Gang has its roots against oppressive Government ....and address certain social contract that is missing for those who are marginalized in a fuedal society.....and the modern capitalism society.
Where did you think about all the Chinese Gong fu came from and Clan association came from? Now chinese temples....The problems face in Singapore is not just about police and Gang but the undertone of social contract that is not addressing those being marginalized in our little island.
I feel that there are 2 types of gangsters. The smart ones, and the stupid ones. But unfortunately, gangsters here seems to fall predominantly in the latter group.
the smart gangsters create illegal gambling syndicates, legal investments, legal and illegal moneylending.
but the dumb ones just only know how to take orders from the smart ones, without thinking of the consequences. e.g. the back alley gang fights, pimps, drug trafficker, small-time loanshark. These pawns are often the ones getting caught, and the ones who paid for their crimes, while their smart gang chiefs live rich off these disposable pawns.
and often, these pawns are lowly educated people, or people who are lazy to make a honest living, or worse, a combination of both.
often, you can read of school-dropouts being arrested for working as runners for loansharks, or people who want to make easy money. $50 to pour paint at a debtor's house, as oppose to working 8hrs distributing flyers (also $50).
this group of people are the scourge of society, not contributing, and yet making life hard for others.
to cut down on the appeal of gangsterism, it is necessary to impose very harsh penalties, to disuade the potential group of people from even having the thought of joining a gang.
one case study we can use is the negligible number of singaporean drug mules.
Since singapore imposed a mandatory death sentence for those caught of trafficking drugs, we rarely see singaporean (even drug addicts), risking their life to bring in drugs. Most of the traffickers caught are foreigners.
following this train of thought, if we impose very harsh penalties on gang-joining, people who reconsider the risk, and we would see a decrease in gang-related activities, since the number of people involved in the gang circle would be smaller.
You can never elimate gansterism. Only contain it.
Originally posted by deathmaster:wait till one day you are the person getting slash, or kena whacked-up 20 to 1.
then we shall see whether its too serious.
Actually i dont want to say this,but.....Is it ur life is too dull?Thats why ur mind keep thinking of "death penalty,death penalty,death penalty....."even for some minor offences?
Come on,who didnt get involved in fighting at some point of life with others?Other than LKY sons n daughters,or even their grandchildrens,who are heavily body guard n turn out to be a bunch of idiots.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:Gang has its roots against oppressive Government ....and address certain social contract that is missing for those who are marginalized in a fuedal society.....and the modern capitalism society.
Where did you think about all the Chinese Gong fu came from and Clan association came from? Now chinese temples....The problems face in Singapore is not just about police and Gang but the undertone of social contract that is not addressing those being marginalized in our little island.
However, today gangsterism take a different look, we are mostly the rich or middle class kids who got the $$ and time to form a gang anytime, and today, we also have the Computer games and icommunication to influence us, unlike your time, whereby gangs were formed to earn a living and most were poor kids.
Originally posted by Tanrave:Actually i dont want to say this,but.....Is it ur life is too dull?Thats why ur mind keep thinking of "death penalty,death penalty,death penalty....."even for some minor offences?
Come on,who didnt get involved in fighting at some point of life with others?Other than LKY sons n daughters,or even their grandchildrens,who are heavily body guard n turn out to be a bunch of idiots.
well, for lky, his sons, daughters and grandkids, they can alway fight with their dogs
If you eliminate the gangster problem a place can blossom as productive citizens are unimpeded by these lazy boring stupid cowardly human garbage that lack a concience or the ability to do anything
Originally posted by Tanrave:Actually i dont want to say this,but.....Is it ur life is too dull?Thats why ur mind keep thinking of "death penalty,death penalty,death penalty....."even for some minor offences?
Come on,who didnt get involved in fighting at some point of life with others?Other than LKY sons n daughters,or even their grandchildrens,who are heavily body guard n turn out to be a bunch of idiots.
i don't deny that everyone fight with someone else at some point in life.
but there's different kind of fighting, and that you must acknowledge.
1) Verbal fight.
2) fistfight. non-lethal in nature.
3) fighting with parang and other lethal weapons.
normal people fight yes, but they sure don't go around slashing people with knife, and that is btw, definitely not a minor offence.
just 2 days ago, a retiree was slashed in the throat with a penknife, as reported in the Newpaper. the attack was unprovoked, random with no motive. the victim was not rob at all.
oh, we gals got this so called high heel fights
Originally posted by BadzMaro:You can never elimate gansterism. Only contain it.
China did a brilliant job in containing the gangsters in Macao.
Originally posted by angel7030:oh, we gals got this so called high heel fights
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The root of the problems lies with the youngsters.
They join the headless gang for the sake of joining the gang.
They have no directions nor objectives.
They join cos they friends also join.
They dont know who and how the gang is form.
They are still young.
They need guidance.
Prick off the problem bud from the young and the headless gang will be elimate.
Originally posted by likeyou:The root of the problems lies with the youngsters.
They join the headless gang for the sake of joining the gang.
They have no directions nor objectives.
They join cos they friends also join.
They dont know who and how the gang is form.
They are still young.
They need guidance.
Prick off the problem bud from the young and the headless gang will be elimate.
Macho cool kids want to be gangsters
Every where we go, be it shopping center, arcade, playground, there will be groups of youngsters. Good and bad groups. Bad groups will want to fight and call gang names (and I wonder whether they know their leader name or not) or just know tan ah qua recommend me, he's from my schoolmates. For 360 gang, I only know the name.)
Sigh.
I am from hougang.
me from joo chiat longkang
Originally posted by angel7030:
However, today gangsterism take a different look, we are mostly the rich or middle class kids who got the $$ and time to form a gang anytime, and today, we also have the Computer games and icommunication to influence us, unlike your time, whereby gangs were formed to earn a living and most were poor kids.
Originally posted by likeyou:The root of the problems lies with the youngsters.
They join the headless gang for the sake of joining the gang.
They have no directions nor objectives.
They join cos they friends also join.
They dont know who and how the gang is form.
They are still young.
They need guidance.
Prick off the problem bud from the young and the headless gang will be elimate.
Let pull the handbrake here, now, who is responsible for up bringing the youngs in singapore, the parents, the govt, the teachers and other related adults in their lifes.
When we condemn our youngs, we tends to look at ourselves and ask questions about why today youngs, given so much $$ and good living, end up forming gangs of no direction??
The Govt, parents, teachers, adult citizens are actually the one that created these problem, eg, the stress the govt and parent give on study and meritocracy, the adults bad habits and careless attitude do play cruial roles for our youngs. Peoples always thot that we kids, given nice room, good bed, best of the best study room, money and fashion clothing should be able to grow up like prince and princess. But peoples forget about love, relationship and alway ignore our views
From young, parents are responsible for bring up their children.
Then go primary school, teachers need to teach them to be good. So as their parents that constantly need to talk to their children.
Then go seconday school,teachers and parents must ensure children study hard and not lead to gangsterism.
Not to say young punks are wrong though. Parents and teachers do have to share the responsibility too.
But if young punks dont want to listen to all (parents / teachers) crap, they will still become a young 'number' gang.
So, who's fault. Everybody.
ya, therefore the upbringing is very important, the way we nurture the young could be wrong, let take the example of high cost of living,
Govt increase cost of living, both parents have to work, leaving child at home doing nothing and go out play, mix up with those other childrens and form a gang, From monday to friday, go around disturb people, smoke, drink and bully the weaker kids, then on sat and sun, go out with parents, act guai guai, parents feeling guilty over neglecting him, buy whatever he wants, spoil him with good foods, fashion clothing, electronic goods etc etc...in hoping to show their affection to him, but they do not know the inside of him, cos they never ask, and for adults, the weak point is that they alway think they are right, like to boost about their last time life, so end up, they do not really know what he really wants, and he also get fed up of telling them, just eat, wears, plays and wish for monday to come again and join his gang. Now, who started all these, the govt or the kids
Domino effect isnt it.
Cost of living high, both father and mother working long hours, no time for kids.
Kids many homeworks and tests, get stress up.
Teachers not happy with them, scold them.
Kids not happy with teachers, dont talk to them.
Teachers want to help, kids wont listen.
Teachers call up parents, parents tell the teachers, not free.
Kids look for peers, wrong peers. The end for them.
Who's to blame?
Everybody including the govt/pap.
at the end of the day, it is a chicken and egg question, who come first?
Originally posted by likeyou:Domino effect isnt it.
Cost of living high, both father and mother working long hours, no time for kids.
Kids many homeworks and tests, get stress up.
Teachers not happy with them, scold them.
Kids not happy with teachers, dont talk to them.
Teachers want to help, kids wont listen.
Teachers call up parents, parents tell the teachers, not free.
Kids look for peers, wrong peers. The end for them.
Who's to blame?
Everybody including the govt/pap.
Everybody likes to play the blame game. Maybe they should take responsiblity for their own actions. They are pathetic boring individuals who fun and interesting people don't want to spend their time with. Many of them couldn't even hold down a job in Mcdonalds. They want power because they have low self esteem. They aren't interesting because they haven't read any non fiction books on any interesting topics therefor they don't know anything, they haven't been anywhere interesting,,don't anything interesting,etc.... and their pathetic sense of humour if they have one at all is very spiteful. In short they are pathetic lazy losers who have themselves to blame. If they don't like being so pathetic then they should get down to the library
They want everything fast, fast money, faster to climb up the corporate status.
They dont want to work low end jobs. they feel insecure.
no gang, be it 369 or watsoever, is greater than the 999 gang...