Harry Lee owns us dialect chinese of Singapore a debt.
Without us, he could never had come to power. He should not treat us like shit and go suck up to aliens.
No political support from us dialects, no Harry Lee as PM.
While the community can also be differentiated along other socio-cultural markers such as clan membership and dialect group, the distinction in language stream was especially salient as it engendered clear differences across various dimensions – the two sectors were distinguishable not only by access to opportunities in employment and higher education, but also by cultural outlook and political inclinations (Kwok 2001:495–6).
Such differences were exemplified by the establishment of Nanyang University (abbreviated in Mandarin and referred to hereafter as Nantah) in 1955. Prior to its establishment, those who had completed Chinese high school education had to travel abroad to China or Taiwan to pursue tertiary education while their English-educated counterparts could enrol locally in the University of Malaya.
The call to establish a Chinese-language university drew financial support from “all classes in the Chinese community, from the richest magnates to the poorest drivers and prostitutes” (Hong & Huang 2008:9), and culminated in the establishment of Nantah, the first Chinese-language university in Southeast Asia. Nantah thus represented not only a response to practical constraints confronting the Chinese-educated sector, but also a symbolic community project that demonstrated their solidarity (Kwok 2001:496).
Besides the establishment of Nantah, the 1950s and the 1960s also saw increased political prominence among the Chinese-educated. There was, for example, a wave of student movements in those years, the most frequently remembered amongst them is the ‘May 13th Incident’ of 1954 when Chinese-educated middle-school students protested against the colonial government for implementing mandatory military conscription. Such social movements were not simply isolated reactions to specific events, but were fuelled by “a wider sense of exclusion for the Chinese-educated with a colonial society in which fluency in English was the route to employment and advancement” (Harper 2001:15).
It was from such movements that ‘Intellectual-Politicians’ such as Lim Chin Siong emerged. Lim attended Chinese-medium schools, but he never completed middle-school education. In 1951, he was expelled from his school for participating in examination boycotts. His subsequent employment as a trade union official continued to develop his oratorical and organisational skills, and eventually led him into the leadership of the left wing faction of the People’s Action Party (PAP).
It was Lim and his allies from the left wing faction who drew support for the PAP from the Chinese-educated electorate (Harper 2001:13–25).
http://s-pores.com/2010/12/the-tangent/
It was Lim and his allies from the left wing faction who drew support for the PAP from the Chinese-educated electorate
Fuck finish already, throw us away one side, Harry Lee? Destroy our schools, suppress our languages?
You own us a debt, Harry Lee. We are going to collect.
Originally posted by Dalforce 25:Harry Lee owns us dialect chinese of Singapore a debt.
Without us, he could never had come to power. He should not treat us like shit and go suck up to aliens.
No political support from us dialects, no Harry Lee as PM.
You mean the sei lou yeh owes dialect Chinese?
He is evil to erode the dialect root. As a hakka he has no ancestors province of their own so do all he can to destroy root of other dialects. He is lethal needs to be out of earth and singapore asap.
Many don't like LKY so don't like PAP.
I don't mind the name PAP but not the people in it.
Originally posted by gorgorlokaychyong:You mean the sei lou yeh owes dialect Chinese?
He is just an anglophile banana hakka peranakan, cannot speak mandarin, cannot speak dialects, how to win votes from 75% dialect dominated Singapore?
Your father, your grandmother, your grandfather can understand Harry Lee's ang moh in 1950s ar? Listen also want to vomit.
It was Lim Chin Siong who won the votes, not Harry Lee.
He owns us a debt, that bastard Harry Lee Kuan Yew.
Extracted from Parlimentary Debates of the Dewan Ra’ayat (House of Representatives)
Thursday, 19th September, 1964
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Mr Speaker: You have one more minute left.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: I think one more minute is too short.
Mr Speaker: I will give you one more minute.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: I think it is most unfair for me to complete my speech in one minute. I beg you to ...
Mr Speaker: No, I will give you one minute.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: Sir, when the Prime Minister talks of defending our country, we find it hollow. This Government has betrayed all the vital interests of the people to the British. It has no right to talk of defending the nation. This Government is oppressing the people; more than 200 political leaders and trade unionists are in the jails of Singapore. Our Secretary- General, Mr Lim Chin Siong, is in Changi and political dwarfs like Mr Lee Kuan Yew can strut around and talk big only when giants like Mr Lim Chin Siong are kept out of the political arena (interruption).
Mr Speaker: Do not disturb him.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: The Prime Minister has spoken about the communal riots in Singapore. He says that the Indonesians and the Communists caused it. We are from Singapore and we know that this is just to cover up the real culprits. The Prime Minister of Singapore is telling, in Europe, that the UMNO politicians have caused it. The UMNO in Singapore says that the P.A.P. has caused it. We who are in Singapore know that the communal riots were the work of the UMNO and the P.A.P. who were indulging in a bitter fight for power. All this nonsense about the Indonesians and the Communists causing these riots is just to hide the truth that the main culprits belong to the ruling parties.
SOME HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Nonsense! Lies
Enche' Chia Thye Poh : We challenge the Government to have a public enquiry into this. When the riots started . . . .
Mr Speaker : Order, order! Your time is up—it is already one minute.
*****
2 years later, at the age of 26, Member of Parliament for Jurong Mr Chia Thye Poh was arrested and detained without charge or trial. He spent a total of 23 years in prison and another 9 years under restrictive orders in Sentosa. Upon his release in 1998, he publicly called for the abolition of the ISA. He attained his phD recently, but his last known whereabouts are uncertain.
http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2009/02/political-dwarfs
Our Secretary- General, Mr Lim Chin Siong, is in Changi and political dwarfs like Mr Lee Kuan Yew can strut around and talk big only when giants like Mr Lim Chin Siong are kept out of the political arena .
No fair fight leh between Lim Chin Siong and Harry Lee.
I want to see whether my grandfather will vote for Harry Lee or Lim Chin Siong.
Originally posted by Dalforce 25:He is just an anglophile banana hakka peranakan, cannot speak mandarin, cannot speak dialects, how to win votes from 75% dialect dominated Singapore?
Your father, your grandmother, your grandfather can understand Harry Lee's ang moh in 1950s ar? Listen also want to vomit.
It was Lim Chin Siong who won the votes, not Harry Lee.
He owns us a debt, that bastard Harry Lee Kuan Yew.
It was Lim and his allies from the left wing faction who drew support for the PAP from the Chinese-educated electorate
Extracted from Parlimentary Debates of the Dewan Ra’ayat (House of Representatives)
Thursday, 19th September, 1964
*****
Mr Speaker: You have one more minute left.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: I think one more minute is too short.
Mr Speaker: I will give you one more minute.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: I think it is most unfair for me to complete my speech in one minute. I beg you to ...
Mr Speaker: No, I will give you one minute.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: Sir, when the Prime Minister talks of defending our country, we find it hollow. This Government has betrayed all the vital interests of the people to the British. It has no right to talk of defending the nation. This Government is oppressing the people; more than 200 political leaders and trade unionists are in the jails of Singapore. Our Secretary- General, Mr Lim Chin Siong, is in Changi and political dwarfs like Mr Lee Kuan Yew can strut around and talk big only when giants like Mr Lim Chin Siong are kept out of the political arena (interruption).
Mr Speaker: Do not disturb him.
Enche' Chia Thye Poh: The Prime Minister has spoken about the communal riots in Singapore. He says that the Indonesians and the Communists caused it. We are from Singapore and we know that this is just to cover up the real culprits. The Prime Minister of Singapore is telling, in Europe, that the UMNO politicians have caused it. The UMNO in Singapore says that the P.A.P. has caused it. We who are in Singapore know that the communal riots were the work of the UMNO and the P.A.P. who were indulging in a bitter fight for power. All this nonsense about the Indonesians and the Communists causing these riots is just to hide the truth that the main culprits belong to the ruling parties.
SOME HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Nonsense! Lies
Enche' Chia Thye Poh : We challenge the Government to have a public enquiry into this. When the riots started . . . .
Mr Speaker : Order, order! Your time is up—it is already one minute.
*****
2 years later, at the age of 26, Member of Parliament for Jurong Mr Chia Thye Poh was arrested and detained without charge or trial. He spent a total of 23 years in prison and another 9 years under restrictive orders in Sentosa. Upon his release in 1998, he publicly called for the abolition of the ISA. He attained his phD recently, but his last known whereabouts are uncertain.
http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2009/02/political-dwarfs
Our Secretary- General, Mr Lim Chin Siong, is in Changi and political dwarfs like Mr Lee Kuan Yew can strut around and talk big only when giants like Mr Lim Chin Siong are kept out of the political arena .
Yes, I read that Lim was the one who got the support. the evil one used him and disposed huh?
Originally posted by gorgorlokaychyong:Yes, I read that Lim was the one who got the support. the evil one used him and disposed huh?
Your grandfather, grandmother will vote for who in 50s?
Lim Chin Siong or Harry Lee?
For me, I think my grandfather and grandmother will vote for Lim Chin Siong, because Harry Lee talk what ang moh fuck shit, they also don't know what the hell he is saying.
Lim Chin Siong at least they can understand.
Originally posted by Dalforce 25:Your grandfather, grandmother will vote for who in 50s?
Lim Chin Siong or Harry Lee?
For me, I think my grandfather and grandmother will vote for Lim Chin Siong, because Harry Lee talk what ang moh fuck shit, they also don't know what the hell he is saying.
Lim Chin Siong at least they can understand.
I don't know who my ancestors vote for. My family all for opps.
Got Harry Lee, no Harry Lee, the dialects in Singapore would still prosper.
In fact we would be stronger. Our schools won' be destroyed, our languages won't be suppressed.
But no dialect chinese support, there won't be a Harry Lee Kuan Yew as prime minister of Singapore.
You talk about political leadership, Harry Lee also couldn't lead the masses. It was Lim Chin Siong and others who mobilised the masses.
You talk about fight, Harry Lee also didn't fight. It was dalforce and others who fought.
You talk about business, industry, Harry Lee also worked for a british law firm, he was not in business.
The largest Chinese dialect group in the late nineteenth century were the Hokkien, who were traditionally involved in trade, shipping, banking, and industry.
The next largest group, the Teochiu, engaged in agricultural production and processing, including gambier, pepper, and rubber production, rice and lumber milling, pineapple canning, and fish processing.
Cantonese served as artisans and laborers and a few made their fortunes in tin.
The two smallest groups, the Hakka and Hainanese, were mostly servants, sailors, or unskilled laborers. Because wealth was the key to leadership and social standing within the Chinese community at that time, the Hokkien dominated organizations such as the Singapore Chinese Chamber of Commerce and supplied most of the Chinese members of the Legislative Council and the Chinese Advisory Board.
The latter, established in 1889 to provide a formal link between the British government of the colony and the Chinese community, served as a place to air grievances but had no power.
http://countrystudies.us/singapore/6.htm
In a pattern common to Chinese urban society in China and in Southeast Asia, groups defined by common place of origin or dialect also tended to specialize in certain trades or monopolies.
Exactly which regional group dominated which trade varied from place to place and represented historical accidents and contingencies, but the principle of a regional group also acting as an occupational group was common.
As late as the 1980s, the Singapore Hokkien were dominant in banking, insurance, shipping, hardware, real estate, and other lucrative fields.
Within the Hokkien community, smaller subgroups controlled particular trades. For example, 96 percent of the merchants dealing in China tea in the 1980s traced their ancestry to Anxi County in southern Fujian.
Teochiu dominated the fresh produce trade and the jewelry and antiques business; Cantonese predominated in furniture making, watch and clock repair, and operating drug stores and restaurants; and the Hakka were pawnbrokers, tailors, and dealers in Chinese herbs and medicines.
The Henghua people from northern Fujian, a small component of the Chinese population, controlled the very important bicycle, motorcycle, and taxi businesses. Over the years the speech groups competed for the control of trades, and the pattern of dialect- specific occupations was a dynamic one, with, for example, strong competition for shares of the textile trade. In the 1980s, four textile trade associations represented Teochiu, Hokkien, Hakka, and Cantonese traders.
The competition between speech groups reinforced both their internal solidarity and the social boundaries between them. Regional associations were, to a certain extent, also trade associations. For the large proportion of the Chinese population employed in regional commerce, service trades, or small-scale manufacturing, there remained a close relation between ethnicity and occupation, each aspect reinforcing the other.
This useless bastard Harry Lee want to come and sell us his bullshit that without him, without english, Singapore cannot survive.
Bunch of poppycock.
Without dialects that bastard also cannot come to power lah.
I want to collect my debt.
Originally posted by Dalforce 25:This useless bastard Harry Lee want to come and sell us his bullshit that without him, without english, Singapore cannot survive.
Bunch of poppycock.
Without dialects that bastard also cannot come to power lah.
I want to collect my debt.
I wonder what he is going to tell when he arrives in hell and is asked the question on what has he done for Singaporeans .
He is redundant, long overdue to go hell!
He suppressed the dialects and destroyed chinese schools and weakened chinese culture and anglicised the society. This weakened the morale and offensive power of the chinese to venture into business.
Productivity also lower in Singapore compared to HK or Taiwan.
He has hindered the economic growth of Singapore.
Originally posted by Dalforce 25:He suppressed the dialects and destroyed chinese schools and weakened chinese culture and anglicised the society. This weakened the morale and offensive power of the chinese to venture into business.
Productivity also lower in Singapore compared to HK or Taiwan.
He has hindered the economic growth of Singapore.
If you notice those chinese educated uncles not all but mostly are not holding high posts. Already quite a number of these from relatives.
GENDER, GENDER GENDER....
I dont think it is a question of what turn Singaporeans away from PAP.
Really, it is PAP's fault that there is this disconnect between PAP and the(younger) Singaporeans.
For the older generation, use a stick to beat them and they still vote for the god-almighty PAP.
For the younger generation, they want to be taken seriously and be consulted on national issues.
Young people dont want to see hiphop, gyrating MPs on stage. When they ask for oranges and PAP seduces them with apples - trouble brewing in the horizon.
"What turned you away from PAP?"--
It is puzzling that former PM Goh had to step down to make way for someone you know who.
wiki : As Secretary General, Goh led the PAP to three general election victories in 1991, 1997, and 2001, in which the party won 61%, 65% and 75% of the votes respectively. After the general election in 2001, Goh indicated that he would step down as Prime Minister after leading the country out of the recession.
and that time he how old only ?
What's more puzzling was the rolling out of titles like MM,SM. Something unheard of in a democracy and it is a turnoff for many.
Originally posted by Fcukpap:GENDER, GENDER GENDER....
The chance of having a female PM or DPM is 0% in a PAP-led govt.
Originally posted by qpicanto:"What turned you away from PAP?"--
It is puzzling that former PM Goh had to step down to make way for someone you know who.
wiki : As Secretary General, Goh led the PAP to three general election victories in 1991, 1997, and 2001, in which the party won 61%, 65% and 75% of the votes respectively. After the general election in 2001, Goh indicated that he would step down as Prime Minister after leading the country out of the recession.
and that time he how old only ?
What's more puzzling was the rolling out of titles like MM,SM. Something unheard of in a democracy and it is a turnoff for many.
Anything is possible with LKY.
GCT led the PAP to resounding victory, but he could only do it by cheating.
Why is SKT of the SPP so sore about not being able to contest in Braddell Heights from 1997 onwards? He almost claimed that seat in 1991, but it was merged into Marine Parade GRC later on.
As for female PM, maybe Hazel Poa can be one, provided NSP can claim victory in 2016.
"In November 2004, Lee sparked a national debate when he revealed a proposal to build two Integrated Resorts (IRs) which are holiday resorts with casinos. In April 2005, despite substantial opposition expressed by the public, Lee announced the decision to approve the proposal. The two IRs are to be built in Marina Bay and Sentosa. To limit the negative social impact of casino gambling, Lee suggested that safeguards be implemented, such as prohibiting minors from entering the casinos and charging a SGD$100 entrance fee for Singaporeans and permanent residents or SGD$2000 for a year-long entrance fee." Wik
The scourge of his casinos decision will continues to take its toll on on Singaporeans lives into the future.
This turns many many voters away from PAP.
Originally posted by iveco:GCT led the PAP to resounding victory, but he could only do it by cheating.
Why is SKT of the SPP so sore about not being able to contest in Braddell Heights from 1997 onwards? He almost claimed that seat in 1991, but it was merged into Marine Parade GRC later on.
As for female PM, maybe Hazel Poa can be one, provided NSP can claim victory in 2016.
PAP is probably the least open to women in the top party leadership.
PAP is not keen of having a female PM or DPM at all.
Originally posted by 4sg:Young people dont want to see hiphop, gyrating MPs on stage. When they ask for oranges and PAP seduces them with apples - trouble brewing in the horizon.
I think this analogy is more apt:
PAP is trying to seduce the young people with sony walkman casette players but the young people are looking for iphone4.
if they had not blindly women chartered those sluts.....i would have supported them with great loyalty...
the country wouldn't be where it is without the PAP....me thinx this is something we should be grateful for. We're doing alot 'better' than many countries.
however, perhaps they need to revise the continuation of the way things are done in this day and age and acknowledge the current and emerging issues...otherwise the trend of the last GE may become an increasing factor.
the other thing is that it's easy to want change and all...but fact is...is there anyone else out there that will be able to do a better job? I'm not saying one way or the other, but change for the sake of change is not always good.
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