Germany wakes up to failed ideal of multiculturalism
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Originally posted by LordoftheLamers:
Well Singapore isn't exactly like Germany or London. When i walk out in the street I still see Singaporeans about, not hordes of tea-towel wearing Middle Easterners. You can tell that Singaporeans are still the majority and you don't have gettoes.
We dont have fanatics here or rude people, and I think our immigration laws and PR laws are getting tighter, and if you are an immigrant and u screw up, you're out and they'll replace you easily. So i think we have it under control FOR NOW.... So i think the current fear is not warranted.
Although I will say this, yesterday I went to Bugis to get some research and i stopped at the MAccers to get sausage mcmuffin, a whole bunch of school girls came in (in some uniform... you know like what uniforms look like in local school) and they all were from China... like 10 of them ha ha. So that was the only time i felt the immigration thing that you guys are talking about.
you should have go otherplaces see more. the reason why lots of people are making noises is becasue this is ture. ever work for a company wheere the majorty are pinoys? they say one thing even the sgrean bosses cannot say anything. that's one teh world comapny all malaysian and chinas, construction and related ones all banglas. otehrs moinority foreigners. the sitaution is very bad. immigatraion law you thingk the officer wll sit ther and rea through all the applicants particulars in details? they probably only take are of a few and ignore the remainder particulars to look out for.
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Wow.......be careful fellas.........dont lurch too much into far-right.....at most restraint yourself to be center-right.
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I support CSJ,but his view about Singapore government impose racism on Malays n Muslim i cannot accept.As a matter of fact,i find that Muslim are hard to merge into our society n that Western countries also have similar problem is very true.Not only Western countries,an article i read on the newspaper saying Muslim tend to form their "own community" in United States also.
Thing is,my job last time have access to various secondary n primary schools,n Indians n Chinese students mostly speak English n some in their own language among themselves.But Malay students are different,they "definitely" speak Malay within their group n knid of ignore other ppl.
And also,i have seen Chinese n Indians convert their religion from Buddism or Hindu to Christinity or Catholic,or become free thinker.But during my almost 40 yrs of life,i have never seen a single Malay families(especially male),convert to other religion or become free thinker.
Another thing is Malays seem to have friends everywhere.I remember 1 time when i was queue for bus in a bus stop,i met 2 group of Malays.Obviously,these 2 grp of Malays dont know each other,coz they didnt greet to each other initially.Later,out of the blue,they greet each other like very close friends.I was like WTF,i have never seen Chinese,Indians or Caucasians do these kind of thing.
Lastly,if our country is racist,look at how Malaysia n Indonesia behave towards us n other races in their own countries.And if u tell me that Malaysia didnt support the Muslim terrorists in Southern Thailand n Philipphines,stiring up the bloodshed in these countries,i dont believe it.
P.S I am not against Muslim,everyone got the rights to believe in different religions.If i offended anyone,sorry about that.But,this is how i feel when i work or interact with them.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
And if u tell me that Malaysia didnt support the Muslim terrorists in Southern Thailand n Philipphines,stiring up the bloodshed in these countries,i dont believe it.
I have never heard of Malaysia supporting insurgencies in Thailand, but Britain supporting islamic terrorists that is true.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
I support CSJ,but his view about Singapore government impose racism on Malays n Muslim i cannot accept.As a matter of fact,i find that Muslim are hard to merge into our society n that Western countries also have similar problem is very true.Not only Western countries,an article i read on the newspaper saying Muslim tend to form their "own community" in United States also.
Thing is,my job last time have access to various secondary n primary schools,n Indians n Chinese students mostly speak English n some in their own language among themselves.But Malay students are different,they "definitely" speak Malay within their group n knid of ignore other ppl.
And also,i have seen Chinese n Indians convert their religion from Buddism or Hindu to Christinity or Catholic,or become free thinker.But during my almost 40 yrs of life,i have never seen a single Malay families(especially male),convert to other religion or become free thinker.
Another thing is Malays seem to have friends everywhere.I remember 1 time when i was queue for bus in a bus stop,i met 2 group of Malays.Obviously,these 2 grp of Malays dont know each other,coz they didnt greet to each other initially.Later,out of the blue,they greet each other like very close friends.I was like WTF,i have never seen Chinese,Indians or Caucasians do these kind of thing.
Lastly,if our country is racist,look at how Malaysia n Indonesia behave towards us n other races in their own countries.And if u tell me that Malaysia didnt support the Muslim terrorists in Southern Thailand n Philipphines,stiring up the bloodshed in these countries,i dont believe it.
P.S I am not against Muslim,everyone got the rights to believe in different religions.If i offended anyone,sorry about that.But,this is how i feel when i work or interact with them.
First of all, you have to get it right, Malay is a race, Muslim is a religion, so when you want to talk about Malay, you are talking about a race, if you talk about Muslim, you are talking about the whole islam religion.It is not wrong for races to form their own group, as homo sapien, just as animal instinct, we are group gathering creature, even different species of bear stay with each other. So, this is natural, what is so wrong with some races making brotherhood and sisterhood with each other, let them be, as long as they do not disturb us, and we do not disturb them, that is both respect each other spaces and cultures, live in harmony, let it be, if can interact, then interact, if not, just live you way and stay happy, let them be, they are a happy race that call for unity, can take the stress of life, sincere to their religion, never complain much about govt or chinese coming here taking over them, let them be, think of it, Malays are easy going people.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
I support CSJ,but his view about Singapore government impose racism on Malays n Muslim i cannot accept.As a matter of fact,i find that Muslim are hard to merge into our society n that Western countries also have similar problem is very true.Not only Western countries,an article i read on the newspaper saying Muslim tend to form their "own community" in United States also.
Thing is,my job last time have access to various secondary n primary schools,n Indians n Chinese students mostly speak English n some in their own language among themselves.But Malay students are different,they "definitely" speak Malay within their group n knid of ignore other ppl.
And also,i have seen Chinese n Indians convert their religion from Buddism or Hindu to Christinity or Catholic,or become free thinker.But during my almost 40 yrs of life,i have never seen a single Malay families(especially male),convert to other religion or become free thinker.
Another thing is Malays seem to have friends everywhere.I remember 1 time when i was queue for bus in a bus stop,i met 2 group of Malays.Obviously,these 2 grp of Malays dont know each other,coz they didnt greet to each other initially.Later,out of the blue,they greet each other like very close friends.I was like WTF,i have never seen Chinese,Indians or Caucasians do these kind of thing.
Lastly,if our country is racist,look at how Malaysia n Indonesia behave towards us n other races in their own countries.And if u tell me that Malaysia didnt support the Muslim terrorists in Southern Thailand n Philipphines,stiring up the bloodshed in these countries,i dont believe it.
P.S I am not against Muslim,everyone got the rights to believe in different religions.If i offended anyone,sorry about that.But,this is how i feel when i work or interact with them.
Ha. Caucasians and SIngaporeans do that as well- meeting people similar to yourself and striking up a conversation, you have no idea. I have met far more Muslims in Malaysia and Singapore that frankly do not care about the religion, but people from the Middle-east are much more stringent.
Also, most of the so called Muslims in the EU do not come from Southeast Asia, but the M. East.But i do believe that if we had Malays in Europe, there would be less problems because the Islam we encounter here in Southeast Asia is far more benign than in the Middle East. You would never have radical mosques in Singapore as you do in London (since we love free speech and stuff like that). Plus there is the language problem, we speak far better english here and it would be easy to integrate. I am merely saying that
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Originally posted by angel7030:
We dun mind PAP get voted out, the problem is WHO WILL TAKE OVER< if it is one of our bunche of oppositions of today, you better forget it, get a more credible one please, if not better stick with PAP, no fish, shrimp also good
who say must choose between fish and shrimp?
we can choose eat half a fish and half a shrimp mah.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
First of all, you have to get it right, Malay is a race, Muslim is a religion, so when you want to talk about Malay, you are talking about a race, if you talk about Muslim, you are talking about the whole islam religion.It is not wrong for races to form their own group, as homo sapien, just as animal instinct, we are group gathering creature, even different species of bear stay with each other. So, this is natural, what is so wrong with some races making brotherhood and sisterhood with each other, let them be, as long as they do not disturb us, and we do not disturb them, that is both respect each other spaces and cultures, live in harmony, let it be,
Dont get me wrong,if there is no disturbance or force issues in here,i wont say anything.But then,i kind of remember that if u married a Malay,u have to convert to Muslim i suppose,both in here,Malaysia n Indonesia?Huh?
And also,i have heard that,(forgive me if it wasnt true),that if a family member want to convert to other religion,the parents will threaten to "disown" them?Huh?
I have a relative who work as lawyer in Malaysia,thing is,he has no customers unless he convert to Muslim,which he did.And as we know,in Malaysia,u want to become Muslim is very easy,but if u want to leave it,its very difficult n u have to attend religious court?Huh?
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Originally posted by 4sg:
who say must choose between fish and shrimp?
we can choose eat half a fish and half a shrimp mah.
Ya lor,we can choose to eat half half mah.
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And perhaps i didnt put it well last night coz i am on medication,i already try to cut down or not to take the medicine.Anyway,i am not against Malays or Muslim,i cant get along with them.
But its just abit of my view over some issue about the religion n how our neignbouring countries behave.I am a person who,if have any doubts,like to open up n discuss.I dont like to keep inside my heart,like what the PAP ministers are doing.They simply label some issues as sensitive,n forbid discussion.Which i dissent.
Who knows right,we might be able to get along better if we try to discuss n understand each other better.
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And i welcome criticism,which u guys did,i am glad about that.But i just want to express my views,and dont worry,i wont send lawyer letters like some 12 yrs old politicians did.
Not the fact that i am not capable,but even if i able,i also wont do such stupid n foolish thing.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
And perhaps i didnt put it well last night coz i am on medication,i already try to cut down the medicine.Anyway,i am not against Malays or Muslim,i cant get along with them.
But its just abit of my view over some issue about the religion n how our neignbouring countries behave.I am a person who,if have any doubts,like to open up n discuss.I dont like to keep inside my heart,like what the PAP ministers are doing.They simply label some issues as sensitive,n forbid discussion.Which i dissent.
Who knows right,we might be able to get along better if we try to discuss n understand each other better.
just dun go too deep into this topic. In sg, race, religion and culture are still ob markers.
nobody here take by my meimei seriously, only u. think she is on more medication
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Originally posted by 4sg:
just dun go too deep into this topic. In sg, race, religion and culture are still ob markers.
nobody here take by my meimei seriously, only u. think she is on more medication
LOL,kk.
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By the way,i still support CSJ.
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And our country multicultural fail also,perhaps even worse than Western countries n America.Coz like what u say,in singapore,race,religion n culture are still ob markers.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
And our country multicultural fail also,perhaps even worse than Western countries n America.Coz like what u say,in singapore,race,religion n culture are still ob markers.
Fuck Harry Lee's ob markers. Trying to suppress political discussion, that fucking anglo dog who weakened chinese culture, suppressed dialects, destroyed chinese schools, anglicised our society.
We follow that dog's ob markers, then I can't even say that he is a peranakan anglo dog trying to suppress the chinese in Singapore.
Still want to act like a fake chinese, that Harry Lee.
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You are right...actually i dont want to post in here anymore,but just incase LKY happens to read this,u know...LKY like to hypnotize himself that what he does was right n that there are no problem under his dictatorial ruling.But i can tell u frankly bro,i have try this method before when i encounter problem,it simply wasnt going to work....The next morning i wake up,the problem is still there.....Its not going to work...Definitely...
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I have tried this method so many times that i gave up already,it simply wasnt going to work.