New Bus Services Announced by LTA/PTOs (Part 2)
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Unless they adjust more svc 172 & 985 mealbreaks at BNL and L1 respectively,I forsee more chaos at CCK.
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Originally posted by SMB5007J:
New service 308 from 15 May
CCK Int - Keat Hong Link
CCK Int
CCK Ave 4 (Lot 1)
CCK Drive
CCK Ave 1
CCK Ave 7
CCK Grove
Keat Hong Link (1 new stop)
CCK Ave 1
CCK Drive
CCK Int
Wow... exactly the route I had proposed Q1 this year... and it was shot down by my friends here saying 983 will cover and no new feeder required as CCK does not have space.
CCK really does not have space, but what I have realized is that if LTA wants to introduce service it does whether interchange has space or not. I just don't know how they manage to squeeze so many more buses into those overly crowded interchanges.
My route used CCK Central (where 307 plies)... this one uses CCK Dr... But does ave 1&7, CCK Grove and Keat Hong Link as I had mentioned.
Good route!
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Sengkang West should get a feeder very soon. Look out for it.
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15
Eunos Interchange <> Pasir Ris Interchange
150 (withdraw sv 11)
Lor 1 Geylang <> Bartley Road (East)
Lor 1 Geylang
Sims Ave
Mountbatten Road
Stadium
Tanjong Rhu Road
Rhu Cross
Tanjong Rhu Road
Fort Road / ECP (exp)
Tanjong Katong Road South
Mountbatten Road (exp)
Amber Road
Marine Parade Road
Tehlok Kurau Road
Joo Chiat Place
Still Road
Jalan Eunos
Eunos Link
Ubi Ave
Ubi Road 3
Ubi Ave 3
Kaki Bukit Ave 2
Kaki Bukit Road 2
Kaki Bukit Ave 3
Bartley Road East
Kaki Bukit Road 4
Kaki Bukit Road 6
Bartley Road East and back (looping point)
Advantages:
- Connects Tanjong Rhu to Marine Parade (a connection that has been missing for years)
- 15 can be cut short to Eunos with majority DD fleet
- Connects new MRT station of UBI to UBI, Kaki Bukit north industrial estates
- sv 11 gets better utilized due to extension as sv 150 and #11 can be used for another route.
Con
- Connection to Marine Crescent/Terrace removed as route would become winding (alternate option of sv 13 to Eunos MRT still exists).
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
15
Eunos Interchange <> Pasir Ris Interchange
150 (withdraw sv 11)
Lor 1 Geylang <> Bartley Road (East)
Lor 1 Geylang
Sims Ave
Mountbatten Road
Stadium
Tanjong Rhu Road
Rhu Cross
Tanjong Rhu Road
Fort Road / ECP (exp)
Tanjong Katong Road South
Mountbatten Road (exp)
Amber Road
Marine Parade Road
Tehlok Kurau Road
Joo Chiat Place
Still Road
Jalan Eunos
Eunos Link
Ubi Ave
Ubi Road 3
Ubi Ave 3
Kaki Bukit Ave 2
Kaki Bukit Road 2
Kaki Bukit Ave 3
Bartley Road East
Kaki Bukit Road 4
Kaki Bukit Road 6
Bartley Road East and back (looping point)
Advantages:
- Connects Tanjong Rhu to Marine Parade (a connection that has been missing for years)
- 15 can be cut short to Eunos with majority DD fleet
- Connects new MRT station of UBI to UBI, Kaki Bukit north industrial estates
- sv 11 gets better utilized due to extension as sv 150 and #11 can be used for another route.
Con
- Connection to Marine Crescent/Terrace removed as route would become winding (alternate option of sv 13 to Eunos MRT still exists).
so 150 serve Pebble Bay there twice ah? A bit confusing leh. -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
15
Eunos Interchange <> Pasir Ris Interchange
150 (withdraw sv 11)
Lor 1 Geylang <> Bartley Road (East)
Lor 1 Geylang
Sims Ave
Mountbatten Road
Stadium
Tanjong Rhu Road
Rhu Cross
Tanjong Rhu Road
Fort Road / ECP (exp)
Tanjong Katong Road South
Mountbatten Road (exp)
Amber Road
Marine Parade Road
Tehlok Kurau Road
Joo Chiat Place
Still Road
Jalan Eunos
Eunos Link
Ubi Ave
Ubi Road 3
Ubi Ave 3
Kaki Bukit Ave 2
Kaki Bukit Road 2
Kaki Bukit Ave 3
Bartley Road East
Kaki Bukit Road 4
Kaki Bukit Road 6
Bartley Road East and back (looping point)
Advantages:
- Connects Tanjong Rhu to Marine Parade (a connection that has been missing for years)
- 15 can be cut short to Eunos with majority DD fleet
- Connects new MRT station of UBI to UBI, Kaki Bukit north industrial estates
- sv 11 gets better utilized due to extension as sv 150 and #11 can be used for another route.
Con
- Connection to Marine Crescent/Terrace removed as route would become winding (alternate option of sv 13 to Eunos MRT still exists).
Hi mr busanalyser, this should be posted in route suggestions to avoid confusion. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
so 150 serve Pebble Bay there twice ah? A bit confusing leh.People just need to read the EDS and get used to with time..
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, this should be posted in route suggestions to avoid confusion. Cheers. Thanks.
Posted in both places. By the way what do you think about the route? :)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Posted in both places. By the way what do you think about the route? :)
Hi mr busanalyser, good. I like the Ubi and kaki Bukit part. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
Just now took LRT. My house bus stop don't have.Hi mr sbs6750E, I think sengkang new services will not come before July 2016. The current interchange is also undergoing renovation. Sections of it are being cordoned off. So unlikely new services will be introduced. Expected completion date is end July 2016. They are also repairing the airconditioner inside the sengkang bus interchange. This interchange is famous for its super hot Aircon which has not been working since the initial days. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Wow... exactly the route I had proposed Q1 this year... and it was shot down by my friends here saying 983 will cover and no new feeder required as CCK does not have space.
CCK really does not have space, but what I have realized is that if LTA wants to introduce service it does whether interchange has space or not. I just don't know how they manage to squeeze so many more buses into those overly crowded interchanges.
My route used CCK Central (where 307 plies)... this one uses CCK Dr... But does ave 1&7, CCK Grove and Keat Hong Link as I had mentioned.
Good route!
Would it be feasible if 983 reversed it routes, instead of starting from CCK to BPJ, it can start from BPJ to CCK loop? Relieving space at CCK int
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Would it be feasible if 983 reversed it routes, instead of starting from CCK to BPJ, it can start from BPJ to CCK loop? Relieving space at CCK int
i dont think so, since 983 is meant to be a service to serve cck residents however i dont mjnd if 983 enters cck int but w/o parking, just looping in it so it stikk picks up pax to srrve cck -
Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
i dont think so, since 983 is meant to be a service to serve cck residents however i dont mjnd if 983 enters cck int but w/o parking, just looping in it so it stikk picks up pax to srrve cckLOL, 983 SL need a rest though thus need parking
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Would it be feasible if 983 reversed it routes, instead of starting from CCK to BPJ, it can start from BPJ to CCK loop? Relieving space at CCK int
BP bus park already no space if im not wrong..
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Almost no interchanges/terminals have space left.
Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang/Serangoon - overflowing
Tampines/Bedok/Changi Village - overflowing
Joo Koon/Boon Lay/Jurong East/Clementi - overflowing
CCK/BPJ/Woodlands/Yishun - overflowing.
Toa Payoh/Bishan/St.Michaels/AMK/YCK - overflowing
NBR/Shenton Way/Lor 1 Geylang - overflowing
What is left is maybe Bukit Batok, Sembawang, Changi Business Park Terminal, Pasir Ris, Marina Center, UEC, Eunos.
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Tuas sure have but once again gov policy cannot go beyond Boon Lay.Bt Merah got space for 2 more service.Thats what i can think of right now..In future there is Marina South,Woodleigh,Tampines North,Woodlands North and the expansion of Punggol,Sengkang and Hougang.Buona Vista ought to have new Interchange.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Almost no interchanges/terminals have space left.
Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang/Serangoon - overflowing
Tampines/Bedok/Changi Village - overflowing
Joo Koon/Boon Lay/Jurong East/Clementi - overflowing
CCK/BPJ/Woodlands/Yishun - overflowing.
Toa Payoh/Bishan/St.Michaels/AMK/YCK - overflowing
NBR/Shenton Way/Lor 1 Geylang - overflowing
What is left is maybe Bukit Batok, Sembawang, Changi Business Park Terminal, Pasir Ris, Marina Center, UEC, Eunos.
Does Boon Lay not have space? After all LTA did just send a couple of JIS away to Joo Koon.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Almost no interchanges/terminals have space left.
Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang/Serangoon - overflowing
Tampines/Bedok/Changi Village - overflowing
Joo Koon/Boon Lay/Jurong East/Clementi - overflowing
CCK/BPJ/Woodlands/Yishun - overflowing.
Toa Payoh/Bishan/St.Michaels/AMK/YCK - overflowing
NBR/Shenton Way/Lor 1 Geylang - overflowing
What is left is maybe Bukit Batok, Sembawang, Changi Business Park Terminal, Pasir Ris, Marina Center, UEC, Eunos.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr sbs6750E, I think sengkang new services will not come before July 2016. The current interchange is also undergoing renovation. Sections of it are being cordoned off. So unlikely new services will be introduced. Expected completion date is end July 2016. They are also repairing the airconditioner inside the sengkang bus interchange. This interchange is famous for its super hot Aircon which has not been working since the initial days. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Does Boon Lay not have space? After all LTA did just send a couple of JIS away to Joo Koon.
Boon Lay has 22 end-on parking lots and 38 sawtooth parking lots.
Over at Changi Business Park Bus Terminal, the berths are all end-on type. 1 bus route is allocated 3 end-on parking lots, probably to ensure smooth traffic flow. Based on that, I would assume that the end-on section at Boon Lay Bus Interchange is only able to accomodate up to 7 bus routes, since there are 22 parking lots.
As for the sawtooth section, 1 bus route probably needs only 2 parking lots, since the boarding and alighting activities are done at separate bays. With 38 parking lots at the sawtooth section of Boon Lay Bus Interchange, it is likely that up to 19 bus routes can park there.
Hence, I assume that 7 routes at end-on and 19 routes at sawtooth is the maximum number there can be at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, if we want to have smooth traffic flow. The maximum number of bus routes that can originate at Boon Lay Bus Interchange is probably 26.
Well, there are currently 25 bus routes originating at Boon Lay Bus Interchange (if include route 79, it is 26), after 4 were transfered to Joo Koon last year. Of the 25 bus routes, 9 routes are at the end-on section (including route 79, it's 10.) and 16 routes are at the sawtooth section.
Clearly, the end-on section is over-utilised by 3 routes and the sawtooth section is under-utilised by 3 routes. So, obviously, the traffic flow is bad at the end-on section, and good at the sawtooth section.
To improve the traffic flow at the end-on section, I would like to recommend moving route 79 and two other routes from the end-on section to the sawtooth section.
We can change route 79 to really loop at Boon Lay Bus Interchange and not give it any parking lots at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, since it loops at Boon Lay. This would make 2 parking lots available at the sawtooth section of Boon Lay Bus Interchange and allow for 1 new bus route to originate at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
So, to answer your question, yes, there is space at Boon Lay, but for only 1 more bus route to originate there. If want more at Boon Lay, the additional routes can only loop there.
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Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
Changi Village and Whampoa still have enough space for 1 more service each.Changi Village still got plenty of space, can accomodate at least 3 extra services with so many empty lots in there
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
By right, if we want to have smooth traffic flow at Boon Lay during peak hours, the maximum number of bus routes we can have is 23. This is because Boon Lay has 22 end-on parking lots and 38 sawtooth parking lots.
Based on Changi Business Park Bus Terminal, where one bus route is allocated three end-on parking lots, the end-on section at Boon Lay is actually only able to accomodate up to 7 bus routes. As for the sawtooth section, since the boarding and alighting activities are done at separate bays, up to 16 bus routes can be accomodated there.
Yet, there are 26 bus routes at Boon Lay - 10 at end-on, 16 at sawtooth. (Including bus route 79, since it occupies two parking lots at the end-on section.) No wonder there is still jam at the end-on section during peak periods.
In order to achieve smooth traffic flow during peak hours, we have to move 3 routes from end-on to sawtooth and transfer 2 routes out of Boon Lay.
Here, I would like to recommend transferring 193 and 256 out of Boon Lay. We can split 193 at Joo Koon, with one originating at Joo Koon and looping at Boon Lay, and the other originating at Tuas and looping at Joo Koon. We can change 256 to originate at Joo Koon and loop at Boon Lay. Currently, Joo Koon has 7 bus routes; can accommodate 2 more. We can let 256 and "half of" 193 take up the 2 vacancies at Joo Koon.
Whereas for the movement of bus routes from end-on to sawtooth at Boon Lay, I would like to nominate 79, 249 and 252. 79 because it loops at Boon Lay. 249 and 252 because they do not travel out of Jurong region.
Anyway, to answer your question, yes, Boon Lay does not have space. Even with what I recommend above, the capacity at Boon Lay is only just nice. There is actually no space for a new bus route at Boon Lay.
You must consider the feeder and short trunk service that have high frequencies which actively enter the bus interchanges...Service like 157 ought to have 3 lots to be on safe side..Doesnt mean they look like 24 service you die2 must have 24 service unless its all trunk service.Changi Business Park only can accomodate 4 service the maximum...47 is a loop service and everytime i saw 3 svc 47 buses already at the lots..
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Originally posted by SBS6853S:
Changi Village still got plenty of space, can accomodate at least 3 extra services with so many empty lots in there
Changi Village got 22 parking lots excluding the 2 reserved lots..If they need more service they have to built a proper alighting berth maybe just 70m in front of the boardinh berth..Else every buses will stuck there...I agreed that CV can have 2 more service the max.
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I doubt that Tuas Bus Terminal will have new bus services. Tuas Bus Terminal is so far from civilisation, I do not think it is wise to operate a bus interchange or terminal there. When the new bus terminal opens, it is likely that operations at the existing bus terminal will close, instead of relocate. Bus routes 192 and 193 may be changed to loop at Tuas and then return to Boon Lay, or Joo Koon.
The purpose of the new bus terminal at Tuas MRT depot is probably to relieve traffic flow at Jurong East Bus Interchange, instead of replace the existing Tuas Bus Terminal. It is probably for the Malaysia cross-boarder routes CW3, CW4, CW6, and international bus routes to park their buses only, and use Tuas Link MRT Station as their pick-up and drop-off points. Since they are from Malaysia, they will save on petrol as they do not have to go all the way to Jurong East.
As for our Singapore buses, what can we save by having a bus hub at Tuas? We will only lose money lor. So what for? Might as well consolidate everything within Jurong area. Jurong area still can, since got Soon Lee depot and Bulim depot. But if go further west, may not be wise.
So, yeah, if got new bus service at Tuas, it's likely that it may not originate at Tuas Bus Terminal, but instead it may originate from somewhere else around Jurong area and loop at Tuas. That's what I think, though I may be wrong.
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192 & 193 will have longer break time and probably mealbreak once two or more new svc is introduced at Tuas new terminal..There will probably a new canteen too.Joo Koon also out and out industrial area and see what the authorities did?Now JK is as good as a neighbourhood interchange also.