can u guys pl split your valuable input into paragraphs ,pl?
2. no place is prefect, Oz salary (on paper) is higher than SG, but tax rates also much higher.
3. Oz health care sys seem very bad. Reid used nationalisation of stated controlled hospitals as a bait in running election. But he never delivered his promise.
4. SG have USD 300 billions net assets in Temasek and GIC.
Oz just have unknown underground minerials. But who is the owner?
If today Republic of Spore go for members voluntary liquidation, each citizen have some cash to get ( assuming the above two compaines have ample time to dispose the assets).
How much Oz citizen will get ? u tel me lah...
so how bad will the merger be for both sides?(no sarcasm intended), i jus want to know if what the aussies say is true, that maybe i was wrong? is it true then that its not just ethical aspect? from what i know of, all the aussies are complaining about is not on the economic aspect. take the australian opposition minister's comments for example. he says, "here is a country that tramples on human rights and freedom of speech" and many others echo this, stating loss of their pride and national assets, but i dun understand why no one has addressed the economic aspect?
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:and it seems u have some 'experience' on bussiness dont u? well ten, 'pumpkin' why dont u give me a logical answer, for i for one dont see what's wrong with my question, and when i wake up in the morning just like you while u claim to see a so-called 'illogical' question, i see useless rants on how inadequate my psyche is. well then professor, shed some light on this will ya? some evidence perhaps? or maybe the merger should never have taken place becos the aussies r bitter we executed on of their own and now base that on thei 'claim' that we trample on human rights? as uninterested as u r, im not quite 'convinced' by ur determined and 'well-based' arguments, 50% of the time involving spewing vulgarities like "fuckwit". maybe u r an example of what aussies r like? please enlighten me so that i wont wake up and see another base-less rant on how stupid i am, as such rants only show how reatarded u r, to have to resort to such means in the first place :)
*yawn* Another boring post. I don't know why I bother but, oh well ...
Your question is not illogical and there's nothing wrong with it per se, so there's no need to be a crybaby. It's just the wrong question at the wrong time.
It seems that your capacity to understand things is extemely limited, so let me try to assist you by dumbing things down yet again.
When I say "the wrong question at the wrong time", I mean something like asking "What's for dinner?" when you're in a plane about to crash. There's nothing wrong with the question itself - what's wrong is that it's pointless in the circumstances.
You can dig up all the evidence that you want - hell, Bob Brown raised it in parliament, so why not email him and demand evidence? The question is this:
What good is the evidence going to do, whichever way it points?
Still, you want to speak of evidence, fine - I'll humour you. There's no evidence that Lee Hsien Loong is corrupt. The "evidence" just so conveniently happens to justify his being paid four times as much the US president, despite managing an infitesmially smaller country.
Australia is uncomfortable dealing with crooks like this, and if you weren't being so blindly jingoistic about Singapore, you'd be uncomfortable too.
As for the human rights issue, Australia does not support capital punishment. Frankly I'm in support of hanging drug traffickers, but that's their choice and they have the right to make that choice. Similarly, Singapore has the right to choose to maintain captital punishment - well and good, and one less trafficker means a better society.
As long as both countries stick to their own policies, all is well. The problem comes in with things like the merger, which like it or not brings the disparity of policies into play. We can argue for days about who's right and who's wrong, and as I said, I suspect we're on the same side on this issue, but it doesn't in any way act to attenuate the discrepancy between the two countries' stances, and that's a deal-killer, pure and simple.
As for political systems, I'll say what I said before - Hsien Loong would shit himself if he had to deal with a shadow government system.
So, here we have the three obvious suspects: Singapore's level of almost-hidden corruption, their human rights record and the one-party system (please don't insult anyone's intelligence by bringing up the token opposition). All of these add up to making Singapore a place that Australia doesn't want to do business with.
Now, I ask again: what good is digging up evidence here? Australian voters, as much as Singaporean voters, are irrational creatures with incredibly short attention spans. We could spend the next ten years making a Supreme Court case out of how fairly Australia, Bob Brown and the Canberra slime pit view Singapore, but what difference would it make?
You could make an airtight case of how Singapore has been maligned, and the answer would still be the same: you can keep your money, thank you very much.
Now, it's obvious that you have trouble comprehending any more complicated business transactions than handing over your buck and a bit for a cheeseburger, so I'll be gentle.
Ask anyone who deals with business strategy and they'll tell you that the key to getting the other guy to say yes is to offer him something that he wants. Telling him how he's wrong about you isn't going to help things at all because when you're done talking, you still haven't offered him anything that he values.
If you want to get technical about things, Herzberg's model of motivation postulates that dissatisfaction and satisfaction sit on separate dimensions instead of being on a single continuum. In practice, just because you have presented evidence and attended to the dissatisfaction with Singapore's image, you have done nothing to add to the satisfaction with what Singapore is bringing to the deal.
So, once again we come back to the same point: looking for evidence of whether Australia is right or wrong ins its views of Singapore is simply pointless. Get over your angst and look at what Singapore can offer instead. That's what grown-ups do, boo boo.
There you go, and no swearing either - does that feel better, sweetums?
By the way, it's doctor, not professor - I'm not that old.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:If today Republic of Spore go for members voluntary liquidation, each citizen have some cash to get ( assuming the above two compaines have ample time to dispose the assets).
Oh really? Just like CPF?
Originally posted by lionnoisy:Oz just have unknown underground minerials. But who is the owner?
You really are an ignoranus. Saying that Australia just has minerals is like saying that Singapore just has banks. Stop wasting everybody's time, including your own, pasting this shit on the forum, go read something other than jingoistic right-wing "I'm posting out of my mother's basement" websites, and try, just try, to find out what's going on in the real world.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:can u guys pl split your valuable input into paragraphs ,pl?
2. no place is prefect, Oz salary (on paper) is higher than SG, but tax rates also much higher.
3. Oz health care sys seem very bad. Reid used nationalisation of stated controlled hospitals as a bait in running election. But he never delivered his promise.
4. SG have USD 300 billions net assets in Temasek and GIC.
Oz just have unknown underground minerials. But who is the owner?
If today Republic of Spore go for members voluntary liquidation, each citizen have some cash to get ( assuming the above two compaines have ample time to dispose the assets).
How much Oz citizen will get ? u tel me lah...
OZ health care bad?? r u sure, they got top sport peoples there, and are as healthy as their apples. But they like to drink alot, Foster
Its a great idea,let Ang Moh rule Singapore.Coz Chinese PAP politicians(both men n women) n CEOs prove to be a bunch of lousy politicians.Singapore Sucks.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:can u guys pl split your valuable input into paragraphs ,pl?
2. no place is prefect, Oz salary (on paper) is higher than SG, but tax rates also much higher.
3. Oz health care sys seem very bad. Reid used nationalisation of stated controlled hospitals as a bait in running election. But he never delivered his promise.
4. SG have USD 300 billions net assets in Temasek and GIC.
Oz just have unknown underground minerials. But who is the owner?
If today Republic of Spore go for members voluntary liquidation, each citizen have some cash to get ( assuming the above two compaines have ample time to dispose the assets).
How much Oz citizen will get ? u tel me lah...
2. What do you mean Oz salary is "on paper"? It's what Aussies are getting paid at the moment, they get SGD19.20 for an hour's work in the supermarket as stackers. Tax in Australia is much higher but there are lots of other things you don't need to pay, like property tax, radio tv licence, cheaper electricity, no GST on basic food, medication and books. Cheaper cost of private housing in Australia. 
3. Singapore's healthcare system is not that good either, ridden with misdiagnosis and long wait queues (months), you still have to pay for this kind of shoddy service, but in Australia it's free.
4. Those USD300 billions claimed by you. Do you have any claims to it? Does it belong to you or the family? You can have USD300 trillion dollars in there and it still won't make any difference to the lives of citizens, they would still have to work way beyond 68 y.o.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
there are lots of other things you don't need to pay, like property tax
Just to be precise, you do actually have to pay property taxes in the form of council rates.
Originally posted by Tanrave:Its a great idea,let Ang Moh rule Singapore.Coz Chinese PAP politicians(both men n women) n CEOs prove to be a bunch of lousy politicians.Singapore Sucks.
ya, the local chinese suck, but what to do, it was the ang mo who blow it that give them the chance to suck.
Originally posted by Gedanken:Just to be precise, you do actually have to pay property taxes in the form of council rates.
Comparable to our HDB service and conservancy charges.
Property taxes is waive for owner occupied homes.
Originally posted by βÎτά:
Comparable to our HDB service and conservancy charges.
Property taxes is waive for owner occupied homes.
Comparing with private property, we certainly paid much higher tax then aussie lor, even need to contract sembcorp rubbish Co to collect our rubbish, no wonder sembcorp goes up...
Originally posted by βÎτά:Comparable to our HDB service and conservancy charges.
Try telling that to the farmer's man - rates are set according to the area of the property, not according to services provided.
In any case, the garbage gets picked up regularly and the local jazz festival isn't bad, but a couple of weeks ago the grass on the nature strip out front got up to about knee height before the bludgers finally mowed it.
Originally posted by Tanrave:Its a great idea,let Ang Moh rule Singapore.Coz Chinese PAP politicians(both men n women) n CEOs prove to be a bunch of lousy politicians.Singapore Sucks.
If spore was rule by ang moh kwee, chinese will be the 2nd class citizens liao.
Originally posted by likeyou:
If spore was rule by ang moh kwee, chinese will be the 2nd class citizens liao.
Singapore is run by the PAP, and Singaporeans are the 2nd class citizens liao.
with ged around.....every guy in spore would be like him......a suicidal male prostitute.
anyway ranking in spore like this
1)pap members n related family n frends
2)rich millionaires
3)foreign p.r.
4)singaporeans who end up biting own singaporeans
5)standard normal sporean humans
remeber ged.....u are only a psychologist n play wiv guys heads.in that case u might as well play wiv their balls too...makes it all complete in yer purpose in life.imm gonna put u as u said in the past where u should really be!!!!!
hey i just took a fancy to a 2002 model jaguar automatic mode..n its dirt cheap too!!!no...it has no rusts like yer car...its like any well maintained car in spore.
merge? i need not live in hdb :p
lionnoisy,
their pay here is high in oz.even higher than the americans and its not all on paper.
their tax is good if u are a citizen or a PR.but if u are a student in oz werking part time then they will tax almost 50%.so instead of say taking $15/hr u take back like $8/hr because u are a foreigner or foreign student studying in oz.
whereas a citizen takes back almost $12/hr werkin in a 7-11.,...the tax gets taken away every week from the $15/hr salary.and if u dun collect any dole or any medical stuff...the tax department actually refund u thousands of $$$$$ to u ...im still puzzeled.but if thats how they werk.....and they have the records of company payment n all bank accounts interest rates..then its accurate....n they know what they are doin in the tax department.i actually got $thousands back ...dunno why.....
i think they miscalculated your one, must be boozing on job
dunno....damn scary...everytime gimme $$$$$$
Originally posted by Gedanken:Singapore is run by the PAP, and Singaporeans are the 2nd class citizens liao.
Ya lor,thats what i am going to say also.
Originally posted by angel7030:
ya, the local chinese suck, but what to do, it was the ang mo who blow it that give them the chance to suck.
If ang mo blow it,then we should try to fix it.But it turns out that LKY n his team also blow it,siao liao lor.
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I had to pay them $20K this year. 
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I had to pay them $20K this year. Posted 05 March 2010 - 04:31 PM
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as long as it arrives this year and not 2011. 
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newhue, on 26 March 2010 - 06:01 PM, said:
seems like its normal for australians to get $$$$$$ back every year after paying tax.
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