Singapore's population could hit 6.9 million by 2030
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Will an injunction stop them?
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
actually it's just a worst case scenario.
DPM Teo: Or best case scenario, we did not plan for worse case scenario!
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
actually it's just a worst case scenario.
They never said anything about it being a 'worst case scenario' until now.
If anything, they had been trying to sell it as an ideal scenario to us.
Obviously they are backpedalling after the massive storm of criticism.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
They never said anything about it being a 'worst case scenario' until now.
If anything, they had been trying to sell it as an ideal scenario to us.
Obviously they are backpedalling after the massive storm of criticism.
This is just a courtesy reminder that 7mil oops 6.9mil have arrived.
Next?
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like casino eh
decision made
or rather already started building
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they are trying to reverse thrust the engines...............that's impossible the ship will sink
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not only the locals are negative about their plan of increasing population the foreigners are negative to it as well. Crazy!!
Money is the motivating factor for this ............ many of their polices are centred around M O N E Y
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really, cannot believe them at all one minute say it's like this then next, like that it's like a child fumbling for words to a lie
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PAP's 6.9 million population plan must be opposed.
Their plan cannot be supported.
Confusion over population target continues
Thursday 31 January 2013
Singapore Democrats
In October last year, this website published an article about the lack of clarity of the Government over the target population size of Singapore. The announcement this week that PAP intends to raise this to 6.9 million has only added to the confusion.
In 1991, under former prime minister Goh Chok Tong, the Government published its blueprint for Singapore called The Next Lap in which it stated that a 4-million population was a comfortable figure.
In 2007, former minister for national development Mah Bow Tan changed the figure to to 6.5 million: "A recent review of our long-term land use and transportation plan concluded that we have enough land to cater to a population of 6.5 million." (The post seems to have been removed. Reference: Mah Bow Tan: Why we need 6.5 million people, PAP website, March/April 2007, www.pap.org.sg/articleview.php?folder=PT&id=1758.)
Mr Mah was then contradicted by then Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew who said in February 2008: "I have not quite been sold on the idea that we should have 6.5 million. I think there's an optimum size for the land that we have, to preserve the open spaces and the sense of comfort." He projected, instead, an optimum population size of 5 to 5.5 million for Singapore.
In April 2011 (just before the general elections), Mr Mah walked back his own statement, saying that the 6.5 million number is not a "target" but rather a "planning assumption." Why would the Government be planning to house 6.5 million people if it did not target that number?
A little over a year later in September 2012, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong changed the number: "Today our population is over 5 million. In the future, 6 million or so should not be a problem."
Today, Mr Lee gives us yet another figure: 6.9 million.
The Government's former chief statistician, Dr Paul Cheung, states a different figure: 8 million.
4 million, 5 million, 5.5 million, 6.5 million. 6.9 million, 8 million - who comes up with such numbers and how are they arrived at?
The constant changing of the target does not inspire confidence, at best, and, at worst, demonstrates total confusion within the cabinet. PM Lee even admitted that his administration lacked the foresight in population planning.
In 2008, former foreign minister George Yeo had given us a glimpse into how unprepared the PAP was when he said that the Government needed to come up with a "masterplan" to give "some idea of how many foreigners we can accommodate in a sustainable, organic way.” The statement came after Mr Mah announced in 2007 that his ministry had done a review and found that we could house 6.5 million people.
This confusion doesn't bode well for our future. Has the PAP thought through how such a huge population increase will affect the infrastructure? How will the influx of massive numbers of foreigners affect the social cohesion and overall livability of this island? With half of our population made up of non-Singaporeans, how will our national security be impacted?
These questions must be answered before we commit to a 6.9 million population and, in the process, do this nation harm, perhaps irreparably.
Read also: 6.5 million, Part I (published on 6 Sept 2010)http://yoursdp.org/news/2013-01-31-5540
The PAP has quite a poor record on population planning, nothing good will come out of this garbage 6.9 mil plan. The plan must be resolutely rejected and firmly opposed.
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If you remember lhl cried and said he will bring down number of foreigners to singapore during election campaign 2011 to garner more votes and after winning it is a different story.
This sicko is excellent in wayang wayang.
ah dou .......... nothing more than an ah dou,,,,,,,, hopeless, useless
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They can say all they can as they are not affected or handicapped by the bad effects of overcrowding.
The place is already overcrowded at the moment.
They will definitely say it is ok as this increase will aid their salary and bonus.
They forgot to factor into consideration if most of them are jobless and they are not local, how rosy the situation will be for them.
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PAP's 6.9 million population plan is a garbage plan. It must be completely opposed.
I don't want to live in a place where everywhere I go is a huge crowd. Sorry PAP, but please go and fuck off.
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no one knows how much the Sg population will be in the future, everyone :lol:
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I think they mentioned this to test the reaction of Singaporeans...whether its a good thing to do before the next GE...trying out the system first then see the reaction of Singaporeans. I don't think Singapore will reach that 6.9 millions rather less than that because Singaporeans and foreigners alike will run from Singapore when that happens.
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
I think they mentioned this to test the reaction of Singaporeans…whether its a good thing to do before the next GE…trying out the system first then see the reaction of Singaporeans. I don’t think Singapore will reach that 6.9 millions rather less than that because Singaporeans and foreigners alike will run from Singapore when that happens.
Don't think this is a test, 7 mil are already here. This is just a courteous reminder.
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
I think they mentioned this to test the reaction of Singaporeans…
But 2011 general elections there was a response already. Lee Hsien Loong said that he would cut down on foreigners.
What this 6.9 mil plan shows is that the PAP don't give a flying fuck to public opinion at all. They simply cannot be bothered with the views of Singaporeans.
PAP is holding a lot of dialogue sessions with public, dialogue until come out this 6.9 mil rubbish plan? Seems like more dialogue sessions means more shit plans are coming our way.
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then the reality of 60 million is not far off
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
But 2011 general elections there was a response already. Lee Hsien Loong said that he would cut down on foreigners.
and you believe him??
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the more the lhl speaks the more rubbish he dump to us.
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pay him millions to dump rubbish ................ tsk tsk tsk stupid sinkingporeans .............
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Dafts to believe him the old man is still silent......
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HK ponders weak population growth
Publication Date : 31-01-2013
In 2007, then chief executive Donald Tsang outlined a vision for Hong Kong. It should have a population of 10 million to keep up with New York and London as a global financial centre, he said.
The city's population then was 6.9million. Six years on, it has inched up to 7.2million.
Over the same period, Singapore's population jumped from 4.5 million to 5.3 million. This is projected to increase to 6.9 million by 2030, according to a White Paper released on Tuesday.
The contrasting pictures between the two cities have experts here worried about the way forward for Hong Kong, often pitted as a rival to Singapore.
The South China Morning Post reported yesterday that Singapore's population plans have led to calls for Hong Kong's government to get its act together on population policy.
A public discussion is overdue, they say, and hard choices - such as whether to reverse a populist policy banning mainland babies from being born here - need to be made.
Three academics who sit on a steering committee on population headed by Chief Secretary Carrie Lam tell The Straits Times that Hong Kong is facing a demographic time bomb, with a low fertility rate, an ageing population and a shrinking labour force. The committee, which had its first meeting two weeks ago, is to recommend strategies.
But they doubt Hong Kong will open its doors to immigrants to a similar extent as in Singapore.
"That is out of the question," said Professor Hau Kit Tai, pro vice-chancellor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong.
Added sociologist Alfred Chan of Lingnan University: "Hong Kongers are monocultural and with the reactions to mainland visitors - not even immigrants - there is already a big headache.
"So my view is that it's not part of Hong Kong's history to import people, and perhaps our Filipino and Indonesian maids here represent the limit of what people would accept."
Just 5 per cent of Hong Kong's population are foreigners - mainly domestic helpers, as well as expatriates whose companies have to prove that they could not find local workers.
Among Hong Kongers, there are a few thousand foreign-born who are mainly artists and other skilled talents, said Prof Hau. There are about 217,000 mainlanders who have been allowed to settle here since 1997, subject to a daily quota of 150. Many are relatives of Hong Kongers.
Reflecting the controversial nature of the topic, the experts are divided on whether Hong Kong should allow more foreigners in.
Prof Hau believes the city's immediate challenge is not so much a population decline. Instead, "what is alarming is the change in the profile", he said.
The population is ageing fast, with those aged 65 and above expected to nearly triple to 2.56 million in 2041. The labour force will start shrinking after 2018.
Said Prof Hau: "Right now, we have to be thinking of how to provide services for the large number of older people who cannot sustain their lives."
But in the long term, increasing the number of foreigners is a tough question that has to be asked, said Prof Chan. He believes physical space can be made - whether it is by flattening hills, developing outlying islands, or even reclaiming land in the New Territories up to Shenzhen.
"The problem is not space, but the people's mindset," he said. "Sooner or later, to compete with Singapore, we need parallel policies."
Added demographer Paul Yip of Hong Kong University: "We need at least a conversation on whether we can accept lower economic growth as a trade-off."http://www.asianewsnet.net/HK-ponders-weak-population-growth-42207.html
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old man could be very sick now ..............
probably struggling to fight for survival .....................
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
and you believe him??
Only political idiots or deranged people would believe in the PAP.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Only political idiots or deranged people would believe in the PAP.
but you quote him.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Only political idiots or deranged people would believe in the PAP.
There are still many ignorant ones. Especially those with no financial and family commitment, everything they rely on daddies and mummies for supply. It will hit them when they set up their own families. Also, some rich ones are enjoying life and they see no problem with PAP.