Hong Kong sets Minimum Wage - What one Singaporean thinks
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Why are you so interested in me and keep asking me so much questions?? I still wont call No. 69.
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Originally posted by Aceone10:
Why are you so interested in me and keep asking me so much questions?? I still wont call No. 69.
You want to call your Mum at No. 69?
It's ok, you can cry to your Mommy. I don't mind.
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yawn... didnt know all this while I am dealing with a stupid kid. yawn... which special school u attending huh?? lol... cow head dont match horse mouth..
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Hehehehe....I can see that someone is begging for ceasefire now.
Nice try, but it's pathetic.
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Things you can see and understand is really amazing!!! LOL.. I really start to wonder you even have a brain at all?? Or you got the million dollars brain??? The one that is clean with lots of memory space left cos nvr used?? lol
You really entertaining!! Keep coming biatch...
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Originally posted by parn:
1) Sadly, you are only looking from the perspective of an employee.And I must say these opinions of yours aren't exactly wrong if you are only looking from the perspective of an employee.
2) Do you believe me if I were to crush your employee's dream by telling you that employers do not think or react to minimum wages from an employee's perspective?
Fags and laughable aside, you can only voice your opinions like that because 3) you only see yourself as the bigger picture in this topic.
You can only understand the perspective of an employer only if you are one or know one yourself.
1 )The minimum wage legislation saw huge opposition from big businesses who threatened to layoff workers but the fact is only their profits will be hurt. The minimum wage set at S$5.84 per hour is not high but the victory shows that it is possible in Hong Kong to win against the big businesses there to bring about greater social equity - something we cannot see in SingaporeI lifted it off the article itself.
2) Do you believe me if I were to say its the role of the government and the unions to set policies to help Singaporeans make a living?
3) Here's the big picture.
"Michael Chan, chairman of fast-food giant Cafe de Coral - who was ranked by Forbes magazine as the 35th richest man in Hong Kong in 2009 - has said his company might issue a profit warning if the hourly rate proposed by the unions became law. "
All Mr Chan cares about is that he is answerable to the board and his shareholders.
Now what about these guys... again lifted from the article.
Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*
1. Office cleaner $600 (My Secondary School Pocket $ also more than him)
2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New PaperSo tell me.... Is Michael Chan exploiting cheap labour (Costs) to attain higher profits.... so that his board and shareholders is happy and gives him a big fat bonus so he can climb higher in Forbes magazine?
Kind RegardsGenie
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Genie,
Dont waste your time in replying to that Biatch!!! This biatch is here to shoot and whore around only. Not here to exchange opinion like every others.
See the Biatch pass way of replying you will know.
This Biatch credibility is negative zero so unless you like me wanna have some fun with this toy. lol
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How you expect to receive higher wages when your labour supply keeps expanding?
Maybe we can increase the Minister's pay by another 100%, so that they can come up with better solutions.
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
How you expect to receive higher wages when your labour supply keeps expanding?
Maybe we can increase the Minister's pay by another 100%, so that they can come up with better solutions.
At the same time, the average wage can increase too!
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Originally posted by eagle:
At the same time, the average wage can increase too!
.........Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
1 )The minimum wage legislation saw huge opposition from big businesses who threatened to layoff workers but the fact is only their profits will be hurt. The minimum wage set at S$5.84 per hour is not high but the victory shows that it is possible in Hong Kong to win against the big businesses there to bring about greater social equity - something we cannot see in SingaporeI lifted it off the article itself.
2) Do you believe me if I were to say its the role of the government and the unions to set policies to help Singaporeans make a living?
3) Here's the big picture.
"Michael Chan, chairman of fast-food giant Cafe de Coral - who was ranked by Forbes magazine as the 35th richest man in Hong Kong in 2009 - has said his company might issue a profit warning if the hourly rate proposed by the unions became law. "
All Mr Chan cares about is that he is answerable to the board and his shareholders.
Now what about these guys... again lifted from the article.
Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*
1. Office cleaner $600 (My Secondary School Pocket $ also more than him)
2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New PaperSo tell me.... Is Michael Chan exploiting cheap labour (Costs) to attain higher profits.... so that his board and shareholders is happy and gives him a big fat bonus so he can climb higher in Forbes magazine?
Kind RegardsGenie
how much do flyer distributer gets? If they are paid the minimum wage, say $5.84, will they lose their job? or they will get higher pay? -
Originally posted by Genie99a:
1 )The minimum wage legislation saw huge opposition from big businesses who threatened to layoff workers but the fact is only their profits will be hurt. The minimum wage set at S$5.84 per hour is not high but the victory shows that it is possible in Hong Kong to win against the big businesses there to bring about greater social equity - something we cannot see in SingaporeI lifted it off the article itself.
2) Do you believe me if I were to say its the role of the government and the unions to set policies to help Singaporeans make a living?
3) Here's the big picture.
"Michael Chan, chairman of fast-food giant Cafe de Coral - who was ranked by Forbes magazine as the 35th richest man in Hong Kong in 2009 - has said his company might issue a profit warning if the hourly rate proposed by the unions became law. "
All Mr Chan cares about is that he is answerable to the board and his shareholders.
Now what about these guys... again lifted from the article.
Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*
1. Office cleaner $600 (My Secondary School Pocket $ also more than him)
2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New PaperSo tell me.... Is Michael Chan exploiting cheap labour (Costs) to attain higher profits.... so that his board and shareholders is happy and gives him a big fat bonus so he can climb higher in Forbes magazine?
Kind RegardsGenie
Did you take into the consideration of sg employer's CPF contribution and other allowances factoring into the pay structure, you need to get a total wage bill. Hongkees enivironement and conditions is different from singapore, we can compare with them, and with what you said a min of $5.84, that is pathetic consider the cost of commodites, foods and housing are more expensive than Singapore. -
Originally posted by skythewood:
how much do flyer distributer gets? If they are paid the minimum wage, say $5.84, will they lose their job? or they will get higher pay?
What if they lose their job as flyer distributors? Can't they get another job say as a waiter? And if they get higher pay more power to them if they are a full time flyer distributor.Flyer distribution in general is a cheap form of marketing that has a very low success rate fyi. The reason why it might be viable is because labour is cheap enough to sustain it or it could be an odd job for students.
Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Did you take into the consideration of sg employer's CPF contribution and other allowances factoring into the pay structure, you need to get a total wage bill. Hongkees enivironement and conditions is different from singapore, we can compare with them, and with what you said a min of $5.84, that is pathetic consider the cost of commodites, foods and housing are more expensive than Singapore.
Are you being off topic?I am asking your opinion towards Singapore implementing a minimum wage policy to safeguard the wellbeing of the lowly paid.
There is no need to be defensive and compare both countries as there are valid pros and cons across both countries.
Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Did you take into the consideration of sg employer's CPF contribution and other allowances factoring into the pay structure, you need to get a total wage bill. Hongkees enivironement and conditions is different from singapore, we can compare with them, and with what you said a min of $5.84, that is pathetic consider the cost of commodites, foods and housing are more expensive than Singapore.
Sidetracking abit, food and commodities are cheap in both countries, only difference is housing whereby Hong Kong would be generally more expensive (What my parents say never bothered to visit Honk Kong) but i do believe that in terms of the cost of living for the poorer population it is only slightly higher than Singapore. HK $ typically divide by 5. So $1,500,000 HKD should be $310,000++ SGD The prices listed below were 2007. I however do think the builtin would be smaller.Table 1 Sale Prices of unsold flats in Kingsford Terrace and Ka Keng Court.
Project / Court
Number of Flats
Average Selling Price
at 30% Discount
$m2/ SA($ft2 / GFA)
Range of
Selling Prices
($ / flat)Kingsford Terrace Stage II, Wong Tai Sin
810
$32,200
($2,550)
$994,800
to
$1,985,600Ka Keng Court,
Sha Tin275
$26,950
($1,930)
$1,326,000
to
$1,769,000
Table 2
Sale Prices of Returned Flats in Courts/Projects offering larger numbers of flatsProject/Courts
Number of Flats
Average Selling Price
at 30% Discount
$m2/ SA($ft2 / GFA)
Range of
Selling Prices
($ / flat)Aldrich Garden, Hong Kong Eas
146
$34,740
($2,740)
$1,108,100
to
$2,199,900Tung Yuk Court, Hong Kong East
140
$36,400
($2,650)
$1,765,600
to
$2,472,900Hong Yat Court,
Kwun Tong273
$29,550
($2,110)
$1,167,000
to
$2,004,100Yu Chui Court,
Sha Tin406
$28,100
($1,920)
$1,086,300
to
$1,905,100Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
Are you being off topic?I am asking your opinion towards Singapore implementing a minimum wage policy to safeguard the wellbeing of the lowly paid.
There is no need to be defensive and compare both countries as there are valid pros and cons across both countries.
Kind Regards
Genie
what is there to defend for?? a million dollars or a handsome hunk.
So, in the first place, there is no need to mention of HK or any other countries if you want talk about minimium wages.
My opinon? I will be honoured, as a country that emphaize on free market, you want to control wages by setting wage limitation?? than you are not a free market that allow equal opportunity and equal condition. The setting of minium wages hit both disadvantages in term of singapore economy, you set too high or as mini wage become high and economy goes into an recession, you are dead, if you set too low, and when the economy and inflation is increasing, you will have more poor peoples which is detrimental to the country. So let wages be flexible as the Market condition, every year, the govt, labour and employers will sit together to determine and recommend the percentage of wage increases after studying the figure and statistic in the economy such as inflation and disparity datas, they formed a council called NWC, chaired by some neutral professor from University. Read those recommendation guidelines and move your fellow workers or staff pay structure within the guideline provided free, you will not loose out, so are yr workers and staff, this had been going on for many years, a free wage consultant agency, the NWC had served our nation well, so why need a minimum wage??
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Originally posted by angel7030:
what is there to defend for?? a million dollars or a handsome hunk. SMLJ?
1) So, in the first place, there is no need to mention of HK or any other countries if you want talk about minimium wages.
My opinon? I will be honoured, as a country that emphaize on free market, you want to control wages by setting wage limitation?? 2)than you are not a free market that allow equal opportunity and equal condition. The setting of minium wages hit both disadvantages in term of singapore economy, you set too high or as mini wage become high and economy goes into an recession, you are dead, if you set too low, and when the economy and inflation is increasing, you will have more poor peoples which is detrimental to the country. So let wages be flexible as the Market condition, every year, the govt, labour and employers will sit together to determine and recommend the percentage of wage increases after studying the figure and statistic in the economy such as inflation and disparity datas, they formed a council called NWC, chaired by some neutral professor from University. Read those recommendation guidelines and move your fellow workers or staff pay structure within the guideline provided free, you will not loose out, so are yr workers and staff, this had been going on for many years, a free wage consultant agency, the NWC had served our nation well, so 3) why need a minimum wage??
1) If Hong Kong which is in alot of ways similar to Singapore can implement it to safeguard their poor why can't Singapore?
2) If a meaningful minimum wage is set, the economy which is dependent on low wages (Cheaper, Better, Faster) will be affected. Countries that have a 1st world wage structure have no problems implementing minimum wages and in fact, they all have it to raise the living standards of a small segment of the population at the margin. (Cut and paste.....again)
Think out of the box abit lor..... must be 100% free market? Cannot have a balance? Besides the minimum wage would only affect a small segment of Singapore unless you're saying Singapore has alot of poor people.....which means the system has failed more.
3) Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*
1. Office cleaner $600 (My Secondary School Pocket $ also more than him)
2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New Paper(Cut and paste.............................................................again)
Kind Regrds
Genie
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
What if they lose their job as flyer distributors? Can't they get another job say as a waiter? And if they get higher pay more power to them if they are a full time flyer distributor.Flyer distribution in general is a cheap form of marketing that has a very low success rate fyi. The reason why it might be viable is because labour is cheap enough to sustain it or it could be an odd job for students.
Kind Regards
Genie
You totally miss the point.... generally, what this highlights is... people who do jobs that are below $5.84 standard... will still get paid $5.84 under minimum wage law... and employer will simply kill the job since it is not value for money, creating unemployment. From making small money to making no money. Telling me that flyer has low success rate and they should go be a waiter is totally out of point... Might as well tell the ah ma collecting cardboard to go be waiter too.... -
Originally posted by skythewood:
You totally miss the point.... generally, what this highlights is... people who do jobs that are below $5.84 standard... will still get paid $5.84 under minimum wage law... and employer will simply kill the job since it is not value for money, creating unemployment. From making small money to making no money. Telling me that flyer has low success rate and they should go be a waiter is totally out of point... Might as well tell the ah ma collecting cardboard to go be waiter too....So you're saying that we should keep the jobs that are not sustainable just because they still get some money?
If the Ah Ma collecting cardboard for peanuts would be out of job just because of a measly minimum wage than really Singapore should not be bragging about low unemployemnt shouldn't it?
Whats the point of even having full employment when a segment of it is finding it hard to make ends meet.
Hope I understood correct this time.
Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
1) If Hong Kong which is in alot of ways similar to Singapore can implement it to safeguard their poor why can't Singapore?
2) If a meaningful minimum wage is set, the economy which is dependent on low wages (Cheaper, Better, Faster) will be affected. Countries that have a 1st world wage structure have no problems implementing minimum wages and in fact, they all have it to raise the living standards of a small segment of the population at the margin. (Cut and paste.....again)
Think out of the box abit lor..... must be 100% free market? Cannot have a balance? Besides the minimum wage would only affect a small segment of Singapore unless you're saying Singapore has alot of poor people.....which means the system has failed more.
3) Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*
1. Office cleaner $600 (My Secondary School Pocket $ also more than him)
2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New Paper(Cut and paste.............................................................again)
Kind Regrds
Genie
again u want to talk about HKees, you see beggars in HK or not, you see their living conditon or not, in comparing, their health adminstration and crime rates, did you notice most of those Sar, bird flu come from that country and there are lots of gangsterism due to poor education system and careless for the poor. Without the financial hub, tourism and film industry that the british created, HK is nothing.
What safeguard are you talking about when there is already a guard, there will be poor in every country, except that some poor are richer than the other poor, and singapore poor are without doubt, richer and living much better than poors of most countries, our poor still can go tour by air, electricity and water supply, have a roof on top, jobs and surf internet. That is luxury to poors of other countries. And becos these countries do not bother or care about poor, the society tends to be more chaotic and more dissatisfaction and high crime rates, now why in singapore, for so long, have no protest, riot or strike??? aren't we human too??
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and there is this uncles about 49 yo came and ask for job as a general helper in my family catering business, saying that he is poor and cannot find a job, we employed him under re-employment of older worker contract. He told us he got a old mother, 3 kids and a housewife to take care for..just got retrenched in some logistic company, so we offered him the job at $1200 with all the benefits. As he walk out of my brother office, held up his iphone, and a minute later, a young beautiful prc gal came over, hold his hand and together walk down the street to hail for a taxi. You call that poor?? or you call that making yourself poor??
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Originally posted by angel7030:
again u want to talk about HKees, you see beggars in HK or not, you see their living conditon or not, in comparing, their health adminstration and crime rates, did you notice most of those Sar, bird flu come from that country and there are lots of gangsterism due to poor education system and careless for the poor. Without the financial hub, tourism and film industry that the british created, HK is nothing.
What safeguard are you talking about when there is already a guard, there will be poor in every country, except that some poor are richer than the other poor, and singapore poor are without doubt, richer and living much better than poors of most countries, our poor still can go tour by air, electricity and water supply, have a roof on top, jobs and surf internet. That is luxury to poors of other countries. And becos these countries do not bother or care about poor, the society tends to be more chaotic and more dissatisfaction and high crime rates, now why in singapore, for so long, have no protest, riot or strike??? aren't we human too??
Sooo....... you're saying that because HK has the sars and it has high crime, alot of poor people therefore we should not follow their policy of having a minimum wage to help the poor becoz its HK and its flawed?..... I see....
Kind Regards
Genie
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Originally posted by angel7030:
and there is this uncles about 49 yo came and ask for job as a general helper in my family catering business, saying that he is poor and cannot find a job, we employed him under re-employment of older worker contract. He told us he got a old mother, 3 kids and a housewife to take care for..just got retrenched in some logistic company, so we offered him the job at $1200 with all the benefits. As he walk out of my brother office, held up his iphone, and a minute later, a young beautiful prc gal came over, hold his hand and together walk down the street to hail for a taxi. You call that poor?? or you call that making yourself poor??
Sooo.... you're saying that because a 49 yr old uncle came to you looking for a job and you paid him $1200 a month and he can afford beautiful prc girl and iphone therefore you felt cheated and thought you could have offered less so that he cannot have a beautiful prc girl and iphone and the wage will be justified? I see.........
Kind Regards
Genie
I see.......
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
Sooo.... you're saying that because a 49 yr old uncle came to you looking for a job and you paid him $1200 a month and he can afford beautiful prc girl and iphone therefore you felt cheated and thought you could have offered less so that he cannot have a beautiful prc girl and iphone and the wage will be justified? I see.........
Kind Regards
Genie
I see.......
certainly i am not jealous, why should i be, a free market allow a free socialism.
what i am try to say here is that alots of people in singapore are not poor, maybe average, but certainly not poor, however, a lots of them make themselves poor by engaging thing that is beyong their mean, some like to gamble, some like to flirt around and drink,,...so end up, you tell the govt or the society that you are poor, need help and look/act pitiful. The most fundamental issue here is not about minimum wages, but rather on financial awareness or financial planing, social well being and certainly good discipline.
With OT this Uncle can take home $1.8k to 2k net, he have to spend it on his beautiful and young PRC gal, his house, his childrens and his family, so end up he is poor. And that is why i mentioned that most peoples in Singapore make themselve poor thru unethical behavior. Most are matured adult, not kids, you tell them too much, they also said you kaypoh, it is alright to have mistress, drinks, spending lavishly as you like, but ending up saying you are poor, that is too much, these peoples need to do some soul searching.
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I have read some post at the Taxi forum, and my understanding is that there are job opportunity there, people have to strife for a living, you cannot expect spoonfeeding, u can drive taxi with a $100+ income per day, just go take a license, work honestly and work hard on it, everything have it first time, hard time and difficult time, but once this is past, you are a professional of your own careers, it does not mean that being a U or diploma or any other teritiary education make you a professional, my taking is everyone working on his/her work is the best profession of his/her own work.
We can provide you the fishing rod and worm, but you have to do the fishing