I dunno the strength of the opposition group in singapore.. and how many vote for or against PAP at the end of the day.
I am voting PAP for sure, for now. For others who believe its good to uproot PAP... do work hard. Maybe PAP is uprootable, i dunno. I think its unlikely. most people vote PAP at the end of the day... its around 60% mostly favouring PAP....
we will see.... it has been always been PAP winning elections , so I think its not a bullshit party... well, opposition now seems to be feeling confident.. but we shall see. If govt is really lousy and opposition people are growing.. we will surely see PAP topple one day... If PAP does not get topple everytime.. its only means that opposition people are not growing and spreading.
Originally posted by january:I dunno the strength of the opposition group in singapore.. and how many vote for or against PAP at the end of the day.
I am voting PAP for sure, for now. For others who believe its good to uproot PAP... do work hard. Maybe PAP is uprootable, i dunno. I think its unlikely. most people vote PAP at the end of the day... its around 60% mostly favouring PAP....
we will see.... it has been always been PAP winning elections , so I think its not a bullshit party... well, opposition now seems to be feeling confident.. but we shall see. If govt is really lousy and opposition people are growing.. we will surely see PAP topple one day... If PAP does not get topple everytime.. its only means that opposition people are not growing and spreading.
I think the best solution is still to keep the incumbent party in power BUT vote in more opposition (i'd say at least 30%) to act as a check against the incumbent party.
So far, it seems like a dual party system where there are 2 dominant parties seems to work best - one, as a check against the other, two, to take over the other party should the country start showing signs of problems.
Singaporeans would have loved to keep the incumbent party forever in the government if the needs and interests of the people are well taken care of. However, it seems that in recent years, this trust has been severely taken advantage of.
More and more mega blunders and bad policies have brought on countless problems to the citizens in general. If Singaporeans were forward thinking, they will need to adjust their mindsets to consider the possibility that the incumbent party might one day fail to deliver what they have promised and if that were to happen, they will need immediately another party to take over the helm.
This scenario is highly possible given the rate of change in the world today coupled with the complacency the incumbent party has shown to the people in its handling of recent boo boos.
In simple terms to the layperson, voting for more alternative voices into parliament is like buying insurance. Nobody wants bad things to happen. But when it does, you want to make sure you have made ample preparations to tide you through the crisis.
Going by the events that have occured in the past years, one can see that something is not quite right in the country. We need to prepare ourselves for the eventuality that things can and will change suddenly.
We need to buy "insurance".
I will vote for anything except PAP.
I say we keep the incumbent party in power.
Originally posted by charlize:.
Singaporeans would have loved to keep the incumbent party forever in the government if the needs and interests of the people are well taken care of.
But 33% didn't vote for PAP in 2006.
What about the 33%? They don't want PAP in power.
33% of Singaporean voters in 2006 don't want PAP in power.
33% of Singaporean voters don't want Lee Hsien Loong as prime minster.
Mr. Lee Hsien Loong. Although satisfying, the results were not all to his favour. He had polled fewer votes than his predecessor, Mr. Goh Chok Tong. The six-member WP team of first-timers mostly in their 20s, termed 'virgin politicians', stole some of his luster, polling 33%in his Ang Moh Kio GRC.
PAP chairman Lim Boon Heng had predicted up to 85% win for the PM.
Why it is better to have more alternative parties in Parliament:
Quote from a scene in Alien Vs Predator:
Alexa 'Lex' Woods:
[Rousseau is loading a pistol] Seven seasons on the ice, and I've never seen a gun save someone's life.
Adele Rousseau:
I don't plan on using it.
Alexa 'Lex' Woods:
Then why bring it?
Adele Rousseau:
Same principle as a condom. I'd rather have one and not need it, then need it and not have one.
Originally posted by charlize:I think the best solution is still to keep the incumbent party in power BUT vote in more opposition (i'd say at least 30%) to act as a check against the incumbent party.
So far, it seems like a dual party system where there are 2 dominant parties seems to work best - one, as a check against the other, two, to take over the other party should the country start showing signs of problems.
Singaporeans would have loved to keep the incumbent party forever in the government if the needs and interests of the people are well taken care of. However, it seems that in recent years, this trust has been severely taken advantage of.
More and more mega blunders and bad policies have brought on countless problems to the citizens in general. If Singaporeans were forward thinking, they will need to adjust their mindsets to consider the possibility that the incumbent party might one day fail to deliver what they have promised and if that were to happen, they will need immediately another party to take over the helm.
This scenario is highly possible given the rate of change in the world today coupled with the complacency the incumbent party has shown to the people in its handling of recent boo boos.
In simple terms to the layperson, voting for more alternative voices into parliament is like buying insurance. Nobody wants bad things to happen. But when it does, you want to make sure you have made ample preparations to tide you through the crisis.
Going by the events that have occured in the past years, one can see that something is not quite right in the country. We need to prepare ourselves for the eventuality that things can and will change suddenly.
We need to buy "insurance".
Another point.
Globally, things are moving faster. Not individual's but global economic/political issues.
The slow, slow world of yester-years is a thing of the past.
We need politicians to be hardnosed on the ground. 24/7 for the ppl, with the ppl and by the ppl.
Not busy being adviser, ceo, director of X nos of companies and still being an MP.
Or ministars treating parliment as place for siesta. It's disgraceful.
I think the checking system argument is weak. What is there to check?
Its either you make the opposition strong and solid, and topple PAP.
A minority opposition does not have much executive power other than just menial oberservation posts.
Originally posted by january:I think the checking system argument is weak. What is there to check?
PAP needs majority seats to pass bills, amend constitution etc.
Opposition can block the PAP bills or launch a vote of no confidence against PAP regime.
wah i didn't realize got so many PAP dicksuckers leh.................
maybe they in govt jobs lah.........
PAP is staying in power becoz mostly of..................
1) Stupidity and ignorance of S'poreans..............
2) S'poreans fear PAP
### 3) people working in the civil service and govt-linked companies and their families feel COMPELLED to vote for PAP..................(we're talking about hundreds of thousands of votes here already)
as long as people thinks GOVT = PAP...............they're too scared to go against Govt so they vote PAP.............plus people are scared of change also........
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:PAP needs majority seats to pass bills, amend constitution etc.
Opposition can block the PAP bills or launch a vote of no confidence against PAP regime.
But a coaliation government can be problematic.
Launch a vote of no confidence? Dont siao le, so long as PAP got 50% of the seats, such vote also no use. People will see the oppositions as troublemaker and 1970s history will repeat. On the other hand, if PAP has less than 50% of the seats, then they are not government / ruling party anymore. So why need such vote??
Block PAP bills? That will do when PAP has less than 2/3 of the majority and indeed will improve on negoitation with the ppl / oppositions.
Originally posted by Fire Engine:But a coaliation government can be problematic.
Launch a vote of no confidence? Dont siao le, so long as PAP got 50% of the seats, such vote also no use. People will see the oppositions as troublemaker and 1970s history will repeat. On the other hand, if PAP has less than 50% of the seats, then they are not government / ruling party anymore. So why need such vote??
Block PAP bills? That will do when PAP has less than 2/3 of the majority and indeed will improve on negoitation with the ppl / oppositions.
Actually I agree with january's view that opposition should overthrow PAP and take power.
If that is not your aim, don't start opposition or join opposition.
Vote for what PAP has done in the past 5 years.... And not what they have helped Singapore over the past 45 years.
This theory is the same as what bosses view employees these days. What has the employee been doing these 5 years? Contributing? Or just free loading? Productive or non-productive? Employers won't look at what the employee has done over the past 45 years. But the critical moment.. what they are doing now.
Give the PAP the due credit for what they have done over these 5 years.
Good or bad, you decide.
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:Singapore, an unconstitutional "constitutional" dictatorship
updated Oct 8, 2010
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Singapore strongman 88 year old Lee Kuan Yew has effectively fooled the majority of Singaporeans and indeed quite a portion of the world into thinking Singapore is a "constitutional democracy"; that is up till now.
This is how he has done it. When Singapore became independent as Malaysia and later as Singapore alone, it was created as a constitutional democracy, a constitution similar to most constitutions in the democratic world including the American.
Constitutional provisions as we know are supreme and sacrosanct, and in most democracies impossible or almost impossible to change, because they contain the fundamental rights of the people such as freedom of speech, expression and the other fundamental human rights which we all should be taking for granted.
In order to protect your fundamental rights, all constitutions also include an article which makes illegal and void any law which violates your human rights in the constitution.
For instance, as the constitution protects your freedom of speech, any law which Parliament passes which takes away that right is illegal, because the right to freedom of speech is your inalienable right.
In order to make sure that your fundamental rights are not denied to you, under Singapore's Constitution, any attempt to change Constitutional provisions would require a 2/3 majority vote in Parliament.
Furthermore even if you could get 2/3 of Parliament to vote for constitutional change, there must be a real need (such as an emergency)for such a 2/3 vote to be accepted.
The reason behind this difficulty to change the Constitution is because in democracies people's fundamental rights such as freedom of speech have to protected at all costs. These rights have been enshrined in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human rights.
The idea being that freedom is a good thing, and people work and live better in societies with freedom and liberty.
But Lee Kuan Yew does not believe in democracy. He believes in fascism. So he creates in Singapore a fascist state but outwardly having the trappings of democracy. This is how he does it.
He takes away all the fundamental freedoms enshrined in the Constitution that you have, by changing it completely through Parliamentary amendments. In Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore "Constitution", you do not have freedom of speech, because you need a permit, to speak publicly, which by the way, you will not get. He takes away your fundamental right to assemble by placing a requirement that you need a permit. And so on and so forth; each and every right that you should have in the Constitution are taken away.
He does this by "complying" with the Constitution, which is, by getting 2/3 majority vote in Parliament by which he passes these laws. And if you were to ask how he manages to get these 2/3 majority votes in Parliament, the answer is very simple. He simply rigs the elections to make sure that only his supporters win.
And if you ask how he rigs them, it is like this. First he threatens and persecutes any Singaporean with defamation actions and imprisonment if you openly criticize him, his son, his family or his party.
Since every opposition politician has been sued bankrupted and jailed, no one with any ability or political ambition ever stands against him. The only ones who win are his own party members. And even if by chance, someone stood against him despite these dangers, immediately thereafter he is either sued, bankrupted or jailed, dismissed from his job and made a pauper. Today out of a Parliament of 84, 82 members belong to his party. Even the 2 so-called opposition members have been effectively silenced. They are just lame ducks.
And if all else fails, he simply stuffs the ballot boxes.
Singapore is today effectively a one party dictatorship, no different from Communist China, Cuba, North Korea or Burma.
At the same time, he controls the newspapers, the media, the trade unions and everything else. There is a name for this kind of government. It is called fascism.
At the same time, he makes sure that he is surrounded by people who have no leadership qualities or political aspirations whatsoever, being people who have just passed their exams. That way his grip on power is never threatened, since none of them has any political ambitions. They are Members of Parliament and Ministers merely because Lee Kuan Yew put them there, and any time he chooses, he can kick them out.
All his ministers have had scholarships and were educated in foreign institutions. After they graduate, he basically "buys" them over with large salaries and benefits. They, in return for the large salaries they get, do the dirty work for him. They arrest opposition candidates, freedom activists, dismiss opponents from employment, refuse to hire anyone who shows opposition tendencies and generally makes life very miserable for anyone who opposes Lee Kuan Yew and his friends.
And they, as grateful sycophants, blow the trumpet and lick the boots of the 88 year old Lee Kuan Yew and by extension, those of his son.
As someone long time ago had said, these are "running dogs" because they do the errands for Lee Kuan Yew.
At the same time, even though he runs a purely fascist one party state, he tells both locals and foreigners, through his state controlled media, that he has a "Parliamentary democracy" because he holds periodical "elections"; that he has the rule of law even though there is no such thing at all, as the judges are all there to protect him, not the rule of law.
In this way he manages to fool many into thinking Singapore is something which it is not.
Singapore today does not really have a "Constitution" at all. It is simply a one party dictatorship where Lee Kuan Yew can pass any law he wants anytime, with you Singaporeans merely living under his pleasure. No different from Kim Jong Il's North Korea except you cannot escape from North Korea while you can from Singapore.
But sadly for him, the cat has effectively now got out of the bag. Thanks to the Internet, the truth is being told, and the pen is proving to be far mightier than the sword, as the axiom tells us.
The people who have become aware of the truth, which I am glad to say is a growing number, are simply saying bye bye to Singapore itself and choosing to live instead in the West.
With Lee Kuan Yew already 88 years old now, this game has got to end very soon, and we can hopefully see a new beginning. The very foundations are rotting from underneath, and this edifice, based on fraud lies violence and deceit cannot withstand much longer. It must collapse.
For Lee Kuan Yew to continue on his merry ways of a dictator, he has to do something which he has not done so far, which is, close the borders like Cuba and North Korea. But trying to deny every basic right that human beings are entitled to have and still expect Singaporeans to prostrate at his feet, as they have done so far, is simply impossible. Lee Kuan Yew simply cannot have the cake and eat it as well.
Gopalan Nair
Gopalan again? I tot he was the joker who hoax on LKY's death?
aiyah.................same thing happen everytime lah...........
people got no balls or brains and vote PAP...............later everyday complain no end...........
if S'poreans got no guts to change things...............then no need to complain lah.......
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:Actually I agree with january's view that opposition should overthrow PAP and take power.
If that is not your aim, don't start opposition or join opposition.
Yaya, aim for long term yes. But I thinking for now (2011 / 2012) to take place, it is kind of snake eat elephant.
Originally posted by Fire Engine:Yaya, aim for long term yes. But I thinking for now (2011 / 2012) to take place, it is kind of snake eat elephant.
At least 1/3 opposition seats in parliament in next general elections.
Build on this and strengthen the opposition parties with the final destruction of PAP by 2015/16 elections.
Dear Gopalan.Thank you! If not for this blog, I would have never googled the Singapore Constitution.
I never knew it existed as I've never seen it before.
I can see from the numerous amendments, that we Singaporeans have no liberty.
LKY bulldozers his rules through his fake parliament.
I am currently working overseas and this is just the push for me to stay here permanently.
http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2010/10/singapore-unconstitutional.html
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:At least 1/3 opposition seats in parliament in next general elections.
Build on this and strengthen the opposition parties with the final destruction of PAP by 2015/16 elections.
Now: 2/84 = 1/42 of the parliament seats
Dont u think that from 1/42 to 1/3 is a great leap forward. I doubt even 1/5 is achievable.
Plan which place can the opp. gets it:
SMC:
Hougang no brainer should go to WP
Assuming Potong Pasir remains at Chiam's wife
Assuming Nee Soon Central is recaptured by SDP (By that former MP in SDP? Which party is he contesting under with IDK.)
That translates to 1/4 of the SMC. I dont think SMCs like MacPherson will be under opposition hands as I used to hang around the area (study, just when 2006 GE is coming) there before recently. Neither do I think that rich ppl in Joo Chiat can allow opposition to win there.
GRC:
Assuming that Hong Kah GRC can be won due to heavypowers by Chiam + Late JBJ's son symphaty votes rather than the crediblity / performance (If heavypowers can win, then Cheng San would have under WP), it would turn into a 6 seats (Or 5)
Another one likely to be Tampines GRC and kick MBT's ass out. But not easy, especially Chiam is not there. This will turn into a 5 seats again.
I doubt GRCs like Marine Parade, Ang Mo Kio, West Coast or Bishan - Toa Payoh can win (Esp. Bishan case with SDP courting to death as their credibility.... CMI coupled with the area is mostly civil servants living there.). West Coast is unlikely even the with JBJ's son due to the fact that the Teban [Ayer Rajah] area is pro-PAP (And yet the transportation there like only a few buses, no MRT / LRT. WTF?) and small opp party can lost their deposit without the need for 3 corner fights.
Sembawang? Difficult also. Esp. the northern part Hospital is built in Yishun.
Ok, GRC max 11seats, which is like 11/74 max (Hong Kah 6 + Tampines 5)
Hence, the total is like 14/86 (Widely speculated 86 seats) = 7/43 of it and not even hits 1/5.
I am hoping for Harry Lee Kuan Yew to die before next elections to stir things up a bit.
His wife is also dead, he should go join his wife, no point being here with us.
Now his life is meaningless except to fuck with us.
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:I am hoping for Harry Lee Kuan Yew to die before next elections to stir things up a bit.
His wife is also dead, he should go join his wife, no point being here with us.
Now his life is meaningless except to fuck with us.
Everyone will die one lah, later u breed such evil intention, then u die first, followed by him.
Originally posted by Fire Engine:Everyone will die one lah, later u breed such evil intention, then u die first, followed by him.
Then why Harry never die? In his heart, he also wanted his opponents to die.
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:Then why Harry never die? In his heart, he also wanted his opponents to die.
Dun Gan chiong, in fact I want him to live in suffer. Why make him die so that he can meet with his wife when other political opponents are forced to separate their loved ones (Wife / GFs?) for >20years? [And he separated from his wifes for merely days if he were to die now]
Scientifically sense, humans are known to live up to only 120 years....
Although they have been in cases some that have lived up to 140 years.... the Indonesian woman who is now 140? Although its darn rare....