Sizes of HDB Flats
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Originally posted by Dalforce 25:
A
B
If you move from A to B, the standard of living won't drop at all.
It is wrong to say that there will be drop. I think if someone moves from A to B, his or her standard of living will improve.
Well, if the pricing for new apartments are getting more expensive... alot of younger generations will opt for B scheme instead.
A roof above your head is better than none..
I won't mind staying in the (Studio) apartments in future.
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Think small and put the buzz into Singapore
17 May 2001
Lydia Lim / The Straits Times
HE SPOKE with passion — and at length — about how to make Singapore one of the great cities in the world to live in, comparable to places like San Francisco and Vancouver.
Mr Jonathon Sze, an engineer, was one of 13 people to speak at a public forum held to discuss the draft of the 2001 Concept Plan, which will guide Singapore’s physical development in the next decade.
He was brimming with ideas on how to make this country more vibrant, more attractive to foreign talent and, therefore, more competitive.
Why not have jetties along the Singapore River so that people can travel to and from their waterfront homes in boats, creating a new kind of “high society living”, he asked.
Why does Hongkong have a buzz but not Singapore? Well, because Hongkongers live close to their places of work, leisure and learning, he said, answering his own question. So after work, they head home for a shower, then head out again.
They are “motivated to socialise”, he said.
In contrast, Singaporeans spend up to an hour commuting and are so knackered by the time they reach their doorsteps, they don’t want to step out again, he added, concluding that this is where Hongkong has a competitive advantage.
At the end of his extended presentation, National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan, who was chairing the forum, said with a smile: “I can’t disagree with any of the points you’ve made.
“I just want to add one point though. Maybe it’s because Hongkongers’ flats are smaller than Singaporeans’ that they spend more time outdoors,” he said, to much laughter from the 300-strong crowd.
Of all the points raised at last Friday’s dialogue, I found this last comment by the minister the most telling.
It said to me that flat size is an issue that is still on the minds of Singapore’s leaders and urban planners. And rightly so.
With so little land to be shared among so many competing uses, housing density — that is the number of housing units on a given piece of land — is a key issue in urban planning.
In September last year, The Straits Times published a front-page article that was headlined “Get set for smaller homes in future”.
It quoted Mr Mah as saying that with shrinking family sizes, it was “only logical” to build smaller homes. However, it would be difficult to get people to accept the idea.
“Human nature being such, I think we still want to have same-size houses even though the sizes of households are getting smaller,” he said in last year’s interview.
“So it does not follow that we will be able to reduce the house sizes too much, but I think over time, this has got to be the trend,” he added.
The article was reprinted in the Chinese and Malay newspapers and set off a feedback frenzy.
Many people called the Housing Board and the URA to register their unhappiness with any plans to reduce flat sizes.
Smaller flats emerged as the top housing issue last year, prompting the most number of responses to the Feedback Unit.
The issue also sparked a heated exchange on the Straits Times Interactive (STI) website, where 200 people posted their views.
Most who called or wrote to the various government departments and the STI were strongly opposed to the idea. Some felt it contradicted the Government’s push to encourage Singaporeans to have more babies. Others railed against the unfairness of shrinking HDB flats that kept ballooning in price.
Much of the unhappiness was due to a misunderstanding of what the minister had in mind.
Mr Mah was not announcing HDB’s plans to shrink flats.
He was merely pointing out that if the average size of a Singapore household falls from four to three, which it is expected to do with rising affluence, then it only makes sense to build smaller homes so that more land can be set aside for parks and other uses.
I agree.
I am not suggesting that in the future, all families — regardless of size — be squeezed into the equivalent of a three-room flat. Neither was the minister.
What I am suggesting is that both public and private sectors build smaller homes to cater to the growing number of couples with no children, and singles. This will allow us to house a bigger population, yet preserve the greenery, old buildings and neighbourhoods precious to so many Singaporeans.
To make the idea more palatable, I suggest a name change for HDB homes.
Instead of labelling flats as either five- or four-room, thus bringing with it the attendant associations of first and second class, why not market public housing like private condominiums?
Flats could be named after the precinct they are in, such as Sengkang Cove or Punggol Point. This would go hand-in-hand with the HDB’s pilot build-to-order scheme, which invites flat-buyers to choose flats in specific locations.
The price, of course, would still depend on the size of the individual unit.
I think this would go a long way to assuage the angst against smaller flats, which I believe is due more to material aspirations than any crying need for bigger living spaces.
After all, the average working adult spends very little time at home, as work is likely to swallow up two-thirds of his day.
I think the minister may be right to suggest that if homes become smaller, Singaporeans will change their lifestyles accordingly.
In a recent article, architect and planning consultant Robert Powell argued that old Chinatown enjoyed a vibrant street life because people’s homes were smaller, and so they tended to go out more, transforming the street into “a communal living room”.
My memory does not stretch that far back, but I do recall visiting a friend, a Japanese girl, who lived in the heart of Paris with her family.
Their flat was tiny, her bedroom so cramped that she had no space for a bed. She slept on the floor on a mattress, which she pushed against the wall during the day so that she would have more room to move around.
Yet, I don’t think the size of her flat compromised her quality of life in any way.
On the contrary, she thrived in Paris, a city she knew as well as the back of her hand.
She
showed me where to get a top-class panorama of the city, not the Eiffel
Tower, but the roof of a shopping centre called the Samaritaine; where
to head for the definitive display of Monet’s water lilies, and what to
look out for when visiting Notre Dame Cathedral, whose facade she
described as “perfect”.From her, I learnt that it’s not the size of one’s flat that matters but the broadness of one’s mind.
Smaller flats will take some getting used to. But, instead of bemoaning the lack of space, which good design and clever layout can go a long way to compensate, why not look forward to less time spent cleaning up at home, and more time spent meeting and mingling with others, or indulging in a whole range of sports and other leisure activities?
Let’s not close our minds to the idea that smaller flats may mean bigger buzz and broader horizons.
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Smaller flats will take some getting used to. But, instead of bemoaning the lack of space, which good design and clever layout can go a long way to compensate, why not look forward to less time spent cleaning up at home, and more time spent meeting and mingling with others, or indulging in a whole range of sports and other leisure activities?
As long as more $$$ can be made for PAP.
Time to shrink all of the HDBs and increase their prices.
Smaller flats will improve the standard of living of Singaporeans.
I think this would go a long way to assuage the angst against smaller flats, which I believe is due more to material aspirations than any crying need for bigger living spaces.
After all, the average working adult spends very little time at home, as work is likely to swallow up two-thirds of his day.
I think the minister may be right to suggest that if homes become smaller, Singaporeans will change their lifestyles accordingly.
In a recent article, architect and planning consultant Robert Powell argued that old Chinatown enjoyed a vibrant street life because people’s homes were smaller, and so they tended to go out more, transforming the street into “a communal living room”.
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normally shoebox apartments will have lots of mirrors.... to make it look bigger with the reflections...
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Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
normally shoebox apartments will have lots of mirrors.... to make it look bigger with the reflections...
Too many mirrors and you would think that there were 10 of you in the same room making it look even more crowded.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Too many mirrors and you would think that there were 10 of you in the same room making it look even more crowded.
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This pic is from the video clip....
It may look simple + neat....
But the renovations with his IDEAs will likely to cost him quite a bit.
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Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
This pic is from the video clip....
It may look simple + neat....
But the renovations with his IDEAs will likely to cost him quite a bit.
His renovations probably cost more than his apartment.
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I think people should vote for PAP. They will give us small flats to improve our standard of living.
Vote for a smaller HDB, vote PAP. Improve your standard of living.
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That's why life in Hong Kong is damn stressed up....
All the housing have a 50 yrs lease hold.... which meant... in 1 life time, the ppl in HK needs to get 2 apts.... (not like in Sg)..
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Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
That's why life in Hong Kong is damn stressed up....
All the housing have a 50 yrs lease hold.... which meant... in 1 life time, the ppl in HK needs to get 2 apts.... (not like in Sg)..
, you can stay for 2 generations at least....But it boosts productivity.
Maybe PAP can consider that too.
I am going to vote for PAP, they will give me small flats to improve my life.
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Originally posted by charlize:
His renovations probably cost more than his apartment.
But he said he is a architect...
His apartment may be his SHOWROOM too.....
to sell his concept to the rest of the Hong Kong ShoeBox apartment.... Not bad after all.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 25:
But it boosts productivity.
Maybe PAP can consider that too.
Yeah... there is a HUGE RATIO in the POPULATION in the 30s-40s in Singapore is NOT MARRIED (eg.. me)...
This ShoeBox apts are likely to attract interest from the public.
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So how come prices keep increasing as the lease of the flat becomes shorter and shorter?
Ironically, banks will not give you a bank loan if the lease left is less than some x number of years (20? 30?) right?
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Originally posted by charlize:
So how come prices keep increasing as the lease of the flat becomes shorter and shorter?
Ironically, banks will not give you a bank loan if the lease left is less than some x number of years (20? 30?) right?
The property prices in Hong Kong is crazy....
as crazy as....
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Originally posted by charlize:
So how come prices keep increasing as the lease of the flat becomes shorter and shorter?
My brother went HK (to work) about 3 yrs ago...
The price of property has went up almost 80%....
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Think small and put the buzz into Singapore
Seems like the only way out to add buzz to Singapore is to have more smaller flats. They are indeed visionary, the PAP.
Normal people like you or me certainly cannot come up with such genius ideas like shrinking flats to add more buzz.
This is one reason to vote for PAP in 2016.
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Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
The property prices in Hong Kong is crazy....
as crazy as....
Eventually the bottle gets throw away at the edge of the world.
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Wah, that's the size of my rented storeroom. Only $100 per month. How much is the HDB again ?
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Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
Most apartments in HK... (newer ones)...
can only accomodate a... bed...
Allow me to quote our bloody smart CEO Cheong "HDB CEO Cheong said that smaller flats do not have to mean a lower quality of living because the living space per person has actually increased over time due to smaller family." -
Originally posted by Dalforce 25:
I think people should vote for PAP. They will give us small flats to improve our standard of living.
Vote for a smaller HDB, vote PAP. Improve your standard of living.
LOL!!! ROFL!!! I like your sarcasm. -
Singapore need to make the houses leasehold like 10 years, so we need to buy new houses every 10 years, like the COE for cars. This will increase our standard of living because we need to work harder to continue living.
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This no different than a hotel room with a kitchenette. Since when we became tourists in our own country ?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Wah, that's the size of my rented storeroom. Only $100 per month. How much is the HDB again ?
Wah ???? so what is the size of your rented storeroom?
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Originally posted by charlize:
Average space for everybody will increase because next time, there will be only 1 person living in a 50 sq m one room flat.
1 person living in a 50 sq m one room flat?
