Will PAP allow its past MPs & Ministers to join opposition ?
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The recent developments in the opposition parties are refeshing ie more and better candidates are joining the opposition. With the latest the former principal private secretary Mr Tan Jee Say joining SDP, the PAP has to face former top civil servants who no longer agreed with the recent policies adopted by the PAP government.
Will PAP allow its former MPs and Ministers and permanent secretaries to join the opposition to voice their disagreements with the recent policies adopted by the government for the betterment of Singapore ?
Has the PM mis-calculated in the choosing of the current batch or mix of candidates and he did not expect the former top civil servants, scholarship holders, outstanding and successful individuals to join the opposition for the coming election and as a result many of current PAP candidates pale in comparison to these opposition candidates ?
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I think the real problem is that since PAP took over in 1959, PAP had deliberately created a repressive atmosphere in politics and depoliticised Singapore society which resulted in a lack of quality political leaders.
As Toh Chin Chye saw the problem clearly:
In a rare public interview in 1997 Radio Corporation of Singapore, Dr Toh passionately bemoaned the lack of idealism and creativity among the young and its implications for the future of Singapore. He said:“I would say the generation of the ‘50s and ‘60s took the plunge into politics without ever calculating the costs of the risk and the benefits to be gained. They were driven by ideology.
Today’s generation has no culture and averse to taking political risk.
Really, an interest in politics is very necessary for the future.
But I cannot blame the present generations, because they see the heavy-handed response by the government to dissenting views, even though they know that these matters involve their daily lives.
So the result is that we have produced a younger generation who are meek and therefore very calculating.They are less independent-thinking and lack in initiative.
It does not bode well for the emergence of future leaders in politics and business. Robots and computers can be programmed or if you like, can be trained.
But the trouble, of course, is that computers lack soul and what we need in Singapore is soul. Because it is soul that makes society.”
http://singaporegovt.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-ii-true-founders-of-singapore-man.html
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PAP should not allow any ex civil servants to join opposition, that's even easier to implement, just add a clause to their employment terms.
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The PAP team lacklustre.
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Originally posted by ditzy:
PAP should not allow any ex civil servants to join opposition, that's even easier to implement, just add a clause to their employment terms.
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The PAP is reaping what they sow, by destroying a generation of political, intellectual and cultural life, they can no longer produce or attract quality politicians into their ranks.
Singapore politics must change in order to survive. PAP can't do it. They can't change.
We have to turn to opposition.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
The PAP is reaping what they sow, by destroying a generation of political, intellectual and cultural life, they can no longer produce or attract quality politicians into their ranks.
Singapore politics must change in order to survive. PAP can't do it. They can't change.
We have to turn to opposition.
They are only good to attract "yes sir and yes madam" "cablire". -
For ex-civil servants, they are there to perform their job.
It does not mean they have to support the political party that the government have formed.
It is time to recognise and exercise your democratic right to ask the right questions to move Singapore forward and not become a toy and jackpot machine for certain group of individuals.
Threat and instilling fear no longer worked as the speaker have lost the respect due to their incompetency.
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That is highly possible when LKY passes on. If they do it while he's still alive, i think old man sees it as a form of betrayal and he will rise from his grave to "set things right" lol.
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It is actually an individual choice.
There is nothing the old man can do except make things difficult or dig out the past.
The voters will also have difficulties in trusting a renegade.
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i waiting to see which force retired general will join the opposition party.
as i belive these officers simply lack the imagination and guts to take the plunge.
i salute these scholars otherthan the SAF scholars, which those i had encounter simply just a bunch of spoilt young men who believe from the day they join SAF they are future leaders of armed forces and Singapore.
i say fuxxk it.
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neah, there will be a split comin
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
I think the real problem is that since PAP took over in 1959, PAP had deliberately created a repressive atmosphere in politics and depoliticised Singapore society which resulted in a lack of quality political leaders.
As Toh Chin Chye saw the problem clearly:
In a rare public interview in 1997 Radio Corporation of Singapore, Dr Toh passionately bemoaned the lack of idealism and creativity among the young and its implications for the future of Singapore. He said:http://singaporegovt.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-ii-true-founders-of-singapore-man.html
If indeed the political atmosphere in repressive in Singapore, then the WP and Chiam must be part of PAP. I salute people like Low TK, Sylvia Lim, Chiam...and the group of people who have been standing as opposition for years. If indeed singapore society is depoliticised, then the candidates, from all parties are now asking for a highly paid jobs, are they not politicians, with political ideas?
As for "quality political leaders", I don't put you up in the position of leaders, earning the salary, and later then decide if you have the quality. You tell me if you have the quality to be a leader!!!
Election battles are getting more and more interesting in Singapore, because there are more and more qualified people coming forward, and the ruling party is now less able to disqualified opposition with law suit or any other reasons.
Let's do some credit to the oppositions, see some positive remarks about what they can do now. Hammering the pap will not make the opposition any better. No matter how stinking the others are, it does not alter the fact that you are a piece of sh i t.
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all i can say is that the first and foremost requirement of the MIW is that they are loyal to the party above the state...
and for an example of that, i give you Goh Chok Tong...
you can see the guy is not a happy man but is still being made to do the things he does and say the things he says by the MIW... and he's doing it...
maybe they own his soul...
so that's your answer...
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When more mps resign from the post and go into opposition ward, then there will be highly chances that pap might get toppled down.
But then it there is a clause (in the appointment letter) stating something like cannot join other political party, then too bad.
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Judging from their past behaviour,i doubt they will have the "Big heart" to allow past ministers or MPs to join Opposition parties.
And one thing i dont like about PAP ministers is that they are soo afraid of muslim,really...GAY!!!!
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Originally posted by the Bear:
all i can say is that the first and foremost requirement of the MIW is that they are loyal to the party above the state...
and for an example of that, i give you Goh Chok Tong...
you can see the guy is not a happy man but is still being made to do the things he does and say the things he says by the MIW... and he's doing it...
maybe they own his soul...
so that's your answer...
Got Choked Tongue should retire.
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Your statement is insulting to these MPs!
They are loyal to the PAP and Singapore. Even if they have different views, they will feedback to the PM and the party, not joining the opposition.
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Originally posted by Redwhite spore:
Your statement is insulting to these MPs!
They are loyal to the PAP and Singapore. Even if they have different views, they will feedback to the PM and the party, not joining the opposition.
How is contributing to the nation, insulting? Loyal to the party or the country and its people?
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
How is contributing to the nation, insulting? Loyal to the party or the country and its people?
Why don't u say the opposition applying to join the PAP?
Wouldn't that be insulting?Pls be fair to the past PAP MPs who have served our country so well
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Originally posted by Redwhite spore:
Why don't u say the opposition applying to join the PAP?
Wouldn't that be insulting?Pls be fair to the past PAP MPs who have served our country so well
I don't see anything wrong with Opposition defecting to PAP and vice versa.
They are humans. They have the right to join the party which is of best interest to Singapore for the long run.
LKY used to be under Progressive Party before he formed his own party. So are you saying it is an insult to LKY?
Under what circumstances do you consider it an insult? Integrity towards Party or Nation.
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But honourable MM Lee formed the PAP, not joined another party!
Get your facts right! PAP was formed and the rest is history.
PAP!
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get it through your thick skull..
PAP is NOT Singapore..
if you think so, you're a problem and a danger to the country...
nothing is bigger than the country... definitely not some political party..
remember this: it is a political party.. nothing more, maybe a lot less
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Originally posted by Redwhite spore:
But honourable MM Lee formed the PAP, not joined another party!
Get your facts right! PAP was formed and the rest is history.
PAP!
Instead of discussing, you are just a troll.
Party before Nation?
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Originally posted by the Bear:
get it through your thick skull..
PAP is NOT Singapore..
if you think so, you're a problem and a danger to the country...
nothing is bigger than the country... definitely not some political party..
remember this: it is a political party.. nothing more, maybe a lot less
Ya, PAP is kind of my yearly Smear PAP test, if no problem can go on for another year, it got nothing to do with the country, what is important is my life and the medical test, am I going to be control by PAP or be free to take the test