More lies from Lee Kuan Yew?What really happened in KL 1965?
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What really happened in KL 45 years ago?
Now that the festivities for the National Day is over, it may be an appropriate time to re-visit, in a more sober manner, the matter of how Singapore gained its independence four-and-a-half decades ago.
Singaporeans, young and old, have been told that it was Malaysia who had kicked us out of the federation in 1965 after the late Tunku Abdul Rahman, then prime minister of Malaysia, felt it was no longer viable – even dangerous – for Singapore to remain as part of the country.
A young and teary eyed Lee Kuan Yew who was then prime minister of Singapore (his title itself seemed out of place as it was difficult to see how one country could have two prime ministers) mourned the expulsion: "For me it is a moment of anguish. All my life... my whole adult life...I have believed in merger..."
There have been some revelations since that fateful day that raise questions about some long-held notions about the split.
Author T J S George, for example, recounted in his book Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore published in 1974 that the Tunku was more surprised than he was moved when he saw Mr Lee in tears over the break-up. The Tungku said: "I don't know why Mr Lee acted like that...he was quite pleased about [the split]."
Mr George added that Mr Lee had gone to Kuala Lumpur himself to see the Malaysian prime minister about Singapore's stormy relations with its neighbour. A day later, he called some of his cabinet colleagues (the late) S Rajaratnam, then Minister for Culture, and Dr Toh Chin Chye, former deputy prime minister and the founding chairman of the PAP.
Mr Lee had called for them to meet him in Kuala Lumpur. The author writes that Mr Lee arranged it so that his two ministers did not travel together. The question is why. Unless Mr Lee did not want them to anticipate the development and to discuss the matter?
Whatever it was, Dr Toh was, just like the Tungku, befuddled when he saw Mr Lee's anguished TV reaction to the split: "I don't know why he was crying."
Dr Toh, other than Mr Lee, is the sole survivor of the meeting in Kuala Lumpur. He is privy to all the goings-on when the decision was made for Singapore and Malaysia to go separate ways. If anyone knows what's going on, it is him.
But the former deputy prime minister isn't talking and will probably carry the secret to his grave. Dr Toh had a falling out with Mr Lee Kuan Yew in the 1980s and was relegated to to the backbench. In fact Dr Toh had subsequently thrown his support behind Mr Francis Seow when the former solicitor-general contested as an opposition candidate in the 1988 elections.
More recently, The Online Citizen reported that Mr Lee had warned the press not to print pictures of him smilingwhen he made the announcement of the separation.
That's an odd threat. Why would Mr Lee be afraid of being photographed smiling if he was sorrowful?
Most recently at Dr Goh Keng Swee's funeral, the Minister Mentor revealed that it was Goh who had carried out negotiations with Malaysia and that it was Goh who had made the decision to take Singapore out of the federation.
But Goh was not the prime minister. How is it that he became the one to conduct the negotations leading to the separation? A journalist asked why Mr Lee revealed this piece of information only when Goh was dead (see here).
Clearly the story that Malaysia kicked Singapore out of the union and the role Mr Lee played in it is a lot more complex than what we have been told thus far. Questions abound but, unfortunately, answers are not forthcoming.http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/4016-what-really-happened-in-kl-45-years-ago
Do not print pictures of me smiling – Lee Kuan Yew 1965
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/07/do-not-print-pictures-of-me-smiling-lee-kuan-yew/
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Somehow it seems like anything regarding Singapore politics to come out of Lee Kuan Yew's mouth is a lie.
Everything is a fraud with him.
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Politics isn't Religion, and you are just barking up the wrong tree.
You want the Truth, you read the bible.
Anything else, you need to discover it for yourself.
Life is more fun this way.
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Don't know how to wayang, don't get into pollitics.
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Wayang to get support to pass the bill/legislation is politics. Telling lies and hiding truth from the common fork on the road is lier. If you consider it politically motivated, then it is also a political crime.
The day they fall will be the day they will be investigated and charge. Provided he is still alive.
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Originally posted by parn:
Politics isn't Religion, and you are just barking up the wrong tree.
You want the Truth, you read the bible.
Anything else, you need to discover it for yourself.
Life is more fun this way.
haha, very well said indeed.
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Originally posted by Aceone10:
Wayang to get support to pass the bill/legislation is politics. Telling lies and hiding truth from the common fork on the road is lier. If you consider it politically motivated, then it is also a political crime.
The day they fall will be the day they will be investigated and charge. Provided he is still alive.
So you think who told the truth, LKY and Tungku ?
What really important is that Singapore has since become independent, and there is no second class citizens among us, and we have prospered.....
You want to go back 45 years and find the truth? you will have to dig many other graves, whether he is alive or not doesn't matter.
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actually, i look at these things, i am reminded of the late JBJ.. who had no policies, no plans, no nothing.. the latter part of his political career was driven by a hatred of Lau Lee..
as much as Lau Lee can be detested, there must be more than just trying to destroy an old, weak, shaky, dried up husk of a man who looks more like a bleached zombie of Ah Meng than anything now...
give us some alternatives, some plans, some policies.. something acceptable to the people other than the current attention-whoring antics of some lowlife backstabber, and some other liar who is never in Singapore... and others...
it tears my heart apart to say tha looking at the idiot politicians running, except for a very very very few, the MIW are the better people at the moment... and calling these self-serving assholes the better people, shows the sad state of affairs of the bigger idiots in the opposition
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what to do, the oppositions dun even have a manifesto to begin with.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
What really happened in KL 45 years ago?
Now that the festivities for the National Day is over, it may be an appropriate time to re-visit, in a more sober manner, the matter of how Singapore gained its independence four-and-a-half decades ago.
Singaporeans, young and old, have been told that it was Malaysia who had kicked us out of the federation in 1965 after the late Tunku Abdul Rahman, then prime minister of Malaysia, felt it was no longer viable – even dangerous – for Singapore to remain as part of the country.
A young and teary eyed Lee Kuan Yew who was then prime minister of Singapore (his title itself seemed out of place as it was difficult to see how one country could have two prime ministers) mourned the expulsion: "For me it is a moment of anguish. All my life... my whole adult life...I have believed in merger..."
There have been some revelations since that fateful day that raise questions about some long-held notions about the split.
Author T J S George, for example, recounted in his book Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore published in 1974 that the Tunku was more surprised than he was moved when he saw Mr Lee in tears over the break-up. The Tungku said: "I don't know why Mr Lee acted like that...he was quite pleased about [the split]."
Mr George added that Mr Lee had gone to Kuala Lumpur himself to see the Malaysian prime minister about Singapore's stormy relations with its neighbour. A day later, he called some of his cabinet colleagues (the late) S Rajaratnam, then Minister for Culture, and Dr Toh Chin Chye, former deputy prime minister and the founding chairman of the PAP.
Mr Lee had called for them to meet him in Kuala Lumpur. The author writes that Mr Lee arranged it so that his two ministers did not travel together. The question is why. Unless Mr Lee did not want them to anticipate the development and to discuss the matter?
Whatever it was, Dr Toh was, just like the Tungku, befuddled when he saw Mr Lee's anguished TV reaction to the split: "I don't know why he was crying."
Dr Toh, other than Mr Lee, is the sole survivor of the meeting in Kuala Lumpur. He is privy to all the goings-on when the decision was made for Singapore and Malaysia to go separate ways. If anyone knows what's going on, it is him.
But the former deputy prime minister isn't talking and will probably carry the secret to his grave. Dr Toh had a falling out with Mr Lee Kuan Yew in the 1980s and was relegated to to the backbench. In fact Dr Toh had subsequently thrown his support behind Mr Francis Seow when the former solicitor-general contested as an opposition candidate in the 1988 elections.
More recently, The Online Citizen reported that Mr Lee had warned the press not to print pictures of him smilingwhen he made the announcement of the separation.
That's an odd threat. Why would Mr Lee be afraid of being photographed smiling if he was sorrowful?
Most recently at Dr Goh Keng Swee's funeral, the Minister Mentor revealed that it was Goh who had carried out negotiations with Malaysia and that it was Goh who had made the decision to take Singapore out of the federation.
But Goh was not the prime minister. How is it that he became the one to conduct the negotations leading to the separation? A journalist asked why Mr Lee revealed this piece of information only when Goh was dead (see here).
Clearly the story that Malaysia kicked Singapore out of the union and the role Mr Lee played in it is a lot more complex than what we have been told thus far. Questions abound but, unfortunately, answers are not forthcoming.http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/4016-what-really-happened-in-kl-45-years-ago
Do not print pictures of me smiling – Lee Kuan Yew 1965
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/07/do-not-print-pictures-of-me-smiling-lee-kuan-yew/
You ask a gal like me in my early 20s and most of the young singaporeans, they dun even want to give a damn what happen 45 years ago, so give us more of what the present and the future hold and stop telling us grandpa stories ya
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Ask the malaysians and they will tell u that LKY used Msia to gain independence. Old man could have play acted for all you know but then again, our population back then was about a million odd? And we had no armed forces, hostile neighbours and we measured 44 by 36 km. I highly doubt that LKY was seriously for seperation.
Having said that, old man is a wily old fox lol.
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some said wolf
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Originally posted by angel7030:
some said wolf
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To sgdiehard,
What is your answer to your question?
You must be still living in the past 45 years to still believed you are first class citizen. So you can hold on to your proud past 45 years and get screwed for the next 45 years. And with you IQ, you dont even know why.
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Originally posted by parn:
You want the Truth, you read the bible.
where on earth did you get that? blind me...
btw, my baptist, protestants and catholic friends all have their own versions of truth.
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Truth does not imply Trust, be smart, people said truth and you believe it truth, then you must be a very easy pawn to prey on.
Terms and conditons apply
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Originally posted by Aceone10:
To sgdiehard,
What is your answer to your question?
You must be still living in the past 45 years to still believed you are first class citizen. So you can hold on to your proud past 45 years and get screwed for the next 45 years. And with you IQ, you dont even know why.
Read my post, it doesn't matter to me who I believe, " Singapore has since become independent....and we have prospered", and I am first class citizen here, because there is no second class.
My first 45 years is not passed yet and I am enjoying myself, I believe my next 35 years will be comfortable with what I am working on NOW. Don't wish to think about living beyond 80, but of course it is not my choice.
If you think you are being "screwed" now, don't blame it on the past. With your IQ, be happy with what you already have.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Read my post, it doesn't matter to me who I believe, " Singapore has since become independent....and we have prospered", and I am first class citizen here, because there is no second class.
My first 45 years is not passed yet and I am enjoying myself, I believe my next 35 years will be comfortable with what I am working on NOW. Don't wish to think about living beyond 80, but of course it is not my choice.
If you think you are being "screwed" now, don't blame it on the past. With your IQ, be happy with what you already have.
gotta give it to you....
1st, you brag about your sex prowess despite being an old hag, and now you are <45yo.
clocks ticking for you man.....tt's 4 sure.
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Originally posted by redDUST:
gotta give it to you....
1st, you brag about your sex prowess despite being an old hag, and now you are <45yo.
clocks ticking for you man.....tt's 4 sure.
hahaha...guess how old I am. Clocks tick for everybody, part of life.
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as it is well established, politics or realpolitiks is a real social game of psychology and changes, and there can only be one winner or first among equals. It doesn't matter what was done, but the how and skills to reach his desired objective(s), even at the expense of kinship.
reminiscent of dynastic china where falling emperors were overthrown with rising emperors...a good story would be Zhao Kuang Yin, Emperor of the Sung Dynasty..and many more.....
and of course..in between the 5000 years was a slutty empress Wu who strangled even her own daughter to move closer to her throne...aren't sluts worse off?
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Originally posted by Fcukpap:
as it is well established, politics or realpolitiks is a real social game of psychology and changes, and there can only be one winner or first among equals. It doesn't matter what was done, but the how and skills to reach his desired objective(s), even at the expense of kinship.
reminiscent of dynastic china where falling emperors were overthrown with rising emperors...a good story would be Zhao Kuang Yin, Emperor of the Sung Dynasty..and many more.....
and of course..in between the 5000 years was a slutty empress Wu who strangled even her own daughter to move closer to her throne...aren't sluts worse off?
Don't believe so much into histories, especially when it was written in a biased society where women aren't well accepted by men.If you really insist on believing in histories, then please agree with your children in the future when they sing praises and honour LKY in their History of Singapore.
Do not believe what you want to believe. Question and Seek out the Truth for yourself.
But should you insist to fuck PAP one day, could you kindly post the clips on YouTube please?
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Well thanks for your confirmation of what my post has mentioned. You are really low in IQ.
Cant blame you for your poor foresight. You are just another blind citizen who probably singing marikita and hanging flag in August.
Dont drive your believed down to my throat and brag just like another "I know it all and better then you" typical Sgrean. How well and far can you see? as much as your window allowed?
Happy for you for your satisfaction, but you dont know me, so stop disgrace yourself by telling me to be satisfied and not to blame the past and blar blar blar.. You're just a little boy to me and what you posted, frankly speaking, are meaningless but a leak of your side of an ugly arrogant sgrean who can swim in a swimming pool and never see the danger of a sea storm.
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Originally posted by Aceone10:
Well thanks for your confirmation of what my post has mentioned. You are really low in IQ.
Cant blame you for your poor foresight. You are just another blind citizen who probably singing marikita and hanging flag in August.
Dont drive your believed down to my throat and brag just like another "I know it all and better then you" typical Sgrean. How well and far can you see? as much as your window allowed?
Happy for you for your satisfaction, but you dont know me, so stop disgrace yourself by telling me to be satisfied and not to blame the past and blar blar blar.. You're just a little boy to me and what you posted, frankly speaking, are meaningless but a leak of your side of an ugly arrogant sgrean who can swim in a swimming pool and never see the danger of a sea storm.
Any citizens who mocked at other citizens singing the national anthem and reciting the national pledge are just traitors or trouble-makers.How much foresight do you have at your disposal? How do you expect to convince or even win over anyone with your dark and grim forecast for the future?
Being a rebellious failure of the society like yourself can only restort to cheap tricks such as scare-campaign and use terrorism to control and waver the average, easily influenced citizens to submit to your rebellious callings.
How much more failures do you need in your life to realise that you should paint a hopeful and brighter future for the citizens if you really want to persuade them to vote against the government who have created, provided, secured the present and future Singapore?
The clear fact is rebels and rebel alike yourself are incapable of doing that. But of course you can only try your best to scare and frighten these people into submission. Do you really imagined the public to be more stupid than you? I am sure and confident that the public is definitely 1000% smarter than idiotic, naive rebels like yourself. Take a good look around you, EVERYONE IS DOING ALOT BETTER THAN YOU IN LIFE.
How do you think you are good enough to persuade them? What makes you think they should listen to your dark and grim foresight? What makes you think people would RISKS their current peace, stability and hopeful society in exchange to your certain future of doom?
You are so retarded to think that people would actually risk their current lifestyle to upset and destroy their own future and the future of their children for your sake.
Just because you're a bitter failure of the society, you want to bring other people down together with you?
By the way, I'm not a boy, I'm a girl that despise, look down upon selfish ungrateful guys like yourself who do not deserved to have a future or even the right to call yourself a Singapore citizen.
How do you feel about being put down like a dog by your fellow Singaporean girl?
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Exactly, hating of a Party does not imply that you hate your country, what is so wrong about singing marikita and hanging flag for our country, some peoples just get head over heels in hating the PAP until they lost their senses in differentiating between PAP and Singapore.
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Originally posted by kengkia:
, u the boy who cried wolf??