Top 10 Highest Paid Government Leaders
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
are you someone from pap?
Lol no. I am a 16 year old dude who is here just to improve on my composition skills.
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Originally posted by Ote1983:
Lol no. I am a 16 year old dude who is here just to improve on my composition skills.
young pap?
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Nah... Not involved in politics, at all. My results aren't that good for me to join
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Originally posted by Ote1983:
Lol no. I am a 16 year old dude who is here just to improve on my composition skills.
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Originally posted by Veggie Bao:
It is a good thing to have high salary in order to attract and retain talent, and also to remove incentives for corruption and other misdeeds.
Some people like to focus on ministers' salaries but they never think about policemen' salary, teachers' salary, etc.
But I think many people understand and agree with the relative parity of the salaries of policemen and teachers compared to the private sector counterparts ones.
But if we agree with the policy on the level of policemen and teachers, logic tells us that we should also agree to a similar policy on the upper level of governance, meaning, the ministers must be well-paid.
Nothing wrong with that.
How is the recent flood at orchard? New place of interest? Don't ask me to give up road. U can dig such a big hole for MRT why not (long kang)?
How is the MRT? Last few years, guys have been talking about terrorist attack. Well prepare?
Nothing wrong with that!!! Just few example for u LOL
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Originally posted by Ote1983:
@winsomeea Hi there, I would like to clarify that I am but a 16 year old boy, who has no political motives whatsoever.
I am just airing my views on the political situation here in Singapore, because I am failing my english and I really need to improve on my argumentative skills. I would like to add on the point that I am not defending the despots (in fact, I mentioned that I am unhappy with certain policies of theirs).
And I stand by my point about ministers drawing higher salaries before they came into parliament. These are known facts that are laid before me and I accept them, instead of denying them. But thank you very much for your criticisms.
@Dalforce 1941 Hi there, importing aliens (I am assuming you refer to foreign workers) would increase the supply of labour and therefore lower the competition for labour, thus allowing us to produce more. This increased production is the very essence of economic growth. (Sorry if I didn't answer your question fully. This is the most I know about economics)
@Summer hill Hi there, yes I know that too, but birth rates were already low in the 1990's and it led to the rise in inflation rate now. Hope that answered you question :)
you certainly dont write like a 16-yr-old failing his english and needs to improve on argumentative skills.
if you want to defend the govt at least be true with yourself.
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Originally posted by Ote1983:
Nah… Not involved in politics, at all. My results aren’t that good for me to join
so..........you have the intention to join Pap?
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Originally posted by Veggie Bao:
Because the reasoning is not based on size, or GDP, or comparison with other foreign leaders.
The comparison is simply relative parity with the private sector counterpart.
Again, similarly, if we look at the starter positions, such as new policemen, new teachers, there is relative parity with their private sector counterparts.
I believe it is important.
Because if there is a significant gap between private and public sector, there is going to be dichotomy and compartmentalization.
The talented people will go to private sector and the leftover losers will go to the public sector.
The public sector workers would be more incompetent, more lazier, more susceptible to bribing, etc, all sorts of problems, which would eventually create problems and difficulties for all of the society.
This is not theory. This is practice and you can see it with your own eyes.
Just look at Malaysia, Indonesia.
In Malaysia if you get caught with traffic violation, you can bribe a policeman with "coffee money"
In Singapore it is much harder to approach a policeman with "coffee money", why ?
It is not some coincidence or some strange configuration of stars which created this situation. So what are the factors which created this situation ? How come Singapore in the middle of Malaysia and Indonesia can have much lesser corruption..?
The answer is, because of the relatively good renumeration.
In whatever organization and whatever job position, having a good renumeration is important.
I believe it is doubly important in public sector because the people in that sector hold power and authority and their decisions have outsized significance and impact on the rest of the society.
One minister who is bribed to give out a road construction project to a company who bribe him, is detrimental and is much more harmful, than the "coffee money" being given to a traffic policeman, so yes, as you go up the ladder, the renumeration need to keep up also.
I believe it is important to have relative parity with private sector.
Comparison with private sector is ok but why only select the top highest paying and peg against that? That will only skew the statistics and with the intentional wrong sample selection, the purpose is to "prove" something that is not reality.
If the comparison is to be fair, salary should be taken from the 25% of the highest paid population and 25% of the lowest paid popluation. That will make the average pay more reaonable.
If private sector is so attractive, and these people are just working for money and not in the service of people, then these people are better off making the economy grow by working in the private industries and earning that kind of salary rather than artificially kept in the government service with inflated salaries. It does not serve the people nor themselves for the kind of work might not even suit them but they just clung to it due to salary.
If it is true to always compare to the top highest paid and pay themselves that salary, then Obama should then demand as high a salary as Bill Gates or all the top paid people in US. Similar would happen world wide and all these leaders would be paid in billions. These leaders are surely not asking for super high pay and not comparing againsts private sector because it is to them their chance to serve the people and nation. Its a different calling altogether and they are not looking at these numbers but the welfare of the nation and world.
Anyways, what's done is done. We had created a monster and no hero is around to slay it.
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Originally posted by mistyblue:
Comparison with private sector is ok but why only select the top highest paying and peg against that? That will only skew the statistics and with the intentional wrong sample selection, the purpose is to "prove" something that is not reality.
If the comparison is to be fair, salary should be taken from the 25% of the highest paid population and 25% of the lowest paid popluation. That will make the average pay more reaonable.
If private sector is so attractive, and these people are just working for money and not in the service of people, then these people are better off making the economy grow by working in the private industries and earning that kind of salary rather than artificially kept in the government service with inflated salaries. It does not serve the people nor themselves for the kind of work might not even suit them but they just clung to it due to salary.
If it is true to always compare to the top highest paid and pay themselves that salary, then Obama should then demand as high a salary as Bill Gates or all the top paid people in US. Similar would happen world wide and all these leaders would be paid in billions. These leaders are surely not asking for super high pay and not comparing againsts private sector because it is to them their chance to serve the people and nation. Its a different calling altogether and they are not looking at these numbers but the welfare of the nation and world.
Anyways, what's done is done. We had created a monster and no hero is around to slay it.
we can do something about it in 5 years time. if PAP lose more than 2 or 3 GRCs and 2 SMCs, they will do something about it.
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Originally posted by dragg:
you certainly dont write like a 16-yr-old failing his english and needs to improve on argumentative skills.
if you want to defend the govt at least be true with yourself.
a lot of people who goes all the way to defend PAP behaves like him. No surprise.
These are boring people who send singapore down the drain.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
we can do something about it in 5 years time. if PAP lose more than 2 or 3 GRCs and 2 SMCs, they will do something about it.
Don't think they care even if they lose more grcs.
When the house of cards start falling, there will be nobody around.
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looking at the rate they are going, they are only interested they win, they don't care if they win big or small.
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Originally posted by mistyblue:
Comparison with private sector is ok but why only select the top highest paying and peg against that? That will only skew the statistics and with the intentional wrong sample selection, the purpose is to "prove" something that is not reality.
If the comparison is to be fair, salary should be taken from the 25% of the highest paid population and 25% of the lowest paid popluation. That will make the average pay more reaonable.
If private sector is so attractive, and these people are just working for money and not in the service of people, then these people are better off making the economy grow by working in the private industries and earning that kind of salary rather than artificially kept in the government service with inflated salaries. It does not serve the people nor themselves for the kind of work might not even suit them but they just clung to it due to salary.
If it is true to always compare to the top highest paid and pay themselves that salary, then Obama should then demand as high a salary as Bill Gates or all the top paid people in US. Similar would happen world wide and all these leaders would be paid in billions. These leaders are surely not asking for super high pay and not comparing againsts private sector because it is to them their chance to serve the people and nation. Its a different calling altogether and they are not looking at these numbers but the welfare of the nation and world.
Anyways, what's done is done. We had created a monster and no hero is around to slay it.
You see, it really is an insult for such "extraordinary talents" to simply have their wages be pegged to two-thirds of the median salaries of the top eight earners in six chosen professions (nevermind the fact these top eight earners vary from year-to-year).
After all, if an 88-year-old good-for-nothing fascist deserves more than SGD3m/annum just for making "forecasts" (wonder why he didn't become a fortune-teller and forewarn the global credit crunch
), can you really blame all these extra-terrestrial talents for doing a job that's only worth what they are paid? As a fascist despot championing and justifying the lottery-winning salaries once suggested, failure to reward "extraordinary talents" succinctly would result in either the collapse of a 300-billion-dollar economy or these talents becoming corrupt. Hence, it's perfectly justifiable that you see train delays/breakdowns persisting even after a thorough review had been made and floods continuing even though semi-functional barriers had been erected to stem these tides.
In short, these ramifications are the consequence of not quadrupling their salaries and multiplying their pensions ten-fold. No wonder the three ministers who got ousted in Aljunied were out of politics in double-quick time to make up for lost time after enduring decades of work conditions bordering on slavery.
Hence, you should really be glad you've still got an "extraordinarily-talented" family who's humbly committing generations into working for the benefit of its subjects under such hideous conditions. Mind, the benevolence of the Lee dynasty is only second to that of the Kim dynasty - as you are probably aware, it's truly hard to top a leader whose dying wish was to put fish on the dining tables of Pyongyang residents.
In the name of the FATHER, the SON and the HO-LEE spirit. Amen.
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Originally posted by walesa:
In the name of the FATHER, the SON and the HO-LEE spirit. Amen.
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+1 to Ote1983's comments.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
But if he really wanted to join politics, the pay wouldn't be a problem wah.
If you are really a political person after power and a high position, the pay cannot be a problem in your calculations.
It is only a problem when you are not a political person but forced to join politics.
This is so idealistic that it makes you look like a xmm.
Take you for example, say you earn $1.5 mil annually, would you give your comfortable life for a 400k job(more than 3 times lesser) and putting yourself in public scrutiny?
Be practical man. There is still a bottom line to the salary you allow yourself to draw. Especially when you are a highly sought talent.And all the talk about serving the nation at heart, Singapore isn't facing a crisis now. There isn't an immediate need to be in the government, unlike when Singapore just gained independence. Why should the top talents sacrifice so much?
Will you sacrifice so much if you were them?
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Originally posted by Sky_Blue223:
Will you sacrifice so much if you were them?
Erm .....yes?Seriously I don't even earn 10% of what they have and am already satisfied. What you gonna do with that much $ really....grow fat?
If I had the power/$ they had I would probably be more interested in being a good leader to be remembered well by the people in history books.
Should Obama go on strike becoz of what our ministers are earning? Is there a union for that?
O wait I dun think that is allowed in SG right?
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Another PAP arselicker found!
Most PAP arselickers are new in sgf, come here new to arselick, eeeee! How very interesting!
Sounds like the arselicker is condoning getting highest salary and do nothing for public service. arselicking over the limit, tsk tsk tsk!!!1
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
Erm .....yes?Seriously I don't even earn 10% of what they have and am already satisfied. What you gonna do with that much $ really....grow fat?
If I had the power/$ they had I would probably be more interested in being a good leader to be remembered well by the people in history books.
Should Obama go on strike becoz of what our ministers are earning? Is there a union for that?
O wait I dun think that is allowed in SG right?
So obvious he is all the way to arselick the useless greedy PAP. Hopeless, it is people like him that will send Singapore down the drain, sg already on the way to the drain.
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When salary review out ah?
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Originally posted by dragg:
you certainly dont write like a 16-yr-old failing his english and needs to improve on argumentative skills.
if you want to defend the govt at least be true with yourself.
Well are you trying to imply that I'm lying? I am a sec 4 student who didn't score better than a d7 for any school English exams, so if that's not failing what is? And just a little tip, its better to attack my argument, not the person himself, cos it'll make you case sound weak -
Any more PAP's arselickers to come??????? hahaaaaaa!
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Year ending tomorrow, where is the salary review of the "first world" ministers, Gerard Ee?
Gerard Ee you kelong or what?????
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Originally posted by Sky_Blue223:
This is so idealistic that it makes you look like a xmm.
Take you for example, say you earn $1.5 mil annually, would you give your comfortable life for a 400k job(more than 3 times lesser) and putting yourself in public scrutiny?
Be practical man. There is still a bottom line to the salary you allow yourself to draw. Especially when you are a highly sought talent.And all the talk about serving the nation at heart, Singapore isn't facing a crisis now. There isn't an immediate need to be in the government, unlike when Singapore just gained independence. Why should the top talents sacrifice so much?
Will you sacrifice so much if you were them?
There are people who had been lawyers making millions but give up to do some non profit work just to help people. There are high paying accountants who give up job to be hawker. Salary isn't everything, sometimes, there are people who really wish to help people and money isn't the driving factor.
I think a fair salary is better to attract real people who are keen to work in the public service line than a super high salary that attract greed and questionable people.
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Originally posted by charlize:
When salary review out ah?
I wonder how much will be the increase and we can see the GST go up to 10% liao :-D