What turned you away from PAP?
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Thanks for sharing. What is your view on CPF policy? for example, to set aside 100 over thousand dollars in retirement account when you are 55 years old.
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
Will tax rebate help?
no/low income, tax rebate how to help?
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if u give them an easy life they will shit on u, if u keep them on their toes, they will noe who are their masters
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
Bread and Butter Issues?
Foreign talent policy?
Education system?
Ever increasing price for HDB flats?
etc?
all of the above plus many more...
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
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How about PUB bill rebate and baby bonus?people have no time/$ to get marry/make baby, what's the use of baby bonus.
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How about income supplement for low-wage workers?
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Is there a country Singapore can emulate?
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Mainstream education is cheap and affordable, as compared to other countries. That is until you factor in the "optional" components, like enrichment classes, tuition etc
You only need to pay $5 in actualu school fees, but the enrichment lessons, such as piano lessons, art lessons, martial arts lessons, swimming lessons can easily cost up to $200/month per course.
When it comes to tertiary education, well, $7-8k/yr for 4 years means that uni education is quite costly, and graduates join the workforce with a crushing debt to repay, interest-free or not.
All that is still tolerable. But something that I'm very unsatisfied with is that after graduation from school (at any level), we do not seem to be drawing first-world level pay? Comparing the wage level with other developed countries, it seems that we are still stuck somewhere between a developing country and a developed country.
Yes, we make more money than our neighbours in the asean region, but still pales in comparison to the regional first world country in this part of the world. Namely, Japan and Australia.
something is missing somewhere, with a discrepancy between our educational level and our pay scale.
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Originally posted by Insg:
people have no time/$ to get marry/make baby, what's the use of baby bonus.
Why bother to make baby, only for the baby to suffer from the competition brought about by foreigners of the future?
Why bother to waste all your resource to groom your own child, when your government is shooting you in the foot by sourcing for cheaper foreign 'talents' to compete with your child?
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
How about income supplement for low-wage workers?
income supplement has a serious flaw. It discourages people from being productive.
To give out income supplement, a wage cap will have to be imposed, with different tiers of people receiving different amount of wage supplements.
In terms of generating employment, it works well, since people would first have to find a job before qualifiying for wage supplement.
However, it also discourages people from working beyond that cap, or else they would risk not qualifying for the supplement, and thus limiting productivity.
There are often news report of people who work long hours, or worked in multiple jobs, to improve their income. These are the people who ended up being penalised by their hardwork, where their increased income causes them to not qualify for income supplements. "Laziness" is rewarded while "productivity" is penalised.
Would it be better if we just ensure that everyone makes more money by increasing the basic pay? The more they work, the larger their income.
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I visited China sometime in Feb 2011. A Chinese national shared with me his impression of Singaporeans. He said in Mandarin: "Majority of Singaporeans are naive and obedient." Do you agree with his statement?
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
I visited China sometime in Feb 2011. A Chinese national shared with me his impression of Singaporeans. He said in Mandarin: “Majority of Singaporeans are naive and obedient.”
Do you agree with his statement?
Obedient, no. We go by common sense, with a do, but don't get caught mentality.
Naive. Yes. Very. Some people have been so utterly brainwashed, in school, in church, by their family(also brainwashed as well), that they believe that singapore is a perfect world.
They are sheltered from many things, and really take things for granted, and perceive that whatever policies Singapore has are the right ones, and everyone else is wrong.
E.g.
The belief that paying politicians well will prevent corruption.
The belief that its just a coincidence that Temasek's Ho Ching; present and former PM Lees; President Tony Tan; ex-ceo of Singtel, Lee Hsien Yang are either from the same family, or are related in one way or another.
The belief that the government is not responsible for the gains and loss of GIC, where LKY serves as senior advisor, LHL serve as chairman, with a couple of ministers serving as directors.
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cost of living...everybody are facing this problem now.
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Social cohesiveness? In my humble opinion, I called it the social class divideness.
We have PAP elite, PAP grassroots, Youth PAP kids, Daft.
Yea, I'm daft. 5 years later we are going to vote PAP out with 60.1% mandate
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
Naive. Yes. Very. Some people have been so utterly brainwashed, in school, in church, by their family(also brainwashed as well), that they believe that singapore is a perfect world.
I don't like this political naivety among Singaporeans.
It is caused by PAP state propaganda media and brainwashing in schools.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 25:
I don't like this political naivety among Singaporeans.
It is caused by PAP state propaganda media and brainwashing in schools.
For waking up too late or not at all, they deserve what they get.
The people supported PAP and treated opp like criminals. I think they fully deserve their fate.
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wait till they join the workforce, then will they see the "spoil-marketing" by FTs
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their tyrannical stances...
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Originally posted by alize:
For waking up too late or not at all, they deserve what they get.
The people supported PAP and treated opp like criminals. I think they fully deserve their fate.
they should respect the opposition members. After all they are sporean too. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
cost of living...everybody are facing this problem now.
GST cut can make our lives better in current situation? How about from 7% to 5%? -
Originally posted by Llg2178:
What can PAP do to win your support?
make them one of us,
to be begin withm, cut the ministers pay and take responsibilities. Did UBS chairman have anything to do with the rogue trader who lost $2 billion? why did he have to resign? ministers are not paid just to do a job, they are paid to take responsibilities.
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
Will tax rebate help?
you take first, then you give us from the remaining?
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
What has WP done to win support?
they don't aim to take over the government in the short term, that shows a total absence of personal agenda. They are credible.
they speak of the same vision. They are united.
they are clear in their vision and goals, they knows what they want for Singapore.
they develop themselves, with more qualified people and younger people. They have foresight.
some of their mp give up their jobs to serve fulltime....they don't take serving the people as a career that demands high salaries, that is what something the PAP can learn.
Comparatively, Tan JS thought he can form an opposition alliance to take over the government in the next election. Just this alone, WP stands out as a credible opposition for the people of Singapore, as compared to the politicians riding on the dissatifaction of the people to achieve their own personal ambition.
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Originally posted by Llg2178:
I visited China sometime in Feb 2011. A Chinese national shared with me his impression of Singaporeans. He said in Mandarin: “Majority of Singaporeans are naive and obedient.”
Do you agree with his statement?
Singaporeans are more sophiscated than many of us thought. So can't use "majority" to describe what you see here.
Naive? yes, many who think because the PAP is no good, so anybody anti PAP would be good.
Obedient? no, Singaporean don't follow what the government says if they do not agree, and often they do not object to the government policies simply because there is no better alternative. This is life, and majority of Singaporeans know what is life!
You must tell your Chinese friend that it is naive to believe 100% what he read on the internet, that is the problem with many Chinese now.
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Thank you for your active participation. Conclusion Singaporeans are unhappy because of the following reasons: High cost of living, More competition from immigrants for jobs, scholarships etc, Our concerns are not being heard by the ruling party, Therefore we want an alternative voice to represent us in parliament. Wishing you good luck and good health. And lastly be happy. :)