written down together. Estimates suggest that two-thirds of the Surahs in the Qur’an Mohammed spoke or repeated while living in Mecca and the other one third while living in Medina (after the flight from Mecca)2. During these 22 years, Mohammed faced some major changes and these were reflected in the Surahs. Other than a general change of length, the Medinan Surahs being more prolonged and extensive than the Meccan ones, the character of the Surahs also changed. To understand this difference it is vital to understand the situation in his life both in Mecca and then in Medina.
Mohammed, member of the wealthy ruling Quarish tribe, grew up in and around Mecca. During this time, Mecca was a center of pagan worship, with the activity revolving around the Kaaba, the main pagan temple, which the Quarish tribe protected. Mohammed started receiving visions and though at first he told nobody outside his immediate family, after his family urged him, he started telling everyone the “Word of the Lord”. The first Meccan Surahs Mohammed "received" told him to tell others of Allah’s message. In these Surahs, he viewed himself as one who should warn the people with a goal similar to that of the prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah3. He warned the Meccan citizens to leave their idols and wickedness behind and to follow the one God. During this time in Arabia, there proved a great deal of Jewish and Nestorian Christian influence and though Mohammed never read the Bible, he heard much about the prophets, Jesus and the history of the Jews. He showed respect to “the people of the Book” and to the Bible in the Meccan Surahs. It is interesting to observe that the most dramatic change between the Meccan and Medinan Surahs is concerning the Muslim relationship to Jews and Christians.
During the years when Mohammed preached in Mecca, he wanted to attract the Jews and Christians of the area to the message he was preaching. He did this by showing the similarities of the other prophets and himself, and praising and showing that the God of Abraham was the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims. This helped him because, compared to negative reaction of most of the pagan citizens of Mecca when they were told to destroy their sacred idols, the Jews and Christians welcomed the Muslims and some of the so-called “Christians” even converted to Islam and became Mohammed’s closest companions and followers. However, by the time of his flight to Medina, his approach differed and the Medinan Surahs show a different face concerning the Jews and Christians. Predominantly, the Jews and Christians quietly yet firmly rejected his claim of being a prophet4. Additionally the change might have been influenced by a tribe of Jews that refused to help Mohammed when an army from Mecca besieged Medina in an attempt to kill “The Prophet”.
The Medinan Surahs show that though, Mohammed still believed they served the same God, he started pointing out the fundamental differences of the Christian and Jewish beliefs to the God of Allah. For example, read and compare the following three verses:
Surah 29:46 (Meccan) And dispute ye not with the People of the Book… but say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow."
Surah 9.30 (Medinan) The Christians say that the Messiah is the Son of God. That is but a saying with their mouth. They only imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be upon them! How they are deluded away from the truth!"
Surah 5:73 (Medinan) They are unbelievers who say, "God is the Third of Three...No god is there but One God."Most of the Medinan Surahs, when speaking of the Jews, speak negatively about them and how they abandoned “The Book” and the ways of the Lord. Numerous passages warn Muslims to avoid them or not associate with them. Though it claims that Allah had chosen Israel5, the Qur’an says that God left them because of their disobedience and now blesses and cares for the Muslims. Even though that was the opinion of Mohammed towards the Jews and Christians, he sanctioned special better treatment towards them than towards other pagan people.
Other than the attitude change towards the “People of the Book”, Mohammed’s visions also altered concerning himself. He starts receiving visions more similar to one like in Surah 33:56 “Allah and His Angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye who believe! Send ye blessings on him, And salute him With all respect.” Mohammed seems to take on a role of more than just a humble prophet announcing the revelations of Allah to the people. This probably had its origin in his change of position in Medina compared to Mecca. While in Mecca, though part of the ruling tribe, Mohammed was one of the poorest of the tribe and so not considered very special. The Meccan Surahs spoken over that time period reflect him as merely a speaker, prophet and servant of Allah and his Word. When he fled to Medina, he was welcomed by new Muslims living there and many of his followers also came from Mecca. Because it was not a major center of paganism like Mecca, Islamic teaching found a better reception and soon Medina became somewhat Muslim. This elevated Mohammed and he became a prince and ruler in Medina as well as a spokesman for God. Around this time the Surahs contain many more references to him as a more important person, “The Prophet of God”. Also, the number of Muslims started to grow and so most of the Medinan Surahs begin or contain the phrase similar to one of these: Hear ye all true followers of Allah! or Oh ye who believe!
Another very interesting change is that the only title given to Jesus (every prophet was given special titles) in the Koran is Messiah. No reason is given to this title but it only appears in the Medinan Surahs. “The most plausible explanation is that Muhammad was unaware of the title until he moved to Medina and, as his contacts with Christians and Jews increased, so he came to learn of the unique appellation given to Jesus and, being unaware of its meaning but seeing no reason to reject it, simply adopted it himself and included it in the quran QurŸan [Quran] without any further ado.”6 “It was very well known that the Christians worshipped al masih al-Masæø[Messiah]. This name is attested in Arabia before Mohammed's time…”7
Because he now is the leader of the Muslim people instead of just the prophet of Allah, his Surahs become much more detailed in how to conduct oneself and laws to control what the Muslims can and cannot do instead of merely asking them to return to righteousness. As already mentioned, he now considers himself the ruler and leader of Islam. By revelation, Allah now gives permission to Mohammed to take as many wives as he wants and special rules apply to associating with him or his possessions.
Though these differences within Koran cause much debate and Muslims use these different sides to support their own views, for example about Christian-Muslim relations, Mohammed made it very clear that contradictions can occur because God sends down newer revelations which improve or replace the older revelations. Surah 2:106 says: “We do not abrogate a verse or let it be forgotten without bringing a better or similar one. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?” This is very vital to understand, that even though you can clearly find the differences in the Muslim Holy Book, Mohammed predicted and talked of such possibilities and in the opinion of many Muslims this does not change the sanctity or meaning of the Koran.
Another very vital point to consider is that this essay shows the GENERAL change over time of the Surahs but not all the Surahs follow this pattern. It is noticed that among some of the long Surahs (Medinan), a topic may be mentioned from a Meccan viewpoint and visa versa. For example, one of the Meccan verse speaks of Allah not begetting (a son) (112:3) and a Medinan verse, (Surah 2:62) speaks well of Jews and Christians.
However, though this essay compares the Qur'an and its changes, the Bible very clearly shows that it is the Word of God to man for all generations. Neither God nor His plan for man changes with time. The Holy Book of Islam specifically contridict each other reguarding the nature of Jesus Christ. In the Qur’an, Surah 7:75, it proclaims “Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger…”. Conversely, in John 10:30 Jesus says, “I and my Father [God] are One.” And though the Qur’an agrees with the Injil (New Testament) about Jesus being the Word of God7, it doesn’t tell that Jesus is the only way to heaven.8 John 6:47 says “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.” That is a guarantee spoken by the Almighty God.
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Chinese supremist bigot.... In Singapore? No way....
The point is do you and your community have what it takes to say "no way" ?????
At most what you can do ...... stop the influx of PRC Chinese immigrants...... by complaining the government ................like what is happening now......
My advice to you is if you are not capable to swim against the tide, flow with the tide lah....
Basically, there is 2 kinds of Supremism, one is grounded on FACTS while the other is founded on MYTH. It is an unanimous FACT that the Chinese is a GREAT CIVILISATION.
As for the Islamic civilisation (which the muslim claim to be even greater than the Chinese and Indian), I'm not too sure if it is founded more on MYTH than facts lol......
Most of the time FACTS sound aweful, while MYTH sounds music to the ears...
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trust the Koran................???!!!
after Mohd force a father to marry his 3-yr-old daughter to him ???!!!
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Btw, Islam or Christianity are not exactly "peaceful" religions. WWI & II anyone?
WWII, I know what you are trying to imply here.
Rather than defending Buddhism by say that the Japanese buddhists had distorted, corrupted and perverted the original meanings of Buddha's Dharma, in the same way as the muslim distanced Islam (irresponsibly) from the bloodshed and atrocities committed by its followers, I shall look at the founders of the 3 religions instead.
Both the Buddha and Jesus had never committed any atrocity in their lives. On this account, we can say that Buddhism and Christianity are Religions of Peace. But, the same cannot be said of Islam. WHY?????
As we all know, Prophet Muhammad was not just a messenger of allah, he was also deeply involved in the military and politics, so much so that innocent bloods were shed in the conquest of muslim lands. On this account, can Islam still be considered as a Religion of Peace, given that neither its founder nor its followers had a clean record.
My IQ is blow 50 as measured by MENSA. I hope your IQ is not lower than mine..
HAHAHHAHAHAHhhhhhhhhhhh......................
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I'm pretty sure they are muslim /sufis. It is especially so for Fugazzi.Actually, from the different understandings they express, I am sure Amitayus48, Fugazzi and Realisation are different persons.
First of all realisation (unless you are talking about a different person which I doubt so) does not suscribe to the idea that all religions are one.
Secondly, amitayus is more of a pure land person, but he suscribes to the idea that all religions are one. Perhaps being influenced by Master Chin Kung (though I am not sure to what extend does mck preach the unity of religions, mck is well versed in other religion texts like koran, bhagavad gita and other texts but I am not exactly familiar with his teachings). Amitayus is certainly not a sufi. If you didn’t know, there was a huge debate in our forum in the past on whether mck’s preaching of the unity of religions have steered away from the dharma, which I shall digress now because as I said, I am not very familiar with mck’s views and whether some of his statements are mere skillful means.
Fugazzi is a non religionist but his understanding is closer to anatta, emphasizes a lot on going beyond conceptual knowledge, reminds me of j krishnamurti. His understanding does not sound close to sufi at all.
I have not read true repuzzan posts so cannot comment on him.
Perhaps, you have never "cross sword" with such people before. -
Originally posted by Sushism:I'm pretty sure they are muslim /sufis. It is especially so for Fugazzi.Perhaps, you have never "cross sword" with such people before.
Haha... whatever you think... you can ask them yourselves.
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Originally posted by Weychin:
VERY IMPORTANT STATISTICS CONCERNING KORAN
By
Larry Houle
www.godofreason.com
[email protected]
Muthuswamy cites research on the Koran, conducted by the Center for Political Islam, which illustrates the Islamic focus on conformist behavior and beliefs. According to the Center's analysis of the Koran, the Sira, and the Hadith, only 17% of the Islamic trilogy deals with the words of Allah. The remaining 83% refers to the words and deeds of Mohammed. Of all of the references to "hell" in the trilogy, 6% are for moral failings, while 94% are for the transgression of disagreeing with Mohammed. Statistical analysis of the trilogy revealed that 97% of references to "jihad" relate to war and a mere 3% to the concept of "inner struggle."
About 67% of the Koran of Mecca deals with punishing unbelievers for merely disagreeing with Mohammed. Over 50% of the Koran of Medina deals with hypocrites and jihad against unbelievers. Nearly 75% of the Sira deals with jihad. About 20% of the Hadith by Bukhari is about jihad. The majority of the doctrine is political and it is all violent.
In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal. But there is a big catch. The only way that women are equal is after death on Judgment day, when men and women will be judged on how well they followed the Koran and the Sunna. And guess what? The only way to follow the Koran and the Sunna is to obey men. Equality means obeying menhttp://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T4JH5LM9VIJEB2TDT
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78)
"You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-)
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.
Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).
Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them
interesting... thx but don't get me wrong im not into Islam lolx :p -
Originally posted by Sushism:
The point is do you and your community have what it takes to say "no way" ?????
At most what you can do ...... stop the influx of PRC Chinese immigrants...... by complaining the government ................like what is happening now......
My advice to you is if you are not capable to swim against the tide, flow with the tide lah....
Basically, there is 2 kinds of Supremism, one is grounded on FACTS while the other is founded on MYTH. It is an unanimous FACT that the Chinese is a GREAT CIVILISATION.
As for the Islamic civilisation (which the muslim claim to be even greater than the Chinese and Indian), I'm not too sure if it is founded more on MYTH than facts lol......
Most of the time FACTS sound aweful, while MYTH sounds music to the ears...
What we have here is failure to.... read rhetorics... XD
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Originally posted by Sushism:
WWII, I know what you are trying to imply here.
Rather than defending Buddhism by say that the Japanese buddhists had distorted, corrupted and perverted the original meanings of Buddha's Dharma, in the same way as the muslim distanced Islam (irresponsibly) from the bloodshed and atrocities committed by its followers, I shall look at the founders of the 3 religions instead.
Both the Buddha and Jesus had never committed any atrocity in their lives. On this account, we can say that Buddhism and Christianity are Religions of Peace. But, the same cannot be said of Islam. WHY?????
As we all know, Prophet Muhammad was not just a messenger of allah, he was also deeply involved in the military and politics, so much so that innocent bloods were shed in the conquest of muslim lands. On this account, can Islam still be considered as a Religion of Peace, given that neither its founder nor its followers had a clean record.
My IQ is blow 50 as measured by MENSA. I hope your IQ is not lower than mine..
HAHAHHAHAHAHhhhhhhhhhhh......................
You've misunderstood. In WWII, Japanese worshipped their emperor more tha anything. So far, no major wars are fought in the name of Buddha...
Btw, I like to think I have average IQ... guess how much is that? :)
P.S: "My is... blow 50..." Hahahahah
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
You've misunderstood. In WWII, Japanese worshipped their emperor more tha anything. So far, no major wars are fought in the name of Buddha...
Btw, I like to think I have average IQ... guess how much is that? :)
P.S: "My is... blow 50..." Hahahahah
Shinto have emperor worship. World war 2 is fought due to shintoism. -
Peace be upon you.
I am a Muslim. It is unfortunate many of you here lack understanding of Islam and spread misinterpreted thoughts without doing your homework first. You guys simply copy and paste links/articles blindly from the internet but how are you sure they are 100% reliable? Therefore, you are not in the the position to judge Muslims based on your "findings".
I am a 17 year old Muslim. Probably way younger than all the posters in this forum. However, I respect everyone here regardless of your age/race/religion. And I feel that "respect" is something most of you here lack. Even though I was born a Muslim, I did not simply perform Islamic rituals without asking myself "Why am I doing this and this etc...". Unfortunately, this is not the case for all the Muslims here as they merely perform the religious rituals because their parents ask them to do so. They do not know why they are doing it thus their faith will gradually weaken and do not know much about their own faith. Thus, let me begin by explaining to you guys what is Islam.
Islam is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله, Allah), and by the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah and composed of Hadith) of Muhammad, considered by them to be the last prophet of God. In addition to referring to the religion itself, the word Islam means 'submission to God','peace', 'surrender', and 'way to peace'. An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim.
Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable. Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through Abraham, Moses and Jesus, whom they consider prophets . Muslims maintain that previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time, but consider the Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of God (the Final Testament, following the Old and New Testaments). Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, providing guidance on multifarious topics from banking, politics, and welfare, to warfare and the environment.
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This is a Buddhism forum but of late, it has become Christianity and Islam forum.
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Originally posted by Almond Cookies:
Shinto have emperor worship. World war 2 is fought due to shintoism.Shintoism believes any entity can be worship. The emperor endorses it just because he can utilize that for his causes.
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Originally posted by pious.peace:
Peace be upon you.
I am a Muslim. It is unfortunate many of you here lack understanding of Islam and spread misinterpreted thoughts without doing your homework first. You guys simply copy and paste links/articles blindly from the internet but how are you sure they are 100% reliable? Therefore, you are not in the the position to judge Muslims based on your "findings".
I am a 17 year old Muslim. Probably way younger than all the posters in this forum. However, I respect everyone here regardless of your age/race/religion. And I feel that "respect" is something most of you here lack. Even though I was born a Muslim, I did not simply perform Islamic rituals without asking myself "Why am I doing this and this etc...". Unfortunately, this is not the case for all the Muslims here as they merely perform the religious rituals because their parents ask them to do so. They do not know why they are doing it thus their faith will gradually weaken and do not know much about their own faith. Thus, let me begin by explaining to you guys what is Islam.
Islam is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله, Allah), and by the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah and composed of Hadith) of Muhammad, considered by them to be the last prophet of God. In addition to referring to the religion itself, the word Islam means 'submission to God','peace', 'surrender', and 'way to peace'. An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim.
Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable. Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through Abraham, Moses and Jesus, whom they consider prophets . Muslims maintain that previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time, but consider the Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of God (the Final Testament, following the Old and New Testaments). Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, providing guidance on multifarious topics from banking, politics, and welfare, to warfare and the environment.
The graciousness of adherents of any religion is also the non imposition, especially violent ones, of one's own belief onto others, especially non believers, unfortunately, this has not been enforced and even abused in the name of religion. It is most unfortunate that peoples and nations of monetheistic beliefs have done that.
This posting has been made in regard to the different aspects of a religion, original thread starter. on one hand, one aspect of a religion, and I counter balanced the interpretation by some, violent acts committed by some in the name of religion. The different facets of a belief practised by many.Also the the acceptance of a belief, lock, stock and barrel.
I do not understand the intentions of the thread starter as the person disappeared after the first post.
If a non violability of challenging of basic tenets,aspects, indoctrination and personal conduct and practice, then a meaningful discussion will not take place. You should also understand that others do not hold or are obliged to hold the same views.Calling non believers names does'nt help, does it? You could constructively rebut point but point if there are indeed any misrepresentations or falsehoods wrongly percieved by others. Please put us to shame our ignorance.
A good religion will have lofty aspirations of love and compassion even to those not of the same creed or belief. It is therefore very important for everybody to have these two important values, also something I feel everybody should capable of. We always make excuses for not being so, being selfish, unkind, and cruel but religion should never be used to explain away bad acts.
I highly value compassion and loving as aspirations, because it is also a vehicle of practice.I hope to aim to end my suffering, also hope the same for others. Personally, I judge this an effective measure of a good practitioner of any good religion, a good person.
I have seen gracious and dignified Islam practised here, and this is to be much applauded. There also seems to be confusion in communal and religious identity perception held by others of different faiths . However, there seemed to be a lot of angry "Muslims" elsewhere, this is where tolerance and peace are seen not to be practised. But again,there are a lot unhappy people around. .
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Shintoism believes any entity can be worship. The emperor endorses it just because he can utilize that for his causes.
Not really, Shintoism,the national religion and the divine status of the emperor is used to unite the people in the aggression. Same way, people are using the ailing Thai monarch to justify their position
The main architects are the Tojo administration.
For your information, the Japanese Imperial is the longer reigning monarchy in the world, direct lineage from Amaterasu, the sun goddess.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
This is a Buddhism forum but of late, it has become Christianity and Islam forum.
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Originally posted by Weychin:
Not really, Shintoism,the national religion and the divine status of the emperor is used to unite the people in the aggression. Same way, people are using the ailing Thai monarch to justify their position
The main architects are the Tojo administration.
For your information, the Japanese Imperial is the longer reigning monarchy in the world, direct lineage from Amaterasu, the sun goddess.
I hope I did not imply Buddhism or Shintoism but nationalism... for Japanese drive in WWII...
I'm actually quite sympathetic on Tojo Hideki. See http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/T/o/Tojo_Hideki.htm