Originally posted by Summer hill:is forced sterilization ever justifiable?
No, it is not. That is why LKY is suffering now, his daughter is happily butchy, his son had cancer, grandson has albinism and autism, and his wife died painfully. I hate to write like this, but karma got Lucky bad. He talk so much about who should have kids, and his bullshit eugenics policies, now look at his own offspring.
Originally posted by Uraniumfish:No, it is not. That is why LKY is suffering now, his daughter is happily butchy, his son had cancer, grandson has albinism and autism, and his wife died painfully. I hate to write like this, but karma got Lucky bad. He talk so much about who should have kids, and his bullshit eugenics policies, now look at his own offspring.
where did you get the news?
anyway, I consider myself lucky to be born, my father only recieved a year of education, and my mum only like less than 1 year.
Originally posted by Summer hill:
where did you get the news?anyway, I consider myself lucky to be born, my father only recieved a year of education, and my mum only like less than 1 year.
Straits Times over the past few years.
Originally posted by Uraniumfish:Straits Times over the past few years.
found this.
Anyway, I find it such a shame that he only decided that sg educational system should cater to every single person after his child has austism.
sad.
Future generations will pay for the sins of PAP
I wish I could come up with a more optimistic pronouncement. But this is the most honest assessment I can make: Future generations of Singaporeans will have to pay for the sins of the PAP if something is not done about the present situation.
Let me state quite frankly that I do not deny that Singapore has made huge economic progress over the decades under the PAP’s watch. As some of my friends would point out, however, much of the growth could have come about not because of, but in spite of, PAP’s policies.
Singapore is situated in a very favourable geographical location, and even though advancements in transportation technology over the decades have eroded our geographical advantage slightly, it cannot be denied that our prime location at the southern tip of the Malaysian peninsula has afforded us enormous leverage as far as trade is concerned.
When the PAP came into power in 1959, Singapore was already a bustling metropolis, not a sleepy fishing village like National Education textbooks like to put it.
When we achieved complete independence and sovereignty in 1965, the foundations for our future economic success had already been laid. Investments were already pouring in and our industries were already being rapidly developed, despite the racial turmoil and the communist threat that existed at that time. All this was happening at a time when the then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew was occupied in a power struggle with the Tunku.
I do not know whether the PAP made things significantly better after 1965, but I do know the PAP managed to make things significantly worse at some point in its reign.
The PAP’s first major policy blunder was its “Stop At 2″ policy which it introduced in 1969 in an attempt to curb Singapore’s rapidly expanding population, which was then seen as a serious threat to Singapore’s long term growth potential. Sterilization policies were progressively liberalized from 1969 to 1974. By 1977, 21 per cent of women of child-bearing age in Singapore had been sterilized. [1]
The PAP’s error in this policy was in going overboard with it. The repercussions would later come back to haunt future generations of Singaporeans.
The pro-eugenics policies of the PAP culminated in the Graduate Mother Scheme which was implemented in 1984. Graduate couples were provided with considerable financial incentives to have more children, the rationale being that children from graduate couples were more likely to be intelligent and would grow up to be more economically productive. However the scheme was scrapped after a few years when the horribly discriminatory implications of the policy gradually dawned on the electorate.
By then, of course, the damage had been done.
All developed economies eventually enter a phase when their birth rates start to decline due to evolving social attitudes and a higher standard of living.
In Singapore’s case however, the policies of the PAP greatly accelerated the process and made the inevitable come much sooner than would have been the case had the PAP not gone overboard.
A decade after the demise of the Graduate Mother Scheme, Singapore’s Total Fertility Rate had plunged to a mere 1.3, far below the replacement level of 2.1 that demographers insist is needed for a population to sustain itself.
This prompted the PAP Government to open the floodgates to foreigners to shore up our population base. Of course, a sustainable population base was not the only reason given by the PAP for doing so. The PAP told the electorate that foreigners were needed because they brought skills and expertise that Singaporeans lack, and their numbers were needed for continued economic growth. For every job which went to them, we were told, more jobs would be created for us citizens.
In more recent times, the electorate was told that Singapore would go the way of the dodo if foreigners were not imported in large numbers, and that Singaporeans should accept this because we are less hard-driving and hard-striving than foreigners. [2]
However, because PAP’s policies have led to an indiscriminate and uncontrolled import of foreigners, some of whom do not seem to bring in new expertise or skill sets over and above what we already have, wages at the lower end of the spectrum have been suppressed, bringing hardship to the lower income. This indirectly leads to suppression of aggregate demand from one segment of the population, which in turn depresses overall economic activity.
It should be noted that unlike countries like Hong Kong and Taiwan, Singapore did not quite have a roaring comeback after the previous two recessions. Perhaps part of the reason lies therein.
The rapid import of foreigners has also created strain on the fabric of our society, with more than a few openly voicing their concern whether the newcomers will make a serious effort at integrating into our society and embracing local social norms.
The larger malaise confronting us, however, is not just the rapid influx of foreigners, which the government has realized only this year must be more tightly controlled.
The economy is being systematically hollowed out, milked for what it is worth. The economic path we have embarked on is unsustainable. Our future growth potential is rapidly being drawn down in a misguided attempt at boosting our GDP figures and justifying ever increasing public sector and Ministerial salaries.
How is the economy being hollowed out?
Singapore will probably see several years more of good growth and perhaps even rising incomes in the middle and upper classes.
But the distortions in the economy created by PAP’s policies will also lead to periodic asset bubbles, especially in housing. Asset bubbles are very bad for a country, and even worse for a small country like Singapore.
Not only do asset bubbles lead to mis-allocation of capital, when they inevitably come crashing down, many people get hurt badly in the process.
We see this each and every time the property market here takes off and goes to the stratosphere, only to come down to reality several years later, leaving in its wake hordes of homeless citizens who have been chased out of their flats because they are unable to service their mortgages.
After the PAP has milked the Singapore system for what it is worth, I fear that future generations of Singaporeans will be faced with a hollowed out economy and slow growth rates that will not match their expectations. I fear that many people, especially those just embarking on their careers, will not be able to afford to retire peacefully when they grow old. They will be faced with an overcrowded city, lack of job opportunities, rising inflation, and poor economic prospects.
I am very tempted to try to alter my prognosis so that it does not sound so pessimistic. But to do so would not be honest. In my sincere assessment, if Singapore citizens do not stand up and take charge of the situation now, future generations will have to pay a heavy price for the sins of the PAP.
Originally posted by Summer hill:is forced sterilization ever justifiable?
All I can say is depending on weather the couple or the single woman wants to or not. By using the word "forced", then I would say no. :)
Originally posted by yenwei yow:All I can say is depending on weather the couple or the single woman wants to or not. By using the word "forced", then I would say no. :)
Although it is perfectly fine for a confucian perspective. As then it's all about following a strict code of rules and being ruled by men. This is why nobody respects confucianists.
Originally posted by Uraniumfish:Although it is perfectly fine for a confucian perspective. As then it's all about following a strict code of rules and being ruled by men. This is why nobody respects confucianists.
only those who are mentally-unsound supports confucianists.
Originally posted by Summer hill:only those who are mentally-unsound supports confucianists.
so confusing.
Originally posted by Uraniumfish:Although it is perfectly fine for a confucian perspective. As then it's all about following a strict code of rules and being ruled by men. This is why nobody respects confucianists.
the confused talkig about the confucianist?
Originally posted by sgdiehard:the confused talkig about the confucianist?
Originally posted by SJS6638:
collecting $$$$$$$$$!what else do human beings do nowadays?
donating blood and sperms?
Originally posted by Summer hill:only those who are mentally-unsound supports confucianists.
That would be a majority of ethnic Chinese Singaporeans.
Right now the opposition has how many seats in paraliment, one can agree that they do not have either 50% or majority of the seats. Thus the inability to rebut the ruling government's policies.
One without power can only inquiry and get "so much" of a response. Not to mention they lack the manpower to run things. Much less a GRC.
So what do you propose??? People volunteer to help out or???
As long as people do not vote in the opposition, there is no way you will see things different in years to come.
As Chiam see tong has said, the opposition must grow.
That can only happen when the people choose it, so quit blaming the party and see things from a broader perspective.
Originally posted by Reiza:Right now the opposition has how many seats in paraliment, one can agree that they do not have either 50% or majority of the seats. Thus the inability to rebut the ruling government's policies.
One without power can only inquiry and get "so much" of a response. Not to mention they lack the manpower to run things. Much less a GRC.
So what do you propose??? People volunteer to help out or???
As long as people do not vote in the opposition, there is no way you will see things different in years to come.
As Chiam see tong has said, the opposition must grow.
That can only happen when the people choose it, so quit blaming the party and see things from a broader perspective.
I think I'm in the mood for some hot man muffins! Like vivian's gaygenda
may be opposition members now busy covering their hanky panky affairsssss
hahahhahahaha
actually, i think they're more just letting the MIW get themselves into trouble
Why work so hard ?
You sow what you reap.
When you do something illegally, it will be uncover eventually.
Does not mean you can cheat every one even though u control everything.
Heaven and Hell got ways to uncover your sins and wrongdoing.
Originally posted by the Bear:actually, i think they're more just letting the MIW get themselves into trouble
politicians will almost always be seeking only to enrich themselves.... pappies enjoying their high and hubristic lives up in ivory tower while we toil and suffer every single day. wayang party also claim to represent alternate voice but so far, all wayang and rubber stamp gahmen. at most ask few questions only.