TR trying to incite hatred within the country?
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Do you think TR is trying to incite disunity within the country? They will spin stories without looking at the actual content and to the point that it is out of context? Why the government did not do anything to stop them?
An example would be the below article by TR. They took a few sentences from 2 different interviews, disregarded the context of why the issue was discussed and put it together. They spin it to indicate as if Malays are not regarded as part of the country. This would cause a lot of unhappiness amongst the Malay.
This is irresponsible news reporting.Lee Kuan Yew: We are largely Chinese and Indians
September 29th, 2010 | Author: Your Correspondent
In a sign that age is catching up on him, PAP strongman Lee Kuan Yew made an unusual gaffe when he appeared to forget about the existence of the Malay community in Singapore in a remark made at the Russia-Singapore Business Forum yesterday.
Speaking in response to a question on Russia’s growth over the next decade, Lee claimed that Russia’s challenge was to develop its own entrepreneurs like Singapore.
He then shocked the audience with a comment which is completely off tangent:
“We’re trying to do that. But we are hampered by culture. We’re largely Chinese and Indians. And both Chinese and Indians, the best go into government, (they) don’t go into enterprise.”
Singapore is not just largely Chinese and Indians. Ethnic Malays form about 15 percent of Singapore’s population though it has decreased slightly in recent years due to the relentless influx of immigrants from China and India with the result that Indians now form 9 percent of Singapore’s popuation, up from 7 percent 10 years ago.
This is not the first time that Lee has made a controversial remark about the ethnic minorities in Singapore.
In an interview with National Geographic magazine this year, he said:
“Well, we make them say the national pledge and sing the national anthem but suppose we have a famine, will your Malay neighbour give you the last few grains of rice or will she share it with her family or fellow Muslim or vice versa?”.
He also added that it is a “good thing” that Singapore is accepting so many Chinese immigrants (from mainland China) as they are more “hard-striving” and “hard-driving” than locals.
At 87 years of age, Lee is probably the oldest living minister and MP in the world. Though he admitted himself he is not doing much work lately except “forecasting”, he is paid more than $3 million dollars a year by Singapore taxpayers.
Lee has been dropping subtle hints in the media lately that he is not quite ready to retire in the next general election, leaving Singaporeans with little choice but to continue to put up with his freudian slips in the near future.
http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/09...e-and-indians/Challenge for Singapore is to grow pool of entrepreneurs: MM Lee
by Hoe Yeen Nie
05:55 AM Sep 29, 2010
SINGAPORE - The challenge for Singapore and Russia is to grow their pool of entrepreneurs, said Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
"We're trying to do that. But we are hampered by culture. We're largely Chinese and Indians. And both Chinese and Indians, the best go into Government, don't go into enterprise," said Mr Lee at a dialogue organised by the Russia-Singapore Business Forum yesterday evening.
"The economy can be structured to allow enterprise but enterprise itself must be done by entrepreneurs - people who say: 'Ah yes, I will make that into a money-making venture'."
MM Lee arrived for the dialogue about an hour late as he had gone for a check-up.
Moderator Michael Tay, executive director of the Russia-Singapore Business Forum Organising Council, explained that Mr Lee had suffered a fall the day before.
Mr Lee looked well and he took questions from the floor.
When asked about his most important lesson as a leader of Singapore, Mr Lee said for Singapore to work, the system must be kept incorruptible, meritocratic and efficient. It was these traits, he added, that moved the country from being a purely Asian one in the two, three decades after independence, to an increasingly cosmopolitan one.
The hour-long session also saw questions on Sino-Japan relations, as well as the future growth of countries like Brazil, China, India and Russia.
There were some lighter moments too.
"MM, are you happy?" Mr Tay asked.
"Sometimes, not all the time. A person who's happy all the time, I think won't make much progress," Mr Lee replied, to laughter from the audience.
The annual forum marks growing economic ties between Russia and Singapore.
Political relations are getting warmer too.
Yesterday afternoon, the Russian Deputy Chairman Sergey Sobyanin met Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at the Istana.
Mr Sobyanin is in Singapore for the inaugural meeting of the Russia-Singapore Inter-Governmental Commission, a high-level grouping whose objective is to foster bilateral trade and investment.
Mr Sobyanin co-chairs the commission with Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong. The next meeting will take place in Moscow next year. HOE YEEN NIE
http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore...eneurs--MM-LeeQ: “So when, don’t take this the wrong way, but when you decided to close the Chinese stream education and the college, what was the rationale behind that and do you ever regret doing that?”
Mr Lee: “No, I regret not doing it faster because politically, if there’d been a violent electoral protest in the next elections because they’re so wedded to the idea that language means, culture means, life means everything. But I’m a pragmatist and you can’t make a living with the Chinese language in Singapore. The first duty of the government is to be able to feed its people, to feed its people in a little island. There’s no hinterland and no farming, you have got to trade and you have got to do something to get people buy your goods or services or get people to come here and manufacture themselves, export, ready-made markets and multinationals which I stumbled on when I went to Harvard for a term in 1968 and I said oh, this could solve my unemployment problem. So we brought the semiconductors factories here and one started, the whole herd came and we became a vast centre for production of computers and computer peripherals. But they all speak English, multinationals from Japan, Europe, whatever European country they come from, they speak English. So Chinese-educated were losing out and they were disgruntled because they got the poorer jobs and lesser pay. So eventually our own Members of Parliament were Chinese-educated and graduates from the Chinese university said okay, we have got do something. We’re ruining these people’s careers. By that time, the university was also losing its good students and getting bum students. Because they took in poor students, they graduated them on lower marks and so the degree became valueless. So when you apply for a job with a Chinese university degree, you hide your degree and produce your school certificate. So I tried to change it from within, the Education Minister was Chinese-educated and English-educated to convert it from within because most of the teachers have American PhDs. So they did their thesis in English but they’ve forgotten their English as they’ve been teaching in Chinese, so it couldn’t be done. So I merged them with the English speaking university. Great unhappiness and dislocation for the first few years but when they graduated, we put it to them do you want your old university degree or you want English university degree? All opted for the English university degree. That settled it.”
Q: “In recent events as China begins to ascend, I mean, would you?”
Mr Lee: “No, no. It makes no difference. We are not going to tie ourselves to China to the extent it makes us hostage. I mean, we have many investments there because the older generation are Chinese-educated, they feel comfortable but the younger generation, they have enough Chinese who want to go there and do business and they can ramp it up if you want because once you are able to listen and speak and read without writing, you can pick it up. And not everybody wants to go there and we’ve been offering scholarships to their top universities, Beijing, Qinghua, Hudan, very few takers. They say nah, I want to go to America or Britain because they know they’re coming back here and competing in English.”
Q: “Do you think that, I mean, one question I wanted to ask you was building a country from scratch is obviously an enormous achievement, accomplishment.”
Mr lee: “No, it’s not a nation. It’s a society in transition. You need a few hundred years to build a nation.”
Q: “Oh really?”
Mr Lee: “Yes.”
Q: “You have a lot of countries running around claiming they’re nations. You don’t think they really are nations?”
Mr Lee: “Well, we make them say the national pledge and sing the national anthem but suppose we have a famine, will your Malay neighbour give you the last few grains of rice or will she share it with her family or fellow Muslim or vice versa?”
Q: “Depends on the person, doesn’t it? No, it doesn’t?”
Mr Lee: “No, I think there comes a time, I read a book by Edward Wilson who was Harvard.”
Q: “I know who he is.”
Mr Lee: “And he wrote about human beings.”
Q: “Actual past ones.”
Mr Lee: “And he described the Maoris. So when two tribes were fighting, the third tribe will come and see which tribe is more our side, more genes like us and they joined that side. So it’s an instinct. Can you overcome that instinct? Edward Wilson says culture can overcome because he’s American, he knows a mix of Europeans and others. But it takes many, many years. Yes, they all do the military service, equal treatment, equal pay, equal hardship, job opportunities but we live in concentric circles. Cross marriages, yes a few, usually the parents are most unhappy. Then where do you belong, the children of the cross marriages? Sometimes they get reabsorbed in their father ethnic group and they carry the father’s surname. Sometimes, if you become a Muslim then whether you’re male or female, you join the other side. But it has happened to the margins more and more. But I think the instinct, the human instinct is still there. I mean, it’s in America.”
Q: “I live in New York which is similar to Singapore in a way.”
Mr Lee: “No, I mean, I used to talk to an Indian. He was the administrator of Agra and we were driving back to Delhi. This was in the late 1970s. So he was telling me he was writing a thesis on Shakespeare, a highly-educated man. At that time, English-educated, that generation. So I said, supposing I pretend as a caste, supposing I pretend I’m a Brahmin, high caste and I invite you to dinner, he said yeah I’ll come. You give me a good dinner, I’ll come. Now supposing I want to marry your daughter? He says that’s different. The most thorough inquiries will be made. So I said supposing I tell you I came from Calcutta and how you’re going to find me. He says no, you’ve got to live somewhere in Calcutta, you must have your family, your neighbours, your friends in Calcutta, we’ll find out. Then we’ll know what caste you belong to.”
Q: “So as long as you have enough human trail people will figure out who you are.”
Mr Lee: “Yes, and in Japan, they do it a different way. They exclude the Chinese and the Koreans who have been there for generations. They’re still not Japanese citizens. Some had become since the West started criticizing them because you may have a Japanese name and you speak perfect Japanese, but for promotions, where is your home village? Never mind, I come from Tokyo, Osaka or Kobe. No where is your home domicile and they will trace you there.”
Q: “So what you’re saying now is this somewhat contradictory to the programme that you have here where you have the quotas? It’s really human nature, the people hang out with their own kind. Can you legislate that? Can you do anything about that?”
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/12/...eo-transcript/ (See here for the full transcript to understand why this was mentioned)http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=76225
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Those in red were the actual words reported by the mainstream media in the first case.
TR just took the words in and typed it as a report. Whats wrong? -
Am I the only one who loves and support MM Lee's comments? He just gained much respect from me. Much truth in his words!
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Am I the only one who loves and support MM Lee's comments? He just gained much respect from me. Much truth in his words!
I think there's a million more out there.....
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
Those in red were the actual words reported by the mainstream media in the first case.
TR just took the words in and typed it as a report. Whats wrong?TR intentionally select the sentence without considering the circumstances why it was mentioned in that manner. This is totally irresponsible.
During the Russia - Singapore forum, they were talking about the potiental of Indian and China market. So of course, MM only mentioned these 2.
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TR trying to incite hatred within the country?
But you must understand that Lee Kuan Yew is a racist.
http://seelanpalay.blogspot.com/2010/02/lee-kuan-yew-on-race-culture-genes.html
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@ Vote pap out
beware of what you say mann.... defamation case then you know. -
Originally posted by Junyang700:
@ Vote pap out
beware of what you say mann.... defamation case then you know.Don't spread such stuff online.
It will lead to people being afraid to criticise PAP and Lee Kuan Yew.
This article has described in detail the character of Lee Kuan Yew's racial views
substantially using his own words as evidence. After a lifetime of being circumspect
on the question of race, Lee has finally spoken openly, revealing himself as
doctrinaire racist. Yet it would be a mistake to condemn Lee as a hard line racist in
every sense of the word. Such a characterisation of his views would be a distortion of
both his logic and his natural disposition. There can be no doubt that Lee is a racist in
the sense that he believes that some races and some ethnically-based cultures are
inherently superior to others. His own words leave no doubt about this assertion,
though it should be recognised that this in itself hardly makes him remarkable in Asia.
He is also a racist in the sense that he has integrated his racial views into his political
agenda and he has created a regime which accentuates racial categorisation.
http://seelanpalay.blogspot.com/2010/02/lee-kuan-yew-on-race-culture-genes.html
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
But you must understand that Lee Kuan Yew is a racist.
http://seelanpalay.blogspot.com/2010/02/lee-kuan-yew-on-race-culture-genes.html
Of all those articles in the web, you choose seelanpalay?
If LKY is racist, then we would have bumiputra system for Chinese.
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Wah, so many new posters suddenly popping up like toadstools after a rainy day.
Election is coming, election is coming, election is coming.
Please start voting.
Love your country.
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Originally posted by Bradan:
Of all those articles in the web, you choose seelanpalay?
The study that Lee Kuan Yew is a racist is by Prof. Michael Barr, not Seelan Palay.
His study shows that Lee Kuan Yew is a racist.
Lee Kuan Yew on Race, Culture, Genes
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He's a racist!? Never mind, it's always OK since it's not towards the Chinese or Indians.
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
He's a racist!? Never mind, it's always OK since it's not towards the Chinese or Indians.
racist towards malays can or not?
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Originally posted by Bradan:
If LKY is racist, then we would have bumiputra system for Chinese.
No, we would have bumiputra system for peranakans.
Chinese schools must be destroyed, dialects must be suppressed and destroyed, country must be anglicised and peranakans must dominate political power.
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WTF! I'll get out of the country if such stupid actions as above are carried out. That will make Singapore worse than Malaysia!
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
The study that Lee Kuan Yew is a racist is by Prof. Michael Barr, not Seelan Palay.
His study shows that Lee Kuan Yew is a racist.
Lee Kuan Yew on Race, Culture, Genes
You need a foreigner to to tell you how your own polictial leaders are like? That is so sad as you're living here and the guys is like based the other part of the world. You trust the word of someone who is not even living here more than your own experience here?
No wonder Singaporeans has this FT are more superior mentality. You dun even trust yourself.
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Just scrutinise all the hogwash selective statistical reporting by ST all these years and you may feel better about it.
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Originally posted by Bradan:
You need a foreigner to to tell you how your own polictial leaders are like? That is so sad as you're living here and the guys is like based the other part of the world. You trust the word of someone who is not even living here more than your own experience here?
No wonder Singaporeans has this FT are more superior mentality. You dun even trust yourself.
From what I know, the gahmen itself also has this "FT are more superior" mentality.
Look at the number of FT they are bringing in, as compared to other countries and also the scholarships given out like hotcakes to China and India students. -
Originally posted by Bradan:
You need a foreigner to to tell you how your own polictial leaders are like? That is so sad as you're living here and the guys is like based the other part of the world. You trust the word of someone who is not even living here more than your own experience here?
No wonder Singaporeans has this FT are more superior mentality. You dun even trust yourself.
So unlucky of you to meet the inferior complex ones then. Singaporeans in general do not hold FT in awe.
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Originally posted by Bradan:
You need a foreigner to to tell you how your own polictial leaders are like?
But PAP controls all the mainstream media assets here. All PAP propaganda filth.
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If they are united with one voice, the old man would have been laying in batam now.
They are only united in complaining and being a coward.
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If Singaporeans were really united, an anglo dog like Lee Kuan Yew would never be able to monopolise political power for so long.
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I think some of the people above need to wake up from Lee Kuan Yew's propaganda filth.
“The Taiwanese are ruthless, Hong Kongers are shameless and Singaporeans are ignorant. People who are ignorant are not corrupt and reliable.” (Today, 14 July 2010)
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I refer to:
"Singaporeans are ignorant. People who are ignorant are not corrupt and reliable.”
I beg to differ... personnels from SLA were corrupt and prosecuted huh? -
Lee Kuan Yew has been spinning his filth for far too long already, some of our friends above also fooled by him.
It's high time they all wake up.