Is living in Singapore that difficult??
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Is it really impossible to survive without a degree in Singapore?
Actually expeirence and degree, which one is more important?
I'm 20 years old and I get looked down on so much, at my part time jobs, at
the companies. Not only because I'm not really tall,
but people, aunties with experience are SO ARROGRANT, LOOK DOWN ON US.
The future in Singapore seems so dark. ): It's so difficult to survive with so many Foreign talents and people that has degree.
I feel like moving to a farm, grow some cows, vegetables, fruits and when I'm starving, I just go out and pluck some vegetables to cook.
Life is so difficult in Singapore.
House, car, transportation are all way TOO EXPENSIVE. I'm only 20 yrs old and I'm so worried and exhausted already.
How to survive in singapore??
I feel so bad for my parents, leave house early, WORK, come home, eat, watch tv awhile, sleep and the whole cycle repeats. -
u are still here, right?
so.......................
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Originally posted by Janetx5x:
Is it really impossible to survive without a degree in Singapore?
Actually expeirence and degree, which one is more important?
I'm 20 years old and I get looked down on so much, at my part time jobs, at
the companies. Not only because I'm not really tall,
but people, aunties with experience are SO ARROGRANT, LOOK DOWN ON US.
The future in Singapore seems so dark. ): It's so difficult to survive with so many Foreign talents and people that has degree.
I feel like moving to a farm, grow some cows, vegetables, fruits and when I'm starving, I just go out and pluck some vegetables to cook.
Life is so difficult in Singapore.
House, car, transportation are all way TOO EXPENSIVE. I'm only 20 yrs old and I'm so worried and exhausted already.
How to survive in singapore??
I feel so bad for my parents, leave house early,
WORK, come home, eat, watch tv awhile, sleep and the whole cycle
repeats.If you so good, work on your own be rich.If not face the scorn/competition of others trying for the same.
Farming is very difficult and troublesome,though it looks romantic in movies. try it before making it a full time job.
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Hazyo, nowadays getting a degree in Singapore is tough, not getting one is harder.
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first would like to share my experience about FT.
previously I was task to employ several staff for the company, for position in accounts and sales.
My initial intention was that I want to employ singaporean and i prefer younger staff as is it easier to train then old timers and relatively cheaper. I purposely make the salary at a slight higher scale to attarct singaporean.
But what really shock me was that, many singaporean i interview have unrealistic expectation on working environment and salary. no experience asking salary is the same as ppl with 5 or more years experience plus cannot do OT cannot nego on salary. and many singaporean interviewee even fly aeroplane on the interview without even a call... In the end i got no choice but employed FT.
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Dude/Dudette, you are only 20. And that means you have a lot of time and energy to make a future for yourself. People look down on you? Improve and prove them wrong. Happens to everyone, happened to me too.
Why not try and be an entreprenuer? You don't work for anyone but yourself. You don't invest your time for anyone but for yourself. Think about it.
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Quit your whinning.
My younger brother does not have degree, he has a O level certificate and he owns a 4 room HDB flat, is happily married and has 2 kids. He works as a sales rep for some electronics company and does pretty well.
So you think living in your government built HDB flat is difficult and prefers to live on a farm? Have you BEEN to farm before? I mean a real one and not one of those toys they have in Singapore. Do you know how difficult it is to make a living as a farmer?
Farms are remote by nature, you will have to drive (you DO know how to drive right?) for a very long distance to get even the basic necessities. No NTUC just across a few streets or 7-eleven in case you run out of instant noodles at home. And oh, you'll have to protect your property too, against varmints, predators and human trespassers. Do you know how to operate a firearm? Do you know how use a 12 gauge shotgun or hunting rifle?
And oh, you don't "grow" cows, just in case you don't know, a cow is a mammal and not a vegetable. You raise them. And you don't call them "cows" either, they're called cattle.
And yeah, please stay in the nice, clean and safe Singapore city and leave the farming to people who actually know how to.
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Originally posted by "newbie":
first would like to share my experience about FT.
previously I was task to employ several staff for the company, for position in accounts and sales.
My initial intention was that I want to employ singaporean and i prefer younger staff as is it easier to train then old timers and relatively cheaper. I purposely make the salary at a slight higher scale to attarct singaporean.
But what really shock me was that, many singaporean i interview have unrealistic expectation on working environment and salary. no experience asking salary is the same as ppl with 5 or more years experience plus cannot do OT cannot nego on salary. and many singaporean interviewee even fly aeroplane on the interview without even a call... In the end i got no choice but employed FT.
Yes and it's the exact same entitlement mindset why FT replaces them everywhere.
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Originally posted by "newbie":
first would like to share my experience about FT.
previously I was task to employ several staff for the company, for position in accounts and sales.
My initial intention was that I want to employ singaporean and i prefer younger staff as is it easier to train then old timers and relatively cheaper. I purposely make the salary at a slight higher scale to attarct singaporean.
But what really shock me was that, many singaporean i interview have unrealistic expectation on working environment and salary. no experience asking salary is the same as ppl with 5 or more years experience plus cannot do OT cannot nego on salary. and many singaporean interviewee even fly aeroplane on the interview without even a call... In the end i got no choice but employed FT.
Please describe about the position, the responsibilities and the salary offered.
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I'm curious. You are only 20, where did you get the idea to actually live on a farm. The people in this forum are right - you're only 20, there is more than enough time to get your degree, find your way and succeed.
Many people survive without a degree in Singapore. I would say degree & experience is just as important but with heavier weightage on experience. When you first start working in Singapore, most companies would look at your qualifications because you have no experience to begin with. As you continue slogging it out in the corporate world, your prospective employers start looking at the experiences that you have. Many people say that when companies are considering employees for promotion, they would look at the qualifications again (if they have to compare you with someone of similar working experiences).
I don't think height is the matter. Generally people are proud of what they have achieved (i.e experience) and tend to look down on others who are new. But this is just how the society works. Accept it, brave through it and one day when you are successful, don't do the same to others.
P/s. My boyfriend's father does farming as a hobby. (not in Singapore) It is really no joke! I don't think there are any actual vegetation farms for you to live in Singapore anyway.
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Originally posted by Janetx5x:
Is it really impossible to survive without a degree in Singapore?
Actually expeirence and degree, which one is more important?
I'm 20 years old and I get looked down on so much, at my part time jobs, at
the companies. Not only because I'm not really tall,
but people, aunties with experience are SO ARROGRANT, LOOK DOWN ON US.
The future in Singapore seems so dark. ): It's so difficult to survive with so many Foreign talents and people that has degree.
I feel like moving to a farm, grow some cows, vegetables, fruits and when I'm starving, I just go out and pluck some vegetables to cook.
Life is so difficult in Singapore.
House, car, transportation are all way TOO EXPENSIVE. I'm only 20 yrs old and I'm so worried and exhausted already.
How to survive in singapore??
I feel
so bad for my parents, leave house early, WORK, come home, eat,
watch tv awhile, sleep and the whole cycle repeats.your parents leave house, WORK...not only for themselves, but also for you!! apparently they were not born with silver spoon, so don't expect them to give you one.
there is no short cut to success in life. a university degree doesn't guarentee anybody anything. I think the aunties looked down on you because you think you can grow cow.
at 20 you have many years ahead, so study hard, if you dream, work hard to pursue your dream, and stop whinning, just remember, your parents don't owe you anything, the country doesn't owe you anything, nobody owe you a living!
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We need to work harderer.
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Originally posted by charlize:
We need to work harderer.
now then you know huh...?
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Without a degree it is almost impossible to secure a decent job unless your parents are a rih people or you set up your own business..
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To answer your questions...
It is possible to survive without a degree. I have friends who have passed ITE, O levels and poly and they are all doing fine in their area of work.
Both experience and qualifications are important. Qualifications determines which job you can apply for and experience determines if you are good at the job you have applied for.
You are currently only 20 yo. You should continue to look for a full time job and give your best. Just look at the bright side of things. And don't compare with graduates. They apply for different job positions.
Don't worry about FTs. It's not yet election time. There's nothing you can do about it now. And grumbling won't help. Just make sure that you are better than an FT in terms of productivity.
As for working in a farm, I think there are some farms in Choa Chu Kang and other outskirts in singapore. But if you are thinking of owning a plot of land and just grow vegetables and chicken for your own consumption like farmers I think it isn't feasable here.
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Originally posted by beigal:
To answer your questions...
It is possible to survive without a degree. I have friends who have passed ITE, O levels and poly and they are all doing fine in their area of work.
Both experience and qualifications are important. Qualifications determines which job you can apply for and experience determines if you are good at the job you have applied for.
You are currently only 20 yo. You should continue to look for a full time job and give your best. Just look at the bright side of things. And don't compare with graduates. They apply for different job positions.
Don't worry about FTs. It's not yet election time. There's nothing you can do about it now. And grumbling won't help. Just make sure that you are better than an FT in terms of productivity.
As for working in a farm, I think there are some farms in Choa Chu Kang and other outskirts in singapore. But if you are thinking of owning a plot of land and just grow vegetables and chicken for your own consumption like farmers I think it isn't feasable here.
How come you register in 07 but only made posts now? -
Yes. Haha. I registered long ago but didn't come in much after that.
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Originally posted by beigal:
Yes. Haha. I registered long ago but didn't come in much after that.
Oh I can see that you are giving very constructive advices to the forumers...do remain active! -
I know quite a few people who lives life pretty well though they have no degree. Thing is you have to work harder to move up the ladder and probably earn less than your counterparts with degrees. Sad truth but this is reality. There are still many who earns a lot despite having no degrees. Many bosses also never study much still earn a lot.
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Please understand this.. 1) Study a lot doesnt mean earn a lot. 2) Never study doesn't mean it's the end. 3) Having a degree is always better, but not having one doesn't mean you will starve. 4) Like some of them say, those who have degrees do not necessarily do better in life. They just have a good headstart. I myself, a poly grad, and armed with some certificates on working skills, is living an ok life. I have not starved yet. Why would you? Do your job seriously, diligently. Stop comparing with FT. They do anything wrong can just go home and hide. Where can you hide in your case? Make full use of every opportunity.. you will find that doors will open for you at many places. All the best!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
now then you know huh...?
And be cheaperer.
And betterer.
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Janet, by 2016 you are eligible to make known what you want. Be wise to make decision on election.
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Originally posted by charlize:
And be cheaperer.
And betterer.
you looking for coffin?
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Janet, if you don't start enrolling in a part time course, or do something to upgrade yourself, by 2016, you will still not have a degree. You are wise if you act now.
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