Press freedom: The Singapore grip
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Originally posted by Wmyongj:
Let be fair lah. ST report more for the government than for the ppl. The amplified the stories for PAP but I dont think they distorb it. They intelligently 'control' those that can be reported and those least reported. But they still report it.At least PAP dont block the internet for facebook, twitter or youtude.
Ha, PAP aren't that so stupid, by blocking internet which they encouraged people to use and go global will be a major set back for them, that will show a true uneven playing field, a true dictatorial rule here, and the result can be more lost than they thot of winning. -
Originally posted by Leomanz:
2 b realistic, pap will still win tis election.
BUT ........
anyting below 65% will c lhl shitting in his pant.
Maybe they will win this election hands down and trounce the opposition with 85% votes and all seats in parliament.
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arent you sick and tired that PAP candidates are related to the GLC, military, statudary board, dynasty left and right wing relative members.
. civil servants has become part of the PAP arm. sooner or later, we dont even trust the govt coz we cant differentiate the between the civil servant working in the govt ministeries and the PAP members.
potential to be libya style of govt here.
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even PM lee secretary wife the young 27 yeard olso can join as MP.
only a emperor can assign post to his relatives. Singapore we can too. UNIQUELY SINGAPORE!!!
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Originally posted by reyes:
arent you sick and tired that PAP candidates are related to the GLC, military, statudary board, dynasty left and right wing relative members.
Only people from public sector seems willing to join PAP and serve their agenda and play their puppet role in parliament.
People from private sector cannot even give a fuck to PAP.
Dare to strike it out in real cut throat business world. These are the real independent, forceful people that Singapore needs.
Not PAP puppets.
But independent people know that PAP politics is all just a facade, they have no wish whatsoever to play the role of PAP stooge.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
Only people from public sector seems willing to join PAP and serve their agenda and play their puppet role in parliament.
People from private sector cannot even give a fuck to PAP. These are the real indepedent, forceful people that Singapore needs.
Not PAP puppets.
you are right. that why top civil servants get paid high salary. Singapore are not alone is using promotion and high salary to induce civil servant to be ruling party puppets.In china, if you are communist party members and working in civil service, your chances of promotion is higher. Singapore we are the same!!!
sooner or later i dont even trust the civil servant anymore. they are just puppets of the ruling party,
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Originally posted by reyes:
sooner or later i dont even trust the civil servant anymore. they are just puppets of the ruling party,
They are all part of the same dead system.
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Originally posted by reyes:
arent you sick and tired that PAP candidates are related to the GLC, military, statudary board, dynasty left and right wing relative members.
. civil servants has become part of the PAP arm. sooner or later, we dont even trust the govt coz we cant differentiate the between the civil servant working in the govt ministeries and the PAP members.
potential to be libya style of govt here.
absolutely. if the supposedly politically neutral elections department can be in such a hurry to pass the video 'evidence' to the PAP before polling day to make a big fuss (8 out of 9 campaigning days) out of it, we know how democracy works here, we know how much we can trust civil servants not to be part of the regime.
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Originally posted by reyes:
even PM lee secretary wife the young 27 yeard olso can join as MP.
only a emperor can assign post to his relatives. Singapore we can too. UNIQUELY SINGAPORE!!!
27 years old is ok if you show maturity in thought or at least show you have a desire to help the people.
But so far, the public has yet to find even one redeeming factor in her that justifies her selection.
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Originally posted by reyes:
Press freedom: The Singapore grip
The country presents itself as a modern liberal democracy yet has an autocratic political culture
- Editorial
- The Guardian, Wednesday 17 November 2010
- Article history
Singapore is proud of its place near the top of many international rankings. Its school system is by some measures the world's best. The island state promotes itself as diverse, competitive and cultured – an exciting global hub. But there are two league tables which shame Singapore. The first, compiled by the campaigning group Reporters Without Borders, places the country 136th in the world for press freedom – below Iraq and Zimbabwe. The second is the rate at which Singapore executes convicted criminals: arguably higher, per capita, than any other country in the world.
Singapore presents itself as a modern liberal democracy: it has a parliament, elections, courts, a constitutional right to free speech and the consumerist gloss of capitalism. Its citizens are free to become rich and to travel. Many do both. The country has by any measure succeeded since independence. But its autocratic political culture – overseen by the country's founding father and now official minister mentor Lee Kuan Yew – is highly and needlessly restrictive. The media is largely state-owned. Defamation and contempt laws threaten dissent. The latest victim of these is Alan Shadrake, a British-born writer sentenced yesterday to six weeks in prison and a large fine after being found guilty of contempt of court. His book Once a Jolly Hangman questioned the independence of Singapore's legal system, and its use of the death penalty.
It is depressing that a country as successful as Singapore should feel the need for such restrictions on free speech. Singapore argues that, without them, the balance between the country's Chinese, Malay and Indian populations would be upset. But the reality is that other successful parts of Asia – Hong Kong and Taiwan, for instance – have thrived by extending free speech and the rule of law. Singapore is making itself a less significant place by refusing to give its people the sorts of freedoms that are routine elsewhere.
On a practical level, the decision to prosecute Mr Shadrake was also foolish. His book has had far greater attention because of it, and Singapore's reputation has been harmed. Mr Shadrake is quite right to attack a criminal justice system whose victims are often poor migrant workers. His book was legitimate and – despite the court's claim to the contrary – largely accurate. The suspicion is that the Singapore government resented the exposure of a squalid system of routine executions which sits uneasily with the image it likes to present to the world. Singapore wants to be judged as a first-world nation. It must find the confidence to allow its citizens the freedoms that go with that status. Repression is not the route to success. In the end, it will prove its enemy
Obvious isn't it?It is proven that it is possible to live in prosperity in a developed nation while having its citizen's human rights and freedom of speech being trampled upon.
Look at China, their citizens can be prosperous while having the same human rights as those of North Korean citizens.
PAP is making excuse about racial harmony to suppress individual free spech. Alan Shadrake is just another scapegoat caught in the quagmire of singapore's zero tolerance towards anybody who dares to question PAP policy and governance.
If I were Alan, I would publish the book then flee back to England.
We have now reach the economic stage we want to be in. So why are we still obligated to support PAP? I don't care if the other opposition parties are not ready nor competent enough the govern the country. The important thing is that the government must serve the people not they dictating how we should or should not behave. This is democracy. Power to the people.
We should now be seeking for more freedom. Its time to give PAP their wake up call. Even if they win, we must cut down their 2/3 majority so they will know how the people feel about high prices, over-immigration and over stress work policies. No sufficient protection for employees, its time for labour unions to rise up and protect employee rights. It is time for the ordinary singapore to have the guts to speak out against the government without having fear of reprisals or lawsuits. I call for the overhaul of the court judicial system so PAP would not unfairly use this to sue opposition lawmakers for legitimate statements they have to make in their role as check and balances in the govt.
Its time we grow out of the stupid LKY mentality and chart the course of the nation with our own free will.
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Originally posted by Siliconchip:
Lol, Singapore has never presented itself as a modern liberal democracy. Everyone everywhere else in the world knows that Singapore is a dictatorship, only Singaporeans think that Singapore is a democracy as most of us are delusional fools.
Of course. That's why:
-Singapore supports China.
-Singapore supports Burma, says arms sales to Burma are "defensive" only.
-Singapore warned Egypt protesters to "be patient" and not to seek too much change.
-Lee Kuan Yew always says there is a western liberal democracy to sink Singapore. As if they get anything out of it.
-Singapore says many people admire its system.
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Originally posted by Dr Language:
Obvious isn't it?It is proven that it is possible to live in prosperity in a developed nation while having its citizen's human rights and freedom of speech being trampled upon.
Look at China, their citizens can be prosperous while having the same human rights as those of North Korean citizens.
PAP is making excuse about racial harmony to suppress individual free spech. Alan Shadrake is just another scapegoat caught in the quagmire of singapore's zero tolerance towards anybody who dares to question PAP policy and governance.
If I were Alan, I would publish the book then flee back to England.
We have now reach the economic stage we want to be in. So why are we still obligated to support PAP? I don't care if the other opposition parties are not ready nor competent enough the govern the country. The important thing is that the government must serve the people not they dictating how we should or should not behave. This is democracy. Power to the people.
We should now be seeking for more freedom. Its time to give PAP their wake up call. Even if they win, we must cut down their 2/3 majority so they will know how the people feel about high prices, over-immigration and over stress work policies. No sufficient protection for employees, its time for labour unions to rise up and protect employee rights. It is time for the ordinary singapore to have the guts to speak out against the government without having fear of reprisals or lawsuits. I call for the overhaul of the court judicial system so PAP would not unfairly use this to sue opposition lawmakers for legitimate statements they have to make in their role as check and balances in the govt.
Its time we grow out of the stupid LKY mentality and chart the course of the nation with our own free will.
you are right. i mean generally , the older generation in their 50s and above are basically strong supporters of the PAP. they dont blog but they always cast their vote to the MIW. that is why dispite the widespread unhappinese here in internet, the actual vote count during election is very much different.
i grow whereby my mom told me, PAP can track the vote if you vote for opposition.
she even told me, i cannot get a flat if i dont vote for PAP.
being rebellious, i dont give a shxt. i am glad i am still alive and earning a living.
an elected govt should listen to the ppl demands and not interbal debate among its ministers which is less than 20 ppl opinion. If we still cant see how singapore should be govern, i feel sorry for singaporeans and for our future. i dont wana die in a country where i am a minority and foreigners rule my land of birth.
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Originally posted by reyes:
you are right. i mean generally , the older generation in their 50s and above are basically strong supporters of the PAP. they dont blog but they always cast their vote to the MIW. that is why dispite the widespread unhappinese here in internet, the actual vote count during election is very much different.
i grow whereby my mom told me, PAP can track the vote if you vote for opposition.
she even told me, i cannot get a flat if i dont vote for PAP.
being rebellious, i dont give a shxt. i am glad i am still alive and earning a living.
an elected govt should listen to the ppl demands and not interbal debate among its ministers which is less than 20 ppl opinion. If we still cant see how singapore should be govern, i feel sorry for singaporeans and for our future. i dont wana die in a country where i am a minority and foreigners rule my land of birth.
Right said my comrade !We are too tied to our material wealth. PAP can take anything but they don't own our soul.
We must not be blackmailed and have fear if we want our future generations to have a say who they want to govern them.
Or else our children will be outnumbered by PRC and Indian kids and they jobs taken away by immigrants.
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You are outdated. The old generation is dying, FTs are brought in to replace them.
2001: population 4.02M, citizens 2.98M, voters 2.35M
2011: population 5.07M, citizens 3.23M, voters 2.03MHow did population increase so much but voters increase so little? Cos the old generation died and 300,000 granted citizenship. More on the way =)
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Originally posted by reyes:
you are right. i mean generally , the older generation in their 50s and above are basically strong supporters of the PAP. they dont blog but they always cast their vote to the MIW. that is why dispite the widespread unhappinese here in internet, the actual vote count during election is very much different.
i grow whereby my mom told me, PAP can track the vote if you vote for opposition.
she even told me, i cannot get a flat if i dont vote for PAP.
being rebellious, i dont give a shxt. i am glad i am still alive and earning a living.
an elected govt should listen to the ppl demands and not interbal debate among its ministers which is less than 20 ppl opinion. If we still cant see how singapore should be govern, i feel sorry for singaporeans and for our future. i dont wana die in a country where i am a minority and foreigners rule my land of birth.
Actually, the younger generation can't ready blame them.
It is quit hard for this deprived, less educated, less tech savvy, less global in outlook generation to understand the concepts of psychological manipulation, complex gerrymandering, strategic pre-emption.
But this generation is also a generation that can be strongly swayed by greed and fear.The PAP understands how this generation thinks.
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Originally posted by 4sg:
Actually, the younger generation can't ready blame them.
It is quit hard for this deprived, less educated, less tech savvy, less global in outlook generation to understand the concepts of psychological manipulation, complex gerrymandering, strategic pre-emption.
But this generation is also a generation that can be strongly swayed by greed and fear.The PAP understands how this generation thinks.
Plus it votes on background noise from state-owned media. This is a generation that doesn't want to listen to anything else, and instinctively shoots down alternative voices.
Every country has the government it deserves. A classic case.
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http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/05/wah-lau-tnp-buay-pai-seh-ah/
I am not a fan of any party but from the way the bias media tries to twist and turn facts, it can only backfire on them.
