Think before you vote
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Originally posted by parn:
I don't think you're trying to convince me from the way you are putting it across.
yeah. unlike others (not refering to you), i dont make it a personal mission to convince everyone to think the same way as myself. i can accept differing opinions
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
yeah. unlike others (not refering to you), i dont make it a personal mission to convince everyone to think the same way as myself. i can accept differing opinions
yeah, you are not like parn, who everyday too free come sgforum to post rubbish -
Originally posted by dechang:
If the PAP gets voted out in the next election, parn might even lose her pathetic $1.5k salary job and end up with a $500 salary job a month that is why she is so afraid that her beloved PAP might lose
So losing job is something sad to worry about?Ohh...somebody have job insecurities problem in their lives!
Usually people with job insecurities is only when they are not good at their job or they don't know what the hell they are doing at their job.
They just hang desperately onto their current job and keep praying that they don't lose their job.
dechang seems to fit my description.
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Originally posted by parn:
So losing job is something sad to worry about?Ohh...somebody have job insecurities problem in their lives!
Usually people with job insecurities is only when they are not good at their job or they don't know what the hell they are doing at their job.
is this your honest opinion of everyone who had been retrenched?
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Originally posted by dechang:
yeah, you are not like parn, who everyday too free come sgforum to post rubbishanticipating post about one of us being the other's clone
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
is this your honest opinion of everyone who had been retrenched?
parn is just jealous that we have a better job than her as she got retrechned from her $1500 salary job recently -
aiya, aunty, $1500 only, retrench or not also make no differences lah, retrench lagi good, can get retrenchment benefit, than go find a $1600 job lah, so many out there...
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Originally posted by angel7030:
aiya, aunty, $1500 only, retrench or not also make no differences lah, retrench lagi good, can get retrenchment benefit, than go find a $1600 job lah, so many out there...
but parn cannot find a $1600 job lah.Even if she goes to your pub to work as a prostitute she still can't earn $1600 because her pussy is smelly and rotton
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
is this your honest opinion of everyone who had been retrenched?
Retrenchment is an entirely different thing because it is not related to personal work performance or work abilities.You want to tell me what's their difference since you brought out such big guns to trap my opinions?
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Originally posted by dechang:
but parn cannot find a $1600 job lah.Even if she goes to your pub to work as a prostitute she still can't earn $1600 because her pussy is smelly and rotton
Why not, she can be the cleaner mah, my bangala cleaners earn around that figure, free meals too -
Originally posted by parn:
Retrenchment is an entirely different thing because it is not related to personal work performance or work abilities.You want to tell me what's their difference since you brought out such big guns to trap my opinions?
Retrenchment is classified under redundancy, under the laws, only those above 3 years of working are entitiled to retrenchment benefit, below will just get a month notice pay -
People who need to worry about their job securities, definitely cannot do better at work compared to people who don't have such worries.
The more you worry, the more likely it will happened to you.
It's like your subconscious will automatically adjust your mind to achieve your hidden worry at the back of your mind.
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Originally posted by parn:
Retrenchment is an entirely different thing because it is not related to personal work performance or work abilities.You want to tell me what's their difference since you brought out such big guns to trap my opinions?
i believe one who was retrenched will face job security issues on their next job (if they can find one), especially if they are over 40s and have family to feed.
hence i don't buy your "Usually people with job insecurities is only when they are not good at their job or they don't know what the hell they are doing at their job" argument at all
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i remember a certain poster who kept using cheemilogic english to describe a certain labia flapping lips as an act of attention grabbing and topic derailing.
that poster has since move on to write pretty impressive (to me) articles and comments on another site, while the same 'hum' is still flapping here in the same manner.
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People who are made redundant at their jobs are usually people who don't do well at their jobs from the management point of view.
Retrenchment is when the company itself is experiencing a problem which is likely to cause the company to become insolvent in the near future. And it is not related with the work performance of the retrenched workers.
So who will be more likely to be favour upon? People made redundant at their jobs OR People who were retrenched by their companies?
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
i believe one who was retrenched will face job security issues on their next job (if they can find one), especially if they are over 40s and have family to feed.
hence i don't buy your "Usually people with job insecurities is only when they are not good at their job or they don't know what the hell they are doing at their job" argument at all
People who are confident at their job will not experience job securities issues.You gave me your kind of reply, I already know that you are not good at what you are working in your current job.
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Originally posted by parn:
People who are confident at their job will not experience job securities issues.
You gave me your kind of reply, I already know that you are not good at what you are working in your current job.
your opinon of people with job insecurities 'is only when they are not good at their job or they don't know what the hell they are doing at their job.'
my opinion of people with job insecurities are those facing or fearing retrenchment, the same retrenchment which in your own words 'not related with the work performance of the retrenched workers.'
that's the difference i was pointing out. nothing about who being right or wrong, and nobody needs to make judgement on anyone's character
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
your opinon of people with job insecurities 'is only when they are not good at their job or they don't know what the hell they are doing at their job.'
my opinion of people with job insecurities are those facing or fearing retrenchment, the same retrenchment which in your own words 'not related with the work performance of the retrenched workers.'
that's the difference i was pointing out. nothing about who being right or wrong, and nobody needs to make judgement on anyone's character
Then can you tell me what is causing these people to have such fears of retrenchment?Lack of confidence in their own work? Or did they realised that they will face difficulties in looking for another job because they weren't skilled enough at their job?
Not everyone will have job insecurities even if they shared the common job position and job scope within a company.
And why is that so?
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What happens if u forgot to vote? Is it a chargeable offence?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
What happens if u forgot to vote? Is it a chargeable offence?
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Originally posted by parn:
Then can you tell me what is causing these people to have such fears of retrenchment?
because retrenchment means losing their job and the alternative (again suggested by you) is working for $1.5k per month?
you'll see it better if you were the sole breadwinner of your family in your 40s with your wife waiting for food and children wanting money for studies.
also, you should find out the number of people who were retrenched vs the number of people who were fired for job inefficiency
tl;dr: job insecurity has no correlation to job ability. (you can be confident about your job too even if you dont know nuts)
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Originally posted by parn:
You mean criminal offence?Yup, is it a serious offence?
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
because retrenchment means losing their job and the alternative (again suggested by you) is working for $1.5k per month?
you'll see it better if you were the sole breadwinner of your family in your 40s with your wife waiting for food and children wanting money for studies.
also, you should find out the number of people who were retrenched vs the number of people who were fired for job inefficiency
tl;dr: job insecurity has no correlation to job ability. (you can be confident about your job too even if you dont know nuts)
Only abnormal people would be confident at their job when they know nuts, but are you sure you want to degrade the discussion by going there?You cannot be the sole breadwinner of the family if you are earning only $1500, probably won't be able to keep anyone alive until they are 40s.
Low income families usually would have both husband and wife working to substain the family expenses, and nobody would earn only enough to substain the family expenses as savings has and will always be an important factor in a family.
There's no need to find out the figures for retrenchment and work inefficiency, why would you need that figure for anyway? You mean you need to prove to me that more people would be affected by retrenchment and thus it is a common fear?
Like I have mentioned before, retrenchment is across the company and the fear is not as bad being fired for work inefficiency. People understands that retrenchment is beyond their control and is not related to their work efficiency. But people's job seeking confidence will be greatly affected if they were to be fired for work inefficiency.
Perhaps you have already forgotten the real reason why you were discussing about retrenchment and job inefficiency because you were too focused on these two topics.
If you are talking about retrenchment, then let's imagine this fear of retrenchment will exists in the hearts of every worker in the company. But for some workers with job inefficiency issues, they will have this job inefficiency fear on top of the common fear of retrenchment.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Yup, is it a serious offence?
I think so, they will either fine you or imprison you if you don't have a valid reason for not turning up for voting during an election.