Why is Spore often called a nanny state?
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I have been having difficulty understanding why Spore is often called a nanny state when our govt has never wanted to provide too much safety net like the advanced countries. And yet these advanced countries have never refered themselves as nanny states even though they provide very good safety nets for their people.
Spore provide more protection in-process like road traffic signs are clearly drawn and displayed to prevent accident whereas in advanced countries pedestrians and vehicles could share the same space as their vehicles can cross traffic islands even when they exist. Few no U-turn signs put up as a result. These advanced countries while do not provide better safety in-process but they provide end-process safety net like good social welfare. Spore is called a nanny state because it provides more comprehensive in-process protections and less end-process social welfare? The advanced countries are not called nanny state because they provide less comprehensive in-process protections and comprehensive end-process social welfare???? Can any one enlighten me.
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Being called a nanny state is not about protecting you. In Singapore, the meaning is because as the "Nanny", it decides everything for you. For example, you are forced to contribute to CPF, which is your money and you cannot decide what to do with it. As the citizen, you need to get permission for everything. For example, if you're damn poor and no place to sleep, police will catch you because you have no license to sleep on the streets. If you're busking on the streets, no license? The police will come catch you too.
Last time the police sent a few cars just to take down our names for playing in the soccer pitch of a secondary school without permission and that time it was school holiday, nobody playing... Take note, taking out a pen and paper to take down names requires calling for backups and a few cars because of 1 coward selfish policeman... he felt threatened by secondary school kids... lol
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- "(Without the CPF), Singaporeans would buy enormous quantities of clothes, shoes, furniture, television sets, radio, tape recorders, hi-fis, washing machines, motor cars. They would have no substantial or permanent asset to show for it." - Asian Wall Street Journal, Oct 21 1985
- "I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn't be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn't be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters - who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think." - Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, Straits Times, 20 April 1987
- "Mine is a very matter-of-fact approach to the problem. If you can select a population and they're educated and they're properly brought up, then you don't have to use too much of the stick because they would already have been trained. It's like with dogs. You train it in a proper way from small. It will know that it's got to leave, go outside to pee and to defecate. No, we are not that kind of society. We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts." - Lee Kuan Yew on Singapore society, The Man & His Ideas, 1997 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew
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Lee Kuan Yew himself is also an anglo dog.
“Lee is like a banana –yellow of skin, white underneath.”
-Zhou Enlai, Premier of the People’s Republic of China, at the Bandung Conference (1955)“More like a Hitler or Mussolini but with less polish and skill.”
- Socialist Front on Lee Kuan Yew, Malay Mail, March 28, 1964“A chameleon, a remarkable creature which can adjust its colour to its surroundings.”
- Tan Siew Sin, Malaysian Chinese Association, in Malay Mail, March 29, 1964“Lee Kuan Yew’s political power has always been built over the dead bodies of his friends and allies.”
– Malaysian Chinese Association, circa 1964“Harry, you’re the best bloody Englishman east of Suez.”
- George Brown, Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom (1966-68)“Kuan Yew, I can never trust you as a politician.”
- Tunku Abdul Rahman, Prime Minister of Malaysia, in 1975
(Without the CPF), Singaporeans would buy enormous quantities of clothes,
shoes, furniture, television sets, radio, tape recorders, hi-fis, washing
machines, motor cars.
They would have no substantial or permanent asset to show for it."
- Asian Wall Street Journal, Oct 21 1985
New light has been cast on these events by Goh Keng Swee.
In a recent interview with the author, Goh claimed that he had always intended to retain the CPF to use it as a tool of capital accumulation, and that he and Lee Kuan Yew never had any intention of introducing any kind of social insurance:
MDB: When did you decide to keep the CPF as a permanent institution? Gob: All along. I thought it was a very useful institution of savings, started by the British. And then I intended to raise contributions when the time came. MDB: The whole question of the CPF and social insurance, was it tied up with the debate over whether to build a welfare state? Goh: I don't think there was much of a debate on that. We never believed in the welfare state. MDB: And that includes Mr Lee? Gob: That includes Mr Lee. MDB: From his earliest days that you know of? Goh: Yes. MDB: So he was never really a conventional British Labour Party type socialist, was he? Goh: (Guffaws of laughter.) Well, Singapore is a very small place. And a small country does not respond to what you expect a bigger country to react to. In a bigger country you have industries to protect it. But in a small country you can't.(39)
The defensiveness of the last answer contrasts with the frankness of Goh's earlier statement that "we never believed in the welfare state", and to his initial reaction of hilarity to the idea that Lee was ever "a conventional British Labour Party type socialist".
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1877/is_1_46/ai_n28766099/pg_3/?tag=content;col1
I think make english as dominant language in Singapore is a form of welfare to the english speaking peranakans and eurasians.
Chinese, malays and indians have to learn alien tongue, but peranakans like Lee Kuan Yew, and eurasians have all the advantage.
That is welfare to peranakans like Lee Kuan Yew. I consider that unfair. I don't consider that fair.
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Listen to the WIW (Woman In White) and you'd get the idea. (from 2.00 onwards)
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its a nanny state because:
1)most sporeans seem like no balls or have fire in them
2)most are like kids who cant think n fight and get what they want correctly.
if citizens were real men instead they woint need a nanny!so if they arent kids n slaves in spore ,they end up as kids n slaves somewhere else on the planet.
it is therefore important to send whpever u werk for a message that they are not dealing with kids and toys.
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Only rich family got nanny, the average family, anywhere in the world where got nanny?
You don't decide if you want a nanny, your parents decide for you, and you don't choose your parents.
You got nanny only because your parents really got money, if not, you would be lucky if you were brought up grandparents if not, philippino maid, ..... Whatever it is, do you have a choice?
You do have a choice if you are independent, you don't need any nanny or maids, you are independent!!!!! go live your live and why let anybody look after you when you can look after yourself.
The poor angmoh in the west never have a chance to have maids or nanny, so they laugh at us for having nanny and maids, they know not what they do...forgive them, understand the under priviledged.
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Originally posted by FunGuyWorkaholic:
Being called a nanny state is not about protecting you. In Singapore, the meaning is because as the "Nanny", it decides everything for you. For example, you are forced to contribute to CPF, which is your money and you cannot decide what to do with it. As the citizen, you need to get permission for everything. For example, if you're damn poor and no place to sleep, police will catch you because you have no license to sleep on the streets. If you're busking on the streets, no license? The police will come catch you too.
Last time the police sent a few cars just to take down our names for playing in the soccer pitch of a secondary school without permission and that time it was school holiday, nobody playing... Take note, taking out a pen and paper to take down names requires calling for backups and a few cars because of 1 coward selfish policeman... he felt threatened by secondary school kids... lol
CPF at least you can use to buy house, invest in shares or buy medical insurance. in the west, you pay over 50% of your income to the government as taxes. you decide.
Government don't issue permission to use school compound, the school management does. The police are there because the school called them. in america, if the police are threatened, they just shoot, if not enough bullets then call for backup. The teenagers can also carry gun and shoot if they don't like the police, or the teachers, or their classmates.
There is a different between law and order, enforced by authorities and love and care given by nanny.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Only rich family got nanny, the average family, anywhere in the world where got nanny?
You don't decide if you want a nanny, your parents decide for you, and you don't choose your parents.
You got nanny only because your parents really got money, if not, you would be lucky if you were brought up grandparents if not, philippino maid, ..... Whatever it is, do you have a choice?
You do have a choice if you are independent, you don't need any nanny or maids, you are independent!!!!! go live your live and why let anybody look after you when you can look after yourself.
The poor angmoh in the west never have a chance to have maids or nanny, so they laugh at us for having nanny and maids, they know not what they do...forgive them, understand the under priviledged.
what aboy JAPAN AND KOREA?
THEY DOINT HAVE NANNY AND STILL CARRY ON.
so obviously many many things went wrong with many many people in spore.its not the ang mo or race issue.its the nanny issue and why they exist in spore and countries which are considered....somewhat nuah or sift.
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Originally posted by Hitman Chief (Barium):
what aboy JAPAN AND KOREA?
THEY DOINT HAVE NANNY AND STILL CARRY ON.
so obviously many many things went wrong with many many people in spore.its not the ang mo or race issue.its the nanny issue and why they exist in spore and countries which are considered....somewhat nuah or sift.
nanny is the wrong term to use, give injustice to the love and care nannies who look after children.
You can say many many things wrong with the people in spore, and the world, nuah or sift, Japan and Korea no diff.
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Originally posted by Hitman Chief (Barium):
what aboy JAPAN AND KOREA?
THEY DOINT HAVE NANNY AND STILL CARRY ON.
so obviously many many things went wrong with many many people in spore.its not the ang mo or race issue.its the nanny issue and why they exist in spore and countries which are considered....somewhat nuah or sift.
The people in Africa also don't have Nanny and still carry on, like korea and japan?
People cannot call Singapore a authoritative state ( for it is not all authoritative ), or call it a tyranny, or a demoracy, .....nothing suit their dictionary, so they call it a nanny state, is it an insult to the government who looks after the citizens like their children or ridiculing the citizens for depending everything on the government, like their nanny?
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Originally posted by Gohhock:
I have been having difficulty understanding why Spore is often called a nanny state when our govt has never wanted to provide too much safety net like the advanced countries. And yet these advanced countries have never refered themselves as nanny states even though they provide very good safety nets for their people.
Spore provide more protection in-process like road traffic signs are clearly drawn and displayed to prevent accident whereas in advanced countries pedestrians and vehicles could share the same space as their vehicles can cross traffic islands even when they exist. Few no U-turn signs put up as a result. These advanced countries while do not provide better safety in-process but they provide end-process safety net like good social welfare. Spore is called a nanny state because it provides more comprehensive in-process protections and less end-process social welfare? The advanced countries are not called nanny state because they provide less comprehensive in-process protections and comprehensive end-process social welfare???? Can any one enlighten me.
you need to ask the person who make the statement.
I once had a Australian colleague who made the statement, he said your government really provide you before you even know it, they see beyond your generation.....our government never see beyond the next election.
Is this statement a compliment, or an insult, and to whom?
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Hi Guys,
Thanks, can I be more confident to think that the reason why their govts are not nannies because they have more comprehensive welfare safety net than us? However, I still hear them blaming their govts for lack of jobs, rising costs, collapse property mkts, etc. They seem like one of us in this respect. Also it is often said that advanced education made them creative and entrepreneurial. But I hear their prominent ceos blaming the govt for them to be fearful because of uncertainties in regulations. I thought entrepreneurs thrive on uncertainties, right? It is because I have never heard of any one picking up such observations to discuss that I have to choose our own turf to hopeful instil confidence in myself on such issues. I do not like to be laughed by a foreigner.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
you need to ask the person who make the statement.
I once had a Australian colleague who made the statement, he said your government really provide you before you even know it, they see beyond your generation.....our government never see beyond the next election.
Is this statement a compliment, or an insult, and to whom?
spore gov give what except heartache!!!the aussie person is ignorant!if its so good,i wont be overseas n immigrated already!its an insult.....as give u a hole in pockets b4 u even have new pants kinda government.on the whole only like 10% of the population think like real adults..the 90% are like kids and dont want to do many things in life from doing their own jobs which is their responsibility to depending on others like a crutch.they are lazy in other words n need someone like a discipline master to cane these 90% sporeans to werk.
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Originally posted by Gohhock:
I do not like to be laughed by a foreigner.
They laugh at what? They are from which country?
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
- "(Without the CPF), Singaporeans would buy enormous quantities of clothes, shoes, furniture, television sets, radio, tape recorders, hi-fis, washing machines, motor cars. They would have no substantial or permanent asset to show for it." - Asian Wall Street Journal, Oct 21 1985
- "I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn't be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn't be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters - who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think." - Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, Straits Times, 20 April 1987
- "Mine is a very matter-of-fact approach to the problem. If you can select a population and they're educated and they're properly brought up, then you don't have to use too much of the stick because they would already have been trained. It's like with dogs. You train it in a proper way from small. It will know that it's got to leave, go outside to pee and to defecate. No, we are not that kind of society. We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts." - Lee Kuan Yew on Singapore society, The Man & His Ideas, 1997
- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew
you are the most annoying member is sgforums.
all your post are subjective and have a hidden agenda. tell me, are you some opposition party or just a bo liao person?
many people dun like pap because of FTs, rise in cost of living, hdb.
you? wine about LKY being a banana. and you made people think that by changing our language policy and bringing back the dialects, all this things can be solved. okay, maybe i speak hokkien now, when i wake up tommorrow, will i be a million dollar richer? no, i will be a cleaner because i am unable to adapt to the world where english is the main language in business. i remember you once said increased the quota for unniversity. no, that won't help!
you are a racially insensitive person who deserve to be serve with a hot piping bowl of ban mian.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
you are the most annoying member is sgforums.
all your post are subjective and have a hidden agenda. tell me, are you some opposition party or just a bo liao person?
many people dun like pap because of FTs, rise in cost of living, hdb.
you? wine about LKY being a banana. and you made people think that by changing our language policy and bringing back the dialects, all this things can be solved. okay, maybe i speak hokkien now, when i wake up tommorrow, will i be a million dollar richer? no, i will be a cleaner because i am unable to adapt to the world where english is the main language in business. i remember you once said increased the quota for unniversity. no, that won't help!
you are a racially insensitive person who deserve to be serve with a hot piping bowl of ban mian.
You are still young. Just concentrate on studies first. Although last time people around your age were already fighting against british colonialism and their anti chinese policies.
May 13 Generation: The Chinese Middle Schools Student Movement And Singapore Politics In The 1950s
http://www.selectbooks.com.sg/getTitle.aspx?SBNum=051670
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9DDo2Aspk
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
You are still young. Just concentrate on studies first. Although last time people around your age were already fighting against british colonialism and their anti chinese policies.
May 13 Generation, The: The Chinese Middle Schools Student Movement And Singapore Politics In The 1950S
http://www.selectbooks.com.sg/getTitle.aspx?SBNum=051670
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9DDo2Aspk
he may be young but he's right here..
you're just biased to all hell and are not helping whatever "cause" you have because you just discredited everything in it with your BS
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Originally posted by the Bear:
you're just biased to all hell and are not helping whatever "cause" you have because you just discredited everything in it with your BS
Which BS?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
CPF at least you can use to buy house, invest in shares or buy medical insurance. in the west, you pay over 50% of your income to the government as taxes. you decide.
Government don't issue permission to use school compound, the school management does. The police are there because the school called them. in america, if the police are threatened, they just shoot, if not enough bullets then call for backup. The teenagers can also carry gun and shoot if they don't like the police, or the teachers, or their classmates.
There is a different between law and order, enforced by authorities and love and care given by nanny.
Without revealing names, let me just share with you how this friend owns so many properties and yet he told me he doesn't contribute to CPF. Firstly, he prefers the money on his hands so that he can grow them whenever he can grow them fast compared to the palty interests the CPF is generating. The rich is getting richer and the poor is stuck in the poor loop because they cannot make more money because they do not have the money. I could never understand the logic that if the money belongs to me, then why can't I use it? If I can't use it, then how can I say the money belongs to me? One way is you can say that the government do not trust the citizens, but hey they are willing to give sponsorships to foreign students to study here. So are you telling me that foreigners are better than Singaporean trash?Secondly, you mentioned higher taxes in other countries but you failed to mention how other countries provide free education to all and free healthcare to all. In those countries, if you find the free education lacking, then by all means go pay for a better one. But in Singapore, you no money don't even bother to sleep out in the streets, the police will come and catch you. The more you mention that, it appears that you're suggesting Singapore govenment is abusing their authority and violating the rights of Singapore citizens.
In American, police man just shoot whenever they felt threatened... LOL... What nonsense is this? If you can't get your facts right, you just lost all your credibility in that statement. Do you want to do it yourself or do you want me to search for you some Youtube clips about American policemen being threatened and never shoot like you just mentioned? You can't even get the facts right.
What you're suggesting about anyone can get a gun easily in America legally is not true, please get your facts right before you comment further. If you're talking about getting the guns illegally, by all means, I can even do that in Singapore, no need to go to America.
There is a difference between law and order vs wasting tax papers money and abusing authority by doing something stupid that is not necessary. It makes them looks retarded plus more importantly, it wastes the tax payer's money, which is basically my money too.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Only rich family got nanny, the average family, anywhere in the world where got nanny?
You don't decide if you want a nanny, your parents decide for you, and you don't choose your parents.
You got nanny only because your parents really got money, if not, you would be lucky if you were brought up grandparents if not, philippino maid, ..... Whatever it is, do you have a choice?
You do have a choice if you are independent, you don't need any nanny or maids, you are independent!!!!! go live your live and why let anybody look after you when you can look after yourself.
The poor angmoh in the west never have a chance to have maids or nanny, so they laugh at us for having nanny and maids, they know not what they do...forgive them, understand the under priviledged.
In your own words, you're suggesting that the Singapore govenment is saying that Singaporeans cannot be trusted to take care of themselves and needs to be told what to do? But they do trust foreigners through actions such as investing in their educational sponsorships. So you're infering that foreigners are more trustworthy and more important compared to Singapore citizens?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
you need to ask the person who make the statement.
I once had a Australian colleague who made the statement, he said your government really provide you before you even know it, they see beyond your generation.....our government never see beyond the next election.
Is this statement a compliment, or an insult, and to whom?
For every Australian colleague that says that, you have 10-20 foreigners or recently the China professor or in the news lately those couple of China students saying how Singaporeans are stupid and Singaporeans are dogs... So what they say means it's true? Are you stupid? Are you a dog? -
BTW, I'm not condemming the policies made, I am merely reflecting that there is something on the other side of the policies that the government does not reveal.
Generally speaking, overall, they did great. I would say they score good but I will say there are rooms for improvement.
The biggest areas for improvement, and also why the government attracts so much heat from critics is simply because of their supression of opposition parties. The more you suppress, the harder they fight back, it's natural reaction. The more you suppress, the better you made the opposition look, suddenly they have hero status, although not on the mainstream.
The other thing is housing prices because if you can't even have a roof over your head, then as a citizen, what's it good for? Might as well be a foreigner in Singapore.
Things like that, can be improved.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
you are the most annoying member is sgforums.
all your post are subjective and have a hidden agenda. tell me, are you some opposition party or just a bo liao person?
many people dun like pap because of FTs, rise in cost of living, hdb.
you? wine about LKY being a banana. and you made people think that by changing our language policy and bringing back the dialects, all this things can be solved. okay, maybe i speak hokkien now, when i wake up tommorrow, will i be a million dollar richer? no, i will be a cleaner because i am unable to adapt to the world where english is the main language in business. i remember you once said increased the quota for unniversity. no, that won't help!
you are a racially insensitive person who deserve to be serve with a hot piping bowl of ban mian.
Thumbs up for saying !
Girl, sounds like you have a more sound sense of judgement than the Dalforce.
Hahahahahah!
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Repost:
Average S’poreans won’t feel effects of high inflation: Tharman
By Chua Yini | Yahoo! Newsroom – Mon, Apr 30, 2012
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Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam said the high inflation rate does not reflect the reality for average Singaporeans. (AFP file photo)
The high inflation rate does not reflect the reality for average Singaporeans, said Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam.
Speaking at the May Day dinner on Sunday, Tharman said that, while the Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose by about 5.2 per cent in March in this year from the same month last year, “it does not mean that the average Singaporean will feel this high inflation”.
He explained that people who already own homes and are not buying new cars are not affected, because more than half of the inflation is due to higher cost of new car ownership and higher housing rents.
Tharman added that the increase in prices for daily necessities and essential services, such as food, clothing and education, has been “much more moderate”, at 3 per cent or lower.
Therefore, the inflation in actual household expenditures for most Singaporeans is lower than 5 per cent, he pointed out.
Nevertheless, he said the government is taking steps to tame inflation and is closely monitoring the situation, he said.
For example, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) has been gradually strengthening the value of the Singapore dollar to reduce the impact of imported inflation.
In addition, the government is providing some help for lower-income Singaporean households to cope with the rising cost of living, added Tharman, citing the recently introduced goods and services tax (GST) vouchers.
However, he said Singapore can expect more cost pressures as business wages rise amid the tight labour market.
“There will be pressure on consumer prices this year and the next few years,” he said.Read comments: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/average-s%E2%80%99poreans-won%E2%80%99t-feel-effects-of-high-inflation--tharman-.html
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Sgdiehard is not even born in Singapore.. he's an import from a third world country lah ...
He thinks he knows so much about the west.. sure.. based on what he read from our propaganda media...
Seriously....