PAP MPs rebut Workers' Party Chairman
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Originally posted by Wiser:
Zero GST for the poor and middle income, tax the rich 20% , 50% for their purchase of luxury wines, mercs, yacht, branded goods and clothes for all i care.
How does the GST be re-distributed to the poor ? any stats to support. Which home get $$$.
Also why still need so many charity shows if GST can help the poor ?
Charity to help the less-fortunate.
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so the Fortunate gets tax and the less fortunate gets $ .
But how do you really know that the fortunate is not the less fortunate ?
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one men though is another men poison
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Originally posted by kira.sg:
I also don't know why 66% of the voters supported them.
shall bring this to the front. overwhelming support for our lonely voice in parliament on such a critical issue deserves front page attention during this important period. this is what i've learnt from the excellent marketing team of the govt, the media.
from what i see around me, friends & relatives, there are mainly 2 big groups voting for them. the possibility of identification by the serial number on the voting slip has a huge psychological effect on one group, i suppose mainly civil servants & special interest group. of course, there is the diehard pap supporters group among these.
the other group is one that largely ignorant about politics and is totally mesmerised by the marketing done by the media & may have possibly not travelled outside of the country to do good comparison. 'this govt is doing quite well mah' is what i've heard frequently. seems like we got to do some marketing on our own.
no use forcing our opinions on them, i realised, may have opposite effect, just raise their awareness. this leaves the rest of the 33.3% of us who on internet which they cannot control, who are objective enough to decide what is right or wrong
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
Actually, you don't need GST.
You just need luxury tax.
For goods/service above $500 per item, 15% tax.
Wtf. That is ridiculous.
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Actually GST is not even necessary, since we have income tax. The government taxes people when they earn, and again when they spend. That is just stupid.
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maybe they should have different taxes for different things
1)necessities like public transport & food & education 5%
2)"luxuries" like condo / landed property / lambo / porsche / travel / beer 15%
but i guess PAP MPs are just YES men who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves to think deeper. They DON't add value to citizens or solve problems only know how to take easy way out!!!! and anyhow scold oppoisition ...
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haha U don't more human to counter barking dogs: u need dog trainers haha
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But Holland-Bukit Timah GRC MP Christopher De Souza flatly turned down this suggestion.
"It is surprising that Mr Low is suggesting to lower the GST. Who does the Workers' Party really want to help? High income earners, as we know, consume more, and therefore pay higher GST. And we know in that pool of tax collected, it gets redistributed to lower-income earners."mr MP de souza, i am not stupid to believe that GST are tax for the rich. there is so much the rich can eat and drink.
govt should abolish the GST system altogether and use other tax methods such as someone mention luxury tax, higher property tax for second home.
These GST are only means of despot govt trying to expand civil service population that ensure their vote come election. higher president , MP, minister salary.
stop treating us like fools as we know who is trying to help the poor and who is not.
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govt already had so many ways to earn money from singaporeans that GST was not even necessary at all.
as i mention earlier COE alone can net govt around 700-1 billion a year. ( not even car makers of mazda, subaru, mitsubishi can claim that net profits.
workers levy can also net govt more than 1 billion a year.
other tax we pay.
1. ERP, road tax
2. income tax,
3. GST
4. property tax.
5. casino tax.( + entrace fee).
6. indirect petrol tax ( 40cents /litres).
You call that helping the ppl of singapore? or do it fatter the govt coffers for you blood suckers to draw and justify your million dollars salary?
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Originally posted by charlize:
Nonsense.
Increasing GST is to help the poor.
I don't know how they do it, but I believe them because they tell me to trust them.
Pple who said that increasing gst to help the poor means that those pple who supported thise are those that never been poor before. They ae those born in the silver spoon.
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I'm more interested about Budget VS Shadow Budget...
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Budget (give and return)
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jackneo say "I NOT SUPID"
though im poor n trying make end meet,
i suffered , like many other, paying gst.
They say wat they like ............. n ............... i vote wat i wish
So ............ i wont sell my vote 4 $800 over 5 yrs??
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We love GST.
Repeat.
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Originally posted by reyes:
govt already had so many ways to earn money from singaporeans that GST was not even necessary at all.
as i mention earlier COE alone can net govt around 700-1 billion a year. ( not even car makers of mazda, subaru, mitsubishi can claim that net profits.
workers levy can also net govt more than 1 billion a year.
other tax we pay.
1. ERP, road tax
2. income tax,
3. GST
4. property tax.
5. casino tax.( + entrace fee).
6. indirect petrol tax ( 40cents /litres).
You call that helping the ppl of singapore? or do it fatter the govt coffers for you blood suckers to draw and justify your million dollars salary?
very creative indeed, the taxman. a bit here, a bit there and it becomes a mountain for the poor and also the average person like me
the huge power of GST is that, it cause other expenses which does not show GST is being charged to increase as well.
-merchants use the excuse of GST to increase prices whether or not they are affected
-food, milk powder & diapers at supermarket
-public transport council to increase bus and mrt fares by few cents only
every year.-child care centres to increase citing 'costs'. children school bus to increase
-phones and utility charges (these 2 are shown but just to show how far GST can reach me)
send your children to child care, we are screwed by GST & fuel tax, try to siam this tax & employ a maid instead? still screwed by maid levy & again fuel tax.
$800 hongbao? this is the first place i know that i have to declare first on 15 april how much i want to 'bao' for someone before receiving the return hongbao. very kind indeed
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If you want higher prices and inflation vote for PAP.
I am not trying to say, if you vote for opposition prices will come downbut at least we need someone in parliament other than the 2 opposition members to fight and question the necessity of various taxes.
i admire the courage and chiam for daring to continue to voice up for singaporeans. If we dont show them equal support there will be non left to fight for average joe like us. fighting for our survival against inflation, raising property prices( in my opinion a bubble), fighting jobs against foreigners. why do we need this kind of govt?
if we compare to gaddafi,yeah probably PAP is better.
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even the germans are fighting against ruling regime and instead vote for the "green".
we singaporeans must stop being cowards and fight for our freedom, media freedom, speech freedom, otherwise, we might one days end up being libya, bahrain, yemen, egypt ruling by single party without election.
the true economic powerhouse has forever been the country that has freedom, lotsa freedom , do not stifle the mind of its ppl. china is exception because of its sheer population, the initial stage of developemnt will be fast, my question is can china maintain the momentum in the next stage of development?
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provided the opposition parties will question Papa until papa give 2000 ang pow money to everyone in 2016.
the 800 very good money leh. Will there be inflation another 5 years. Coupled with opposition parties fighting for more monies for the average?
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trust me, the 800 is really nothing. with the taxes that we have listed above, it can easily add up to at least 200 a month and up to more than 500 a month.
if we were to lose our job to an FT, we cannot even last up to polling day at the rate we are taxed with this 800.
if we were to do a detailed calculation on what the govt owe us up to age 55 as compared to what other first world nations are doing for their people,
the true figure is much closer to a high 6 figure sum than this meagre 800.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
provided the opposition parties will question Papa until papa give 2000 ang pow money to everyone in 2016.
the 800 very good money leh. Will there be inflation another 5 years. Coupled with opposition parties fighting for more monies for the average?
The disparity of rich and poor are widened at almost a few million timesa poor layman can save only $10k, which is consider very good
a rich person can save up to 10millions, which is then consider lower rich.
PAP give $800 to the layman, $200 to the rich man, that is only 3 times different, what a joke.
They are giving me $200
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Originally posted by Wiser:
provided the opposition parties will question Papa until papa give 2000 ang pow money to everyone in 2016.
the 800 very good money leh. Will there be inflation another 5 years. Coupled with opposition parties fighting for more monies for the average?
none of your friends ever warn you before? if the PAP give you $100 this year. they will get back from you $200 next year. you can never beat them
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always remember this quote “天下没有白å�ƒçš„å�ˆé¤�”。
english quote“ no free lunch".
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Originally posted by reyes:
none of your friends ever warn you before? if the PAP give you $100 this year. they will get back from you $200 next year. you can never beat themThis time round some get $900... die liao... $1800 to return to them.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
This time round some get $900... die liao... $1800 to return to them.
You are damn right. paying them $1800 might be a forecast on the downside.If you drive, you are already paying govt 27x of $1800 for a piece of COE.
The property has risen so much in last 5 year,in fact you had already started paying them back xx times of $1800.
Regards,
Jason Ho