What if Singapore and Australia merge as one country?
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Myths of many people mirgarte to Oz
every year
There are about 160,000 foreigner migrate to oz,
BUT about 80,000 people leaving Oz permaneantly a year,
Of which, half were born in Oz and another half in foreign countries.
If Oz is so good, why 40,000 oz born leave Oz?
Australian Immigration Fact Sheet 5. Emigration from Australia
Emigration by overseas-born
Of the 81 018 people who departed permanently in 2008-09, 49.1 per cent were born overseas. When compared with the 2007-08 figures (49.1 per cent) the most recent figures suggest that permanent departures among the overseas-born remain fairly steady. EOQuote
Australian Migration Statistics « Britz in Oz for British Expats
no of immgrants to Oz
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1980's there were only 2 to 3 people left compared with 10 people
migrated to oz.
Now , it is 10 in, 5 out!! Why?
2. If u compare with Sg. The situation is totally different.
there are far more people in then out!!
SG population increase 1,000,000 from 2000 to 2010, ie 4 m vs 5 m!!
From 2005 to 2010, it increase 900,000!! Why?
2. Why SG need 80,000 FT this year? becos SG GDP + 13%
x 3 million workforce=390,000, if we assume this year GDP per worker is same as last year. So 80,000 is not too much.
Permanent arrivals and departures from Australia, 1979-80 to 2008-09
Statistics Singapore - Time Series on Population
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Myths of many people mirgarte to Oz
every year
There are about 160,000 foreigner migrate to oz,
BUT about 80,000 people leaving Oz permaneantly a year,
Of which, half were born in Oz and another half in foreign countries.
If Oz is so good, why 40,000 oz born leave Oz?
Australian Immigration Fact Sheet 5. Emigration from Australia
Emigration by overseas-born
Of the 81 018 people who departed permanently in 2008-09, 49.1 per cent were born overseas. When compared with the 2007-08 figures (49.1 per cent) the most recent figures suggest that permanent departures among the overseas-born remain fairly steady. EOQuote
Australian Migration Statistics « Britz in Oz for British Expats
no of immgrants to Oz
Higher net outflow is because there are better countries than Australia, but those countries doesn't include Singapore.
Australian dollar hopping kangaroo hop till AUD 1 = SGD 1.268 already.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
1980's there were only 2 to 3 people left compared with 10 people
migrated to oz.
Now , it is 10 in, 5 out!! Why?
2. If u compare with Sg. The situation is totally different.
there are far more people in then out!!
SG population increase 1,000,000 from 2000 to 2010, ie 4 m vs 5 m!!
From 2005 to 2010, it increase 900,000!! Why?
2. Why SG need 80,000 FT this year? becos SG GDP + 13%
x 3 million workforce=390,000, if we assume this year GDP per worker is same as last year. So 80,000 is not too much.
Permanent arrivals and departures from Australia, 1979-80 to 2008-09
Statistics Singapore - Time Series on Population
Singapore's population increased significantly during these few years is because we are taking in cheap foreign labour from 3rd world countries, those cheap labour from China, India, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.
Those cheap foreign labour are the ones taking away Singaporeans' job. Ooops, according to some Minister, they are telling us that these foreign workers are creating more jobs for Singaporeans. But something which I fail to understand is: If these foreign workers are creating jobs for Singaporeans. Why is the unemployment rate higher for citizens compared to foreigners?
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
Higher net outflow is because there are better countries than Australia, but those countries doesn't include Singapore.
Australian dollar hopping kangaroo hop till AUD 1 = SGD 1.268 already.
Becos Oz provide higher interest rate to depositors, bad for Oz home owners,
2. Why SG can afford to hire so many FT? becos many investors dare to invest in SG!
If no FT, no new job at all. Give and take lah,
no pefect policy in life.
Imagine u kick out all PR --530,000 and FT--1,300,000, u leave only 3.23 million SG citizens, down from 5 million today.
3.23 million--a SG ghost town lah....
Statistics Singapore - Time Series on Population
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Becos Oz provide higher interest rate to depositors, bad for Oz home owners,
2. Why SG can afford to hire so many FT? becos many investors dare to invest in SG!
If no FT, no new job at all. Give and take lah,
no pefect policy in life.
Imagine u kick out all PR --530,000 and FT--1,300,000, u leave only 3.23 million SG citizens, down from 5 million today.
3.23 million--a SG ghost town lah....
Statistics Singapore - Time Series on Population
we are not asking gahmen to kick them. but there is no control over the rate they come in. with no minimum wage our middle and lower income group really is annaled even without need to drop our pants. power rangers aside you see 1,300,000, 1/4 of sg population. don;t you feel alarming? dont you see something very wrong. so you tell me tehse 1,300,000 all of them are skiled over our very own sg work force? gahmen already condem workers to be no efficient. so come electon its time we condemn them. voute some kuailan face mp into parliament, and the rest of the votes void them see how howlian they can get. but i think the hwolians don;t care already. after this generation i can say hopeless along the line already/ now its time for GCT to play bad guy. i have only 1 wish. make my area walkover so that at least i can save the time, effort standing and waiting along the queue not for IPHONE or hello kitty. i old cannot standmust provide sit for me to vote. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Becos Oz provide higher interest rate to depositors, bad for Oz home owners,
2. Why SG can afford to hire so many FT? becos many investors dare to invest in SG!
If no FT, no new job at all. Give and take lah,
no pefect policy in life.
Imagine u kick out all PR --530,000 and FT--1,300,000, u leave only 3.23 million SG citizens, down from 5 million today.
3.23 million--a SG ghost town lah....
Statistics Singapore - Time Series on Population
They have savings rate, therefore they also have high loan rate, it's that simple.
Singapore's savings rate is pathetically low just like Japan (deep recession), the home loan rate is also low.
But in Australia they have higher pay, a supermarket packer will get AUD15/hour, compared to Singapore's SGD3.50-4.00?
I last remembered you crapping about Australian currency going below AUD1 for each SGD1, you said that the Australian economy is in deep shit. So now the AUD1 trades for SGD1.28, the Australian economy must be doing very well. I am amazed with the ability of Australian Finance Minister, in less than a year, he turned around the Australian dollar and the Australian economy.
Do you still remember the thread you started? Perhaps you would like to add an addendum to it.
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/333201
Seriously, I am doubting your existence as a Singaporean, you sure don't like Singaporean who has gone thrrough our highly regarded education system, you can only be passed off as a half baked PRC with the kind of English you speak.
Maybe it's because you applied for citizenship for Australia and Singapore, Australia rejected your application but Singapore took you in, that's why you have such strong malice for anything Australian.
You only have yourself to blame if Australia rejected your application, it's an English speaking country, you are not going to be able to communicate with much people there.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Becos Oz provide higher interest rate to depositors, bad for Oz home owners,
2. Why SG can afford to hire so many FT? becos many investors dare to invest in SG!
If no FT, no new job at all. Give and take lah,
no pefect policy in life.
Imagine u kick out all PR --530,000 and FT--1,300,000, u leave only 3.23 million SG citizens, down from 5 million today.
3.23 million--a SG ghost town lah....
Statistics Singapore - Time Series on Population
3.23 million our public transport system was manageable, with 5 million population now.
Are you making more money or salary?
Have the cost of housing, food and public transport gone up or down?
Are more Singaporeans getting employed?
Do you work more hours or less hours to remain competitive? We need to be cheaper better faster.
Has the overall social living conditions improved with so many foreigners around?
The only difference is the GDP figures which hardly relates to Singaporeans quality of life.
Maybe you can come up with points about how your life has improved with 5 million instead of 3 million population.
So Singapore was a ghost town 10 years ago?
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oz packer paid $15/hr
oz cleaner paid $19/hr
oz fitter paid $23/hr
oz engineer paid very high n beyond imagination.
singapore every job is paid low....only job that pays high would be politicians and conmen salary.
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Originally posted by Hitman 778:
oz packer paid $15/hr
oz cleaner paid $19/hr
oz fitter paid $23/hr
oz engineer paid very high n beyond imagination.
singapore every job is paid low....only job that pays high would be politicians and conmen salary.
For pay/salary = govt cannot do anything except slow down or make in diffuclt for foreigners to come to work here. Cannot blame Employees for wanting to have a cheap cheap workers. Every human or business men are like that.For cost of living = govt should by now, already know that salary has been forcefully press down to the bare, and they should not push up the cost of living to make the grounds so unhappy.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
2. Why SG can afford to hire so many FT? becos many investors dare to invest in SG!
And now Singapore is hoping that Australia will take Singapore's 8 billion dollars. It's not just a case of Singapore as an investor daring to invest, they're the ones actuallly initiating these shenanigans.
Do you think Australia is suddenly going to see an influx of Indians and Mainland Chinese? As it is we're constantly raising the standards to keep the intake volume from skyrocketing, and year after year there's always debate about lowering the numbers too much - don't hold your breath waiting for that to change.
Don't go drawing any more false causality, now.
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Singapore os small too small and don;t any smartassess see the future that we cannot rely on foreign talent. yesy we are small and depends greatly on the region, but that does not mean that we should be swayed by external moments. land. why are we not filling them up to increase our sizes? i am sure little by little off shore aslong as they do not affect our eco-system and shippinh routes it can be done. why only landfill tuas for industrial usage then will spend money on it meh? with land we can do lots more. agriculture, power plants, hell it may also attract more investors and companies when we can make out land even cheaper. control of labor influs. Singapore are not happy about it. food prices increase and dependant on regional supplies. why are we not puttig r and d in these and make ourselves sustainable? we can do it and we are doing it on water. its time to work against oil for fuel too. our bank interests andrates goind down, exchange rate aginst currrenies like those countries with cheap cheap labor (vhina / india / pinoy etc) going up. I think we should really look far, much farther than what the old man is seeing now if we still want a Singapore brand that is Singapore.
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Originally posted by Hugh Hefner:
ASX and SGX now want to merge. So I was thinking what if one day Singapore become overpopulated and decide to merge with Australia ?
Best of both worlds, Singapore got skilled labour and Australia got resources and land.
What do you think? I think it is good for Singaporeans although I cannot speak the same for the Australians.
Wa, can suka suka merge one meh.
I no money in bank account, can I merge my bank account with your bank account ?
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can, why not? i also got no money in my account, not to mention i need 500 to start one, so by joining with you, i dun hv to deposit 500 upfront...good neh
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NOTICE ONE THING: in the whole of the asx and sgx merger, NOT ONE COMMENT ON HOW BAD IT CAN TURN OUT TO BE ECONOMICALLY. i mean, look at the aussie minister's comments. they're on how bad singapore is blah blah blah, or how we r taking away their pride and joy blah blah blah... its about sovreignity and national pride, and to some extent, yes, it is true and hurtful how sgx is buying up something not just australia, but any other country considers as a national asset(how would u feel if china bought SGX?) its the same over there. problem is, notice its all about ethics and pride, not on how the merger can help us both. the aussie' failure to see beyond their immediate gain is jus infuriating. its exactly like stalin and the collectivisation again. those stupid peasants jus couldnt see beyond their immediate gain and decided at the expense of the nation's prosperity, they decide their measly little cattle r worth more and refuse to share. exactly, its practically aussie=dumb, illiterate peasants! cant u guys look beyong the present little hurt to your enormous ego for the sake of your damn economy? *sigh* all u aussies do is babble abt how ur ego is bruised but have u guys thought abt what the merger can bring? NO. U DID NOT.
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
NOTICE ONE THING: in the whole of the asx and sgx merger, NOT ONE COMMENT ON HOW BAD IT CAN TURN OUT TO BE ECONOMICALLY. i mean, look at the aussie minister's comments. they're on how bad singapore is blah blah blah, or how we r taking away their pride and joy blah blah blah... its about sovreignity and national pride, and to some extent, yes, it is true and hurtful how sgx is buying up something not just australia, but any other country considers as a national asset(how would u feel if china bought SGX?) its the same over there. problem is, notice its all about ethics and pride, not on how the merger can help us both. the aussie' failure to see beyond their immediate gain is jus infuriating. its exactly like stalin and the collectivisation again. those stupid peasants jus couldnt see beyond their immediate gain and decided at the expense of the nation's prosperity, they decide their measly little cattle r worth more and refuse to share. exactly, its practically aussie=dumb, illiterate peasants! cant u guys look beyong the present little hurt to your enormous ego for the sake of your damn economy? *sigh* all u aussies do is babble abt how ur ego is bruised but have u guys thought abt what the merger can bring? NO. U DID NOT.
What are you, dyslexic or just plain stupid?
Forget the ethics and morality, do you honestly believe that the Singapore government is doing its job? They're bringing in FTs hand over fist and robbing their own people of jobs just to make a quick buck, and Australians are the ones being shortsighted? Have you seen how Australia's government is keeping tight control of its immigration quotas and standards to make sure that Australia doesn't have an FT clusterfuck?
Wake up your ideas - you've got things so arse-end-round you've just given the inside of your rectum a sunburn.
You're the one letting your petty little ego blind you. Oh, boo hoo hoo - Singapore offers some money and people are automatically supposed to grovel and thank them? That may work fine within Singapore's little goldfish bowl, but the rules are different in a global playground. When you consider how much Australia's natural resources alone are worth, Singapore's 8 billion offer is as laughable as a mouse trying to rape an elephant. They can easily afford to turn away a bothersome visitor, and that's exactly what they're doing, so grow up and deal with it.
I understand you're heartbroken because Australians don't think Singapore's the best thing since sliced bread, but FFS wake up, put your fragile little ego back in its box and smell the coffee - your government's fucking your people left right and centre, and Australia is right to want to keep that crap outside of its borders.
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and how exactly do u mean that foriegn talent has been a problem only on singapore? look at usa. 50% of ALL her ivy league university is foriegn talern. look at the scientists of NASA. 80% probability that they r asian. look at france. massive unemployment, foriegn infiltration, corruption, mass poverty, china? 30% living below poverty line, americans easily earning two times below what a singaporean earns. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, what exactly does foriegn talent have anything to do with the success of the merger? oh on the flipside, r u like the rest of those naive dumbasses interested in ur little ego, ur sweet little ego being bruised in place of progress? wheres evidence that the merger HARMS either side? more likely its abt ethics as usual. if u havent reaalised it my fren, OPEN UR DAMN EYES AND LOOK, god, please LOOK at the world as it is today. even in england. look at their doctors, LOOK AT CAMBRIDGE. LOOK AT HARVARD. LOOK AT SILLICON VALLEY. u think australia so perfect? how about i dig up some dirt abt the aussies? they claim themsellves to be racially 'tolerant', but u read the news lately? how they punished a muslim girl so severely she has to find means to make a journey of SIXTY kilometres to school, all because she slapped a WHITE boy who got off scot free as a hero and called her dirt all her life. look at the recent, countless attacks on muslim students. PRIVACY? look at how they target foriegners, dragging out their lugguage in full view of the public searching for 'illegal' porn and gladly detain and IMPRISON those caught with porn. PRIVACY? yea right. ironically, they cllaim to clamp down on pornography, but from what i see, sydney is STILL lined with PORN shops. CRIME RATE? u know australia has been rated as one of the most violent nations in the world? efficient police force? i think not. look at australia. dun give a damn abt privacy, super racist to the point they detain asians for hours and tear their lugguage, violent ppl? does australia seem that perfect to u? FACE IT. u go to WHITE country, u become second-class. FORIEGN TALENT? GOD, WILL U OPEN THOSE EYES OF YOURS? heads up friend, singaporeans dont think that highly of a RACIST, SELFISH, PRIVACY-IGNORANT nation either. and please, my famous FFS, post some evidence of how 'harmful' the merger actually is.
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Ooh, OK - have it your way.
If Australia's as awful a place as you say, isn't Singapore monumentally stupid to want to buy into it?
First you you claim that the merger "how the merger can help us both", now you play the jilted lover - she's such a bitch because she said no. Can you please make up your mind, whatever little there is of it? I'll dumb it down for you: stop lying.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Grow up.
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because we have the sense to think beyond the ethical part of it, stupid. did i say the merger does not help the aussies? no. i made up my mind, u did not. as usual , WHAT harm exactly do u speak of? or is it because u got no valid argument so u target the lousy ethical part of it? what abt REALITY? how abt u MAKE UP UR mind, and please, grow up and stop whining like the aussies.
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Oh, for Pete's sake. Are you really that retarded, or are you being a deliberate fuckwit?
Singapore is initiating this deal - in the context of this discussion I frankly couldn't give a flying fuck about how this will help the Australians. The pertinent question here is how it will help Singapore, since Singapore is the one making overtures.
To wit, if Singapore stands to benefit (the half of your "how the merger can help us both" bullshit that you're lamely sidestepping at present), why are you carrying on like a two-bob watch about what a terrible place Australia is? One way or another, you're lying, so toughen up and come clean about which one the lie is.
Lemme dumb it down for you again: SINGAPORE is initiating this, Australia is free to say no for whatever reasons it sees fit. Just because you think a lousy 8 bill is the be-all-and-end-all doesn't mean that everybody sees it the same way - some people can happily afford to trade off that cash to avoid partnering with unscrupulous characters. It's as simple as that, so maybe you want to wrap your tiny little head around the REALITY that what Singapore is offering is not a big deal.
Lemme dumb it down for you even further: you ask a girl out, she says no thanks because, to be blunt, you're a creep. Are you going to make yourself a pain in the arse pestering her about what the harm is in going out with you? Are you going to tell her all of her faults to try to make her grateful that you're deeming fit to ask her out? Do you realise how much of a utter and total deluded loser you would make yourself look?
Well that's exactly what you're doing now, stupid. FFS, have some fucking dignity.
Now is that simple enough for you, or do you need to call mommy to help you with the big words?
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AND? god, will u look beyond the ethical side of it? the aussie government, for ur info has already said yes, its just what im shooting at here, its the raionale of the aussies' arguments get it? who exactly is the "fuckwit" here? here u r, accusing me of spouting my mouth off, but u base ur arguments on nothing but baseless rants on pride blah blah blah, on ego blah blah bla... yes, the aussies have the right to sya no, AND MOREOVER, since when have i said the aussies should not say no? have i said that? NO. i am questioning the basis of their claims, besides 'sidestepping' to honour and ego. for heaven's sake, why dont u put on some well-based arguments of ur own for a change? ranting on and on and trying to twist my words r down right contradictory, not to mention stupid. heres my question: does the merger HARM ANYONE? DID I SAY THE AUSSIES SHOULDNT SAY NO? I AM QUESTIONING THEIR RATIONALE HERE! god, did u take ur pills today? maybe ur eyes r sealed shut by ur ego? why dont u answer that question and stop ranting like a retard?
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And why are you questioning the rationale?
They don't want to deal, and it's entirely their choice to do so. So what if you in your infinite wisdom believe that there is nothing other than the almighty (and currently trading at a pitiful A$0.78) dollar? They don't agree with that view, and that's all there is to it.
The only useful reason for looking at Australia's rationale for saying no is to find a way to make the deal work. Well, here's a newsflash, sunshine: according to the objections, Singapore would have to drop the death sentence, disband the ISD and open its doors to organisations like Amnesty International for scrutiny.
So, booster, do you really want to go there? Do you?
Just leave it be, stupid.
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and so i cant question WHY? whats wrong with that? so what if we have the death sentence? how many have we executed in the past decade? how many? so what if i cant understand why the aussies dun want to look beyond a few miniature differences and turn away from progress? my fault? i tell u, the aussies r jus pissed at how we merely executed one austrlia more than 5 years ago. thats all, unless u can bring proof of our so-called 'humanitarian' flaws? wat i cant nderstand is why they dig up a small grude, makeit a hell of a issue of it and swindle brainless ppl like u then into thinking singapore is 'oppressive'(we execute one person EVERY year or even EVERY three years?). got any brains for a change? why havent u answered my simple question? isnt this a forum? i cant post my views and ask WHY? WHY and WHAT justifies their rationale? why wont u answer that? i want to go there, then so what? how then, will u deal with that SENSIBLY AND RATIONALLY, since u have chosen to walk with me and talk with me, my friend?
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It’s obvious that you have no grasp of anything related to conducting business, which is all this ASX deal is about. For one thing, you’re assuming that whatever is important to you (be it money, dick size or pobble beads) is the only game in town. Successful deals at all levels, from agreements between individuals to treaties between countries, are based upon understanding and acknowledging WHAT THE OTHER GUY WANTS, not what you want, and then offering it to him. The humblest of businessmen knows this simple truth.
In light of this, the money is irrelevant, the harm (or lack thereof) of a merger is irrelevant, the income from cows is irrelevant. Cutting a deal is all about answering one simple question: “What’s in it for me?”. I’m running projects ranging from between $10,000 to over a million per year and regardless of the size of the contract, it ALWAYS comes down to being able to provide a good enough answer to that question if you want the other guy to say yes and sign on the dotted line. If you can’t answer that question, all bets are off.
Now pumpkin, I want you to sit back, take a deep breath, count to ten and think about this. You’ll see that your question is simply a waste of time. Now you may have the time to wallow in angst about why you're rejected, but by my book, life's simply too fucking short for that pissant bullshit. If it didn't happen, insh'allah - focus on the next success.
Anyway, it’s late, I’m tired and you’re boring. When I come back in the morning, why don’t you surprise me with some evidence of thought and find a useful question to ask for a change? -
and it seems u have some 'experience' on bussiness dont u? well ten, 'pumpkin' why dont u give me a logical answer, for i for one dont see what's wrong with my question, and when i wake up in the morning just like you while u claim to see a so-called 'illogical' question, i see useless rants on how inadequate my psyche is. well then professor, shed some light on this will ya? some evidence perhaps? or maybe the merger should never have taken place becos the aussies r bitter we executed on of their own and now base that on thei 'claim' that we trample on human rights? as uninterested as u r, im not quite 'convinced' by ur determined and 'well-based' arguments, 50% of the time involving spewing vulgarities like "fuckwit". maybe u r an example of what aussies r like? please enlighten me so that i wont wake up and see another base-less rant on how stupid i am, as such rants only show how reatarded u r, to have to resort to such means in the first place :)