Hong Kong sets Minimum Wage - What one Singaporean thinks
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if business doesn't care, sooner or later, worker also dun care. This whole thing works in a cyclical way, if workers are poor, as consumer, they dun spend, business will also slow down, it is a capitalism ecology at works, China is working and doing well, because their people are getting richer and spending power increased, therefore they got a strong domestic market that even attract foreign investors like singapore, The business community do care about the society as it is part of the business.
I think your boss is a nut
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Originally posted by charlize:
Wth has a minimum wage got to do with "safer"?
cheaper better faster and safer, this was what i saw in construction site and shipyards gates whenever i passed by, if you want to refer to minimum wage, it should be a cheaper mini wage, better for all, faster to give out and safer with regard to long term business forecast, you dun have to increase people wages as long as you are inline with the mini wage set, that what happen to those other countries' worker who went on strike and protest, cos companies did not increase their pays for a few years just to attain the cheaper, better and faster way of doing business within the safe mini wage guideline -
Originally posted by angel7030:
if business doesn't care, sooner or later, worker also dun care. This whole thing works in a cyclical way, if workers are poor, as consumer, they dun spend, business will also slow down, it is a capitalism ecology at works, China is working and doing well, because their people are getting richer and spending power increased, therefore they got a strong domestic market that even attract foreign investors like singapore, The business community do care about the society as it is part of the business.
I think your boss is a nut
How I wish you can tell my manager that.He dont care how we are at present.
He only care for the company expenses, less cost, cheap workers. anything else, business doesnt care. Afterall he only a dept manager. Not CEO or COO. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
cheaper better faster and safer, this was what i saw in construction site and shipyards gates whenever i passed by, if you want to refer to minimum wage, it should be a cheaper mini wage, better for all, faster to give out and safer with regard to long term business forecast, you dun have to increase people wages as long as you are inline with the mini wage set, that what happen to those other countries' worker who went on strike and protest, cos companies did not increase their pays for a few years just to attain the cheaper, better and faster way of doing business within the safe mini wage guideline
If one day, where spore come to a point where cost of living is simply too high to bear and salary is too little, we are done! Everybody will queue up for govt fund and rebates. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
How I wish you can tell my manager that.He dont care how we are at present.
He only care for the company expenses, less cost, cheap workers. anything else, business doesnt care. Afterall he only a dept manager. Not CEO or COO.
aiyo, you think he care for the company meh, he can for himself only, his backside and his job, this are self interest people who lack ethical management, just a line manager working at a micro level, talk so much for what...still a labour -
Originally posted by angel7030:
aiyo, you think he care for the company meh, he can for himself only, his backside and his job, this are self interest people who lack ethical management, just a line manager working at a micro level, talk so much for what...still a labourI love what you said, make me feel siok and make me happy to hear what you said.
Truely, I am really sadden by my manager act and speech. Selfish and low eq. Only know how to cut cut cut cut cut cheap cheap cheaper cheapest...and you know what, my other section manager spend spend spend and spend!!!!
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darn, in corporate world, there are lots of unnecessary peoples and yet get higher paid, some even end up with inverted funnel system, the overhead more than the real productive peoples. For me, I mend the finanical, HR, purchasing, managing, logistic, recruiting, sales and marketing and front line servicing all by myself, why need all this stupid line managers for what, imagine every dept pay a manager 5 thousands, how much you lost in wages for nothing and yet get more human politic problem. For me, i just take all these money and paid to workers and staffs as bonus better lor, that is what call cheaper, better and faster. Cheaper in running business, better in bonus and benefit for my workers and faster in making decision within a thin hierrachy of reporting.
You want something, hv to go thru supervisor, then manager then GM, then HR, then head of HR...then by the time not approve, waste so much time, like me, workers request, on the spot yes or no and give reason, settle and life goes on
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Originally posted by likeyou:
But will employers so kind to guage a salary that be able to sustain the household expenses? I dont think so. As what my employer told us : BUSINESS DOESNT CARE.Your previous post has got quite a number of interpretation to it. So I'm not quite sure what you're trying to bring across.
From the reply that you gave after I quote you, I suspect that you're trying to ask for a salary that is proportional to household income? ( I suspect only)
This is not feasible at all. By doing so, a whole set of problems comes out. Salary would not be peg to the skills of the worker, but rather, to the size of their family. If so, an unproductive person with a big family could be bringing home more money compared to someone who's very hardworking and working their ass off, with only 3 mouths to feed at home.
A good way to increase our fertility rate, but this is definitely a no-no. I believe you would know better what are the reasons for this suggestion to be deem as impossible.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
I love what you said, make me feel siok and make me happy to hear what you said.
Truely, I am really sadden by my manager act and speech. Selfish and low eq. Only know how to cut cut cut cut cut cheap cheap cheaper cheapest...and you know what, my other section manager spend spend spend and spend!!!!
Maybe he got some incentive if his department cost is kept low?
My previous company if budget is low, the budget would be better allocated to treat the managers for a staff retreat overseas. . .
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Originally posted by Phantomnite:
Your previous post has got quite a number of interpretation to it. So I'm not quite sure what you're trying to bring across.
From the reply that you gave after I quote you, I suspect that you're trying to ask for a salary that is proportional to household income? ( I suspect only)
This is not feasible at all. By doing so, a whole set of problems comes out. Salary would not be peg to the skills of the worker, but rather, to the size of their family. If so, an unproductive person with a big family could be bringing home more money compared to someone who's very hardworking and working their ass off, with only 3 mouths to feed at home.
A good way to increase our fertility rate, but this is definitely a no-no. I believe you would know better what are the reasons for this suggestion to be deem as impossible.
No lah, just to pen doen my thoughts...nothing else...Thanks. :) -
Every now and then, you see those workers in countries with mini wage system will go onto the street to protest and strike, why? Just to increase the mini wage, cos if mini wage dun increase, their paid will most likey would not go up. I say, let our wages be flexible and everyyear can enjoy wages increases in line with performance and economic indicators, that will be more justifiable and fair
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Every now and then, you see those workers in countries with mini wage system will go onto the street to protest and strike, why? Just to increase the mini wage, cos if mini wage dun increase, their paid will most likey would not go up. I say, let our wages be flexible and everyyear can enjoy wages increases in line with performance and economic indicators, that will be more justifiable and fair
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Originally posted by likeyou:
..subjected to each employers preferences?
Precisely, employers like me are not stupid people who just paid my employees low wages and never want to increase them, if I did that, i would had lost lots of employees and especially those good ones. Today, the labour market is tight, and it is an employees' market, that is why, you can hear MBD employees making noises and many other firm headhunting competitor employees with much higher paid, let the labour wage market adjust itself, if you set a mini wage, which is more toward those 3rd world countries, we would lose a labour wage competitiveness. -
bosses only wants to make millions out of 1cent they invested, in any business. they know it seems impossible but they won;t care. so what if workers demand more of minimum wage. you boss you tok you got. i employee i of course cannot tok me good meh? marry me then you know i give you no nite no day serve me 24/7
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marry you? I rather be a nun than to marry you.
Bosses will rather earn alot and then show their philanthropistics side by giving back to the society in form of charity so that their name will be in the front page of every news and they will be well honoured
By giving to his/her employees more wages or whatsoever better benefits have totally no value in it, and infact it is a lost to them, both in term of $$ and publicity.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Precisely, employers like me are not stupid people who just paid my employees low wages and never want to increase them, if I did that, i would had lost lots of employees and especially those good ones. Today, the labour market is tight, and it is an employees' market, that is why, you can hear MBD employees making noises and many other firm headhunting competitor employees with much higher paid, let the labour wage market adjust itself, if you set a mini wage, which is more toward those 3rd world countries, we would lose a labour wage competitiveness.
You know what my manager say? (about your snd sentence), many pple are queuing up, I can even ask a taxi driver to do your jobs. And can employ a indonesia worker to work, save thousands of dollars. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
marry you? I rather be a nun than to marry you.
Bosses will rather earn alot and then show their philanthropistics side by giving back to the society in form of charity so that their name will be in the front page of every news and they will be well honoured
By giving to his/her employees more wages or whatsoever better benefits have totally no value in it, and infact it is a lost to them, both in term of $$ and publicity.
Yes a 'show pple' philanthropists....truely agreed.My manager is like this.
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to me, your manager is a very smart person, he can survive in singapore well.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
marry you? I rather be a nun than to marry you.
Bosses will rather earn alot and then show their philanthropistics side by giving back to the society in form of charity so that their name will be in the front page of every news and they will be well honoured
By giving to his/her employees more wages or whatsoever better benefits have totally no value in it, and infact it is a lost to them, both in term of $$ and publicity.
monks are greedy and horny also. recently one that one do lots of charity then get sued. now release he relieved.those bosses need money to buy fame and attention. pathetic ones. i rather give some money t my employees those that perfrom ones soaas to inspire the others to work or jealousy so that thy==ey can gang up an overthrow the other good employees. as long s my sudbordinates in chaso i can sit comfy in my chair. as a result the company losses money and many buisness moved overseas.
dopn;t bull here lah marry me and be a woman you suppose to be
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
1) If Michael Chan does his job and maximises profits by squeezing wages then the government should step in with policies to protect the welfare of the people.2) It wasn't a survey it was a blog from an unknown Singaporean... lets try another blog this time from a known Singaporean Tan Kin Lian.
http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/07/minimum-wage.html
Tan Kin Lian was the ex Chief Executive for NTUC.
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Tuesday, May 25, 2010
Minimum wage
The government leaders have been telling the people that a minimum wage will cause the jobs to be lost. This is only partly true; largely, it is false.
A minimum wage is necessary to ensure that the worker earns enough to pay for the cost of living by doing a full day's work. If the wage is below the minimum, the worker has to work longer hours. This will cause other people to be unemployed. For a stable society, we need to have most people, who are able and willing to work, to be able to find a job and earn enough enough to raise a family and be a contributing member of society.
A decent wage, as opposed to a sub-minimum wage, does not cause the loss of jobs. Wages are only one component of the total cost of production. The other components are cost of property (i.e. rental), government taxes and shareholder profits. If wages are too low, more of the cost goes towards rental and profits. The imbalance, between wages and rental, is one factor leading to the high property prices in Singapore.
Many of the jobs in a country are in the service sector. They are part of the domestic economy. They have to be done in the country and cannot be lost. Examples are education, health, transport and personal services. A minimum wage to these sectors affect all businesse and will be added to the cost of providing the service. It can be kept low, if the other components, such as rental, taxes and profits, are kept at the fair market levels - and are not inflated due to the failure of the market, e.g. if there is a near monopoly.
Many global businesses come to Singapore to enjoy the low wages contributed by foreign workers who work in Singapore. The social cost of these foreign workers have not been properly factored - i.e. the overcrowding and the strain on the public services (i.e education, health and transport). If these are properly accounted, the strategy of low wages, i.e. no minimum wage, in creating jobs in Singapore is not compelling.
I believe that it is time for a minimum wage to be introduced in Singapore and for the market in labour to find its new level. I believe that we are among the few developed economies that do not have a minimum wage.
Tan Kin Lian3) The statistics from the New Paper are taken at face value. I believe it is a common conspiracy theory that the media is sterilised by the government. I don't think I was being bias. You however are being defensive by suggesting that the data from the local paper is wrong. Like I said take it at face value. I believe we both have not the time to do bo liao things such as applying for said jobs just to prove a point in this forum.4) Offer declined. As I stand I'll take the data from the New Paper at face value. You may however volunteer your services
Kind RegardsGenie
1) I don't know who is Michael Chan, but people should be well-educated enough not to be exploited by their employers. On the other hand, you can keep hoping that the Government will step in with policies to help PEOPLE who are probably afraid, lazy, waiting to for help with their own situations?2) Tan Kin Lian's main point is already nakedly displayed on his second paragraph "A minimum wage is necessary to ensure that the worker earns enough to pay for the cost of living by doing a full day's work." Cost of living for a day or for a month, which one do you think his minimum wage dream is going to fulfill? How much is the daily cost of living for an average Singaporean? Who doesn't earned more than enough to upkeep their daily cost of living after a full day of work. So Tan Kin Lian's idea of keeping all of your salaries in line with the minimum wage is your supported vision?
To add on to this, it really doesn't matter what status you are holding in your past society or present society, unless you're trying to prove to me that opinions from an ex-chief executive carries more weight compared to anyone of the forumers in here, then I will still tell you that this kind of status-conscious mindset is terribly outdated and I don't blame you if you have been having this mindset for years.
3) The news media are bias, you cannot see them being bias because they have provided you with the information which can support your personal opinions. Don't you know anyone who had worked in one of those "lowest paid" jobs which you have mentioned? If you don't, then is this another one of your thin-air imaginations or bias observations?
4) Not necessary for me to reply since you don't know anyone who had worked one of those "lowest paid" jobs which you have mentioned and supported in your baseless argument.
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Originally posted by Aceone10:
haha is easy, just pay $60 at GL 69 and she will be yours for the next hr and suck you dry. lol
Beware of her stingy mouth!!
How can you say something like that about your Mother?Poor marketing strategy by the way.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Can explain why MM earns $3 million annually even though he has doesn't really have any official duties?
He advised and give advices to the government?What do you think MM can do with that kind of salary? I believed a normal Singaporean uncle can spent the money better than MM anyway.
Singaporean uncle can walk into a Shanghai club with $3 million and buy many love for himself, MM can NEVER do that in his lifetime.
So I think in terms of personal freedom and enjoyment, an average Singaporean can definitely buy plenty as compared to our country-serving ministers and MM.
They governed the country so that people can go to Shanghai club and buy love and pleasures.
I think that's serving the people, at least the people don't need to worry about the real existing and potential problems about their country when they are making love at night.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
to me, your manager is a very smart person, he can survive in singapore well.
He can survive but will have many enemies in his life. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
He can survive but will have many enemies in his life.hello, how u doing
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Originally posted by JerryJan:
hello, do u wan my msn
Hi Jerry, was's up? Sorry if I have missed out anything....:(