Originally posted by likeyou:If there is an opposition party that everybody being talking about and everybody knows their name and party logo...then it will be high time that pap will get boot out from the govt.
Even if pap was boot out this coming ge, whose gonna take over?
Even if mm lee kick the bucket, so what? pap still running as usual.
The only way/solution that a opposition party gets stronger and has been on everbody's lips are that some mps trying to form another party due to some unhappy issues within the PAP.
If not, I find it very hard for any opposition party to take over the PAP. Just like a human veins...it was too complex to dislodge the party.
Anyone who breakaway from PAP and form another party will be immediately arrested under ISA under codename Operation ********. PAP will then come out with all sort of reasons why they were arrested. This was what happened to Barisan Socialis in 1963.
Now, who in PAP will try it?
Originally posted by angel7030:I think you have underestimate the nature of society evolution, in history, when we are under the British, no one would think that LKY will take over, everyone also think when british was gone, how?, when british pulled out their forces, how? when malaysia dun want us, how? but we still survive, and in fact, much better.
Until you managed to kick PAP out of Singapore, someone will definitely be able to take over and lead, the main challenge now is not about who will take over, or who will be the next govt, the critical part now for those oppositions is, how to kick PAP out, not who or what will happen after PAP is out. It is kind of like you cannot even open the door, how to go in and clean it up. Step by step.
Even if no one want to take over, my Uncle Atobe will be more than willing to do the job for a million per year, less than LHL
When pap is a opposition party in malaya, pple living in spore and johor already know pap, and that time, pap has many strong supporters...not that pple dont know who is pap party.
Originally posted by tranquilice:
Anyone who breakaway from PAP and form another party will be immediately arrested under ISA under codename Operation ********. PAP will then come out with all sort of reasons why they were arrested. This was what happened to Barisan Socialis in 1963.Now, who in PAP will try it?
That is one of the main problem....
just look at our opposition now. if u read the news lately, they cant even reconcile with each other! theres so much political infighting within the opposition themselves, they cant even agree with each other! and look at their hypocrisy. for years, opposition like chiam see tong have been crying foul on the basis that pap uses nepotism . but look what happens? Chiam see tong has been raising up his follower for years, teaching him to be his successor, but suddenly, when he retires, he kicks out his succcessor and puts his wife in, claiming she is better. HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST. SO DISGUSTING. u think our EXCELLENT opposition can win? U HOPE.
Actually I am convinced that the party, PAP, can remain a predominant party, as long as it changes the way it recruit its MPs.
MPs should represent the people, the demographics.
Frankly, there is an over-representation by a group of similarly highly educated, highly paid professionals, such as , lawyers, doctors,
They are high achievers and people with calibre, Im sure, but they do not represent the cleaners, the cashiers, the deliveryman, and so on......
If a certain organization, any organization, is sucked in into an incestuous practice, where they just kiss and promote their own kind, their own people, people with similar backgrounds, thoughts, ideas, similar lingo, what happens is that they will get disconnected from the ground.
I think they have realized it already by appointing NMPs, and by appointing people such as Eunice Olsen (charity sector).
But that is not enough.
It should happen not at the margins, but at the core.
Lol most people staying in sg dowan to vote out PAP becos the opposition so weak.
In my perspective they would rather vote PAP and sink slowly then vote opposition and risk an explosion lol.
One virtue of Sg people.... "I can tahan".... lol
Cheeper better and faster!.... If better and faster how to cheeper? U exploiting u noe?
Kind Regards
Genie
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:just look at our opposition now. if u read the news lately, they cant even reconcile with each other! theres so much political infighting within the opposition themselves, they cant even agree with each other! and look at their hypocrisy. for years, opposition like chiam see tong have been crying foul on the basis that pap uses nepotism . but look what happens? Chiam see tong has been raising up his follower for years, teaching him to be his successor, but suddenly, when he retires, he kicks out his succcessor and puts his wife in, claiming she is better. HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST. SO DISGUSTING. u think our EXCELLENT opposition can win? U HOPE.
Opposition wont win ... I think most ppl noe that lol.... so PAP's legacy will continue.... POWER to the RICH.
And you complain about elites.... you vote them in you know lol.
Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Most of them only hot temper toward their subordinates, those under them, but to the public they put up a nice warm smile beneath a anger mind, that is why you see them having split personality illness, so poor thing
LOL!!!
LKY thought that if oppostion parties take over Singapore,it would be the end for the country.What an old sad @ss with his pathetic thinking....
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:Predominant Party System To End Soon in Singapore?
Written by: Gilbert Goh
As this year draws to an end soon, I wondered if there is any other year that is filled more with drama.
From awfully regular flooding in downtown Orchard Road to the recent demise of Mrs Lee Kuan Yew, Singaporeans must be asking themselves if something dramatic is about to happen soon.
It all started off in July this year when there was much ground displeasure at how the government could easily pushed its way through the much-inflated Youth Olympics (YOG) $350 million budget mismanagement.
Many also believed that a single-party dominated governance may not be ideal for the country as of late, the government seems lost and lacking in direction.
Moreover, its growth-at-all-cost direction means that many people suffer from the consequences of its’ open-door policy as the effects of globalisation took its toll on the low and middle income earners. Many struggle to make ends meet and some have succumb to life’s pressures with adverse consequences.
Increasing Frustration Among Voters
There is also the general belief that there is lack of transparency among the policy makers and a PAP-dominated Parliament has ensured that accountability can remain minimal with no apparent consequences.
The general population is increasingly frustrated that nothing can be done when they feel that something is amiss. Many vented their frustration anonymously on online socio-political platforms knowing well that nothing can be done to change anything in real-life.
For example, the people could not really bring the government to task when there is regular flooding in the country whenever there is a heavy downpour. The usual rhetoria issued by the PUB agency does not really appease the frustration faced by most Singaporeans.
More importantly, many have questioned: “Is there any other way that matters can be resolved than constantly threatening the government with an alternative vote?”
Worse of all, most elections are won by the ruling party and many have took to emigrating to escape the stifling political climate here.
In other countries, strong interest groups have rose up and they have spoken out on behalf of the people affected by certain policies in place. Many interest groups were even invited by the government to present their research papers so that they are always in consultation before a legislation is being drafted out.
In fact, there is a fund available for some interest groups to draw on so that their activities can be properly financed.
Our government’s ill-conceived fear that any interest group or society that meddles into politics is harmful to the country has deterred many from risking themselves too much in pursuing after their cause.
After all, most social causes have a political linkage and trying to draw a line between the two is simply too naive.
There is no perfect government in the world and those that function well has learn to listen humbly and try to implement policies that best meet the needs of the general population.
There will always be some that will loathe whatever policies that are being put up by the government but at least it must be seen to have shown enough care and concern before a legislation is being implemented that will affect the general population.
This is one reason why our government is often being labelled as autocratic and uncaring as the country is run like a corporation derived of any compassion and emotion.
Its main aim is to generate as much GDP as possible so that it is seen as doing well when in actual fact, much of the population is living in poverty due to a long period of depressed wages.
Predominant Party System To End Soon?
Though our government is trying to consult the population through mass meet-the-people sessions, there is little to convince the people that their ideas are being implemented. Some have even lamented that such sessions are organised to show that the government has done something to consult with the people even though the legislation is already cooking in the pot unchanged.
Many also ponder if there is going to be a general election coming this year end. The million-dollar question to ask of course is: “Will the opposition make any headway in our PAP-dominated government?”
Some have optimistically predicted that one or even more GRCs may fall to the opposition in the next election due to the very bitter ground that the government is now treading on.
To it’s credit, the government has caught wind of the changing tide and implemented a series of changes to appease the population:
1.The ever-rising property prices were knocked back last month when the government imposed a series of measures to intervene in the property market. Many citizens have complained that they could not buy any resale HDB flats as permanent residents compete aggressively for such housing forcing them to retreat to a corner.
2. Slowing down the influx of foreigners into our country. The government has promised to slow down the intake of foreigners into the country as citizens complained of crowded trains and lack of space at the shopping malls. More importantly, the huge inflow of foreigners mean that local citizens face intense competition for jobs. Some have predicted that the reduction in intake of foreigners may be seen as too-little-too-late as the ramifications of the foreign-talent policy have taken root and many citizens felt very displaced and disenchanted.
3. Knowing that ordinary Singaporeans are very pragmatic people, the government has promised to credit $9,000 to any male citizen who has completed national service into their CPF account. Many netizens believed that this is a desperate vote-snatching gesture which may not work this time round as the money could not be immediately realised as its placed directly into the CPF account for retirement purposes.
Escalating Political Interest Among Voters
Not since Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia in 1965 did political interest reached such a feverish pitch among the populace. Socio-political internet site’ readership gained new highs as Singaporeans tried to stay plugged into the latest happenings. There was also heightened interest among the young voters as they joined opposition parties in droves. However, is this enough to drive political reform in our country?
History has shown that most democratic societies will face changes in governance after a party has dominated for more than fifty years. We all have seen how the powerful Malaysian UNMO party was miraculously deposed of its majority rule by a resurgent PAS in the recent election. PAS now controlled at least half of the states in West Malaysia ensuring that a two-party majority system prevails there.
Mismanagement, talks of widespread corruption in governance and racial politics have all contributed to the political demise of UMNO.
In Japan, the same thing happened when the Liberal Democratic party (LDP), holding office as the governing party for the very long period from 1955 to 1993, was knocked off its perch (source: insideasia.typepad.com).
The party splitted into two factions during a turbulent period and political reform came about when one reformed party managed to break free and formed a coalition government with the opposition.
Political infighting, corruption and a a strong opposition are all factors that led to the downfall of the predominant party system in Japan in 1994.
Many have also predicted that in Singapore, real political reform will only come about when the PAP is splitted into two political factions competing with each other at the polls.
Our weak divided opposition has ensured that the government will remain in power even though there are enough opposition voters out there. Many simply do not have the chance to vote due to the walk-over effect.
It is estimated that at least one out of three voters will cast their vote for the opposition in any contested constituency.
MM Lee Kuan Yew has mentioned this political dynamics before when he commented that there was a split within Parliament as a consensus could not be reached on the issue of voting for two integrated resorts to be placed in Singapore.
Nevertheless, such political reforming looks a tall order here as our Members of Parliament (MP) are tightly controlled and many do not survive more than two elections. The short tenure means that most MPs and even ministers do not have a strong political foothold to do anything out of the ordinary. Our squeaky-clean political environment also does not allow any dissent to generate from the party chambers.
Most could not even vote according to their conscience as the party whip is hardly lifted.
Moreover, it is clear that absolute power is held by a few strongmen in governance. Besides the PM, the current crop of senior ministers such as Minister for National Development, Mr Mah Bow Tan, the two deputy PMs – Mr Teo Chee Yean and Mr Wong Kan Seng, still pull the power strings behind close doors and remain very much in control.
Strongman MM Lee is also a influential figure that could still hold the balance of power if there is a possible conflict within the government.
Singaporeans will perhaps need to wait for at least another generation to pass before real political reform can take place. After all, history has shown that no political power can remain in power for more than 50 years and this must have provide clear relief for those who are young enough to see through the political changes in our country.
A good and common example of a TRAITOROUS Singaporean with Rebellious Intent to cause social disruption to the peaceful balance of all residents of Singapore.
The author, Mr Gilbert Goh should be ashamed being a Singaporean and holding onto the Singapore passport...if he is a Singaporean.
IT is a well-known facts that Singaporeans would restort to such irrational and rebellious behaviour only when they have realised that they are not in control of their own lives.
People who encouraged political reforms in times of chaos and turmoil are regarded as Heroes and Revolutionaries.
People who encouraged political reforms in times of peace and prosperity will be regarded as Traitors and Rebels. - Such people are really the true idiots in our current society who are constantly seeking some form of recognition to feed their attention deficit syndrome.
So is Mr. Gilbert Goh a revolutionary writer or rebel? I'm sure the readers are well-educated enough to think for themselves.
The day we can see ONE, JUST ONE opposition party who can even get their act together.......... yeah, like strawberry icecream with cherries on top ^^
Originally posted by Genie99a:Lol most people staying in sg dowan to vote out PAP becos the opposition so weak.
In my perspective they would rather vote PAP and sink slowly then vote opposition and risk an explosion lol.
One virtue of Sg people.... "I can tahan".... lol
Cheeper better and faster!.... If better and faster how to cheeper? U exploiting u noe?
Kind Regards
Genie
Indeed opposition party is weak. They should in fact work as a team and come up 1 name. To form together and fight against pap. Look around us, we have at least a few opposition parties..and the members are very limited. Shouldnt they combined together to be formiable?
they have tried onnce, it only ended in failure, so i've heard.
Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:they have tried onnce, it only ended in failure, so i've heard.
They = Public
Once = Opposition party
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