Abolish death penalty for drug trafficking
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Originally posted by CrazyMick:
Hello Hello
Rape the drug trafficker? Ala pulp fiction?
I know the pain and the results of illegal drugs.
The penalty is there. I even think it might be inadequate, should add the mothers in even. That is wrong I know.
The relapse rate is disastrous.
Drug addicts are victims of themselves and their environment.
We can help with the environment ----- Save people, Kill them opium plants.
Failing to murder the green green thing. What else is there for us to help our environment?
we have to be hostile to illegal drugs. Death penalty, no matter how abhorrent is iron, platinum and palladium chop and seal.
Do you cry for the drug addicts? Do you cry for their mothers? Do you cry for their wives? Do you cry for their children?
The profits from illegal drugs ----- Were the bullets bought by drug money in the oberoi Trident? I heard some boom boom were financed as such.
Perhaps we ought to think why extreme hostility is required.
It is our human right to be humane. It is our human right to make life easy for ourselves.
Cheers. Live free.
you aint know some people, Men are born with greed, that is nature, people tends to think of the result, get rich, spend sometime in some exotic beaches with beautiful sexy gals or for us gals, some handsome hunks to go along with so much free life fun.
They aint think of life or death sentences, aint they?
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How about men are also born with compassion, love and goodness.
Lets not be too realist. Gotta give some hope to humanity man.
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Humans are born to be evil, humanity arrives only civilisation and proper education set in.
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I thought its nurture ? Not nature?
lol
I thought we are born INTO evil.. not born evil.
But if such is true that we are born to BE evil, the civilisation , education... all these institutions founded upon. must be based upon evil too.
Due to man's inherent self to be evil. How then or what is good if one is evil to begin with ?
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we are initially born like the early men, who haunt, naive and behave like animals, but since civilisation takes over, and we learn to eat in a proper manner, treat each other with respect and care for each other, but in civilisation, some of us become more evil, and these are dangerous, we call it intellectually evil, people knows and planned their evil deeds to destroy one another, you can see it in your everyday life.
If you let a child to roam by him/herself, he/she will get into bad influence easier than doing the good thing, cos human by nature, preferred fun and the easy way out of life, they hate discipline and routine life. But if you care for the child, groom him up with all the good habits and knowledge, he become civilised.
Having said that, there two kind of evil, one are good at heart, but living in a evil condition and thereby leading a evil life, you can see some gangsters are actually good at heart and some really very nasty. I call this the white spot among the black surface, and if you look at another kind of evil which is the most dangerous, these are evil living within the good peoples, I call it the black spot among the white surface. These are cunning people who can kill or eat you even without you knowning.
In taiwan, my buddhist master nun in a nunnery which i attended, tho buddhist by nature, she taught me the logo of taoism. If you look at it, you can see the white and the black spots within the two separate surfaces, and this go round and round, forming the world surrounded by earth, wind, fire, storm, rain, sunny etc etc. I also asked my Master, why there must be evil, can we not have evil, she said, evil is in everyone emotion, it just that the good one knows how to stop it, however, without evil, this world cannot survive, the ying yang rule applied.
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angel7030 thinkin of becoming some kinda BOMOH??
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wtich doctor will be more precise, I was thinking of opening a fortune shop here, but damn, singapore a already got a fortune centre
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
What?South Korea actually castrate rapists?I dont belive that,can anyone verify what he said?
Somebody told me in forums back sometime. I knew there was such a case...and tat guy say is South Korea.
But I remember that is a hardcore rapist.. repeat offender... went around raping loads of women... time in and time out of prison... -
Take example of raping, actually every able men think of having sex with a woman they like, but they dun do it physically, cos if the woman reject, then rape might set in.
In such instances, the education, the brought up, the nurturing by elders are essential to bring a man to control himself and that is call, civilisation.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
What?South Korea actually castrate rapists?I dont belive that,can anyone verify what he said?
To my surprise, not only South Korea does chemical castration, so does US, Denmark, Sweden, UK and Poland.
SKorea votes to legalize chemical castrationAP - <!-- document.write(getLocalTime('Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:42:37 GMT','en-US')); // --> Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:42:37 AM By SANGWON YOON
South Korea's parliament voted Tuesday to legalize chemical castration as punishment for convicted child sex offenders after a series of violent assaults sparked outrage nationwide.The bill was first introduced in 2008 in response to a high-profile case in which a 58-year-old man raped and assaulted an 8-year-old girl. The attack caused widespread revulsion and left the victim with lasting physical injuries.
Government policies, including the installation of more security personnel near school grounds as well as multiple surveillance cameras, have not prevented a series of similar cases.
A 33-year-old man who raped and murdered a 13-year-old girl in February was sentenced to death last week. In another high-profile case, a 45-year-old man allegedly kidnapped a student from her elementary school and raped her in the basement of a church.
South Korean legislators at the National Assembly passed the bill by a vote of 137-13. More than 140 lawmakers either did not make a choice or did not vote. The legislation would take effect a year after being signed into law.
The legislation, which requires the South Korean president's signature to become law, would allow judges to sentence adult sex offenders who victimize minors under 16 and have been diagnosed as sexual deviants to chemical castration.
It was unclear if President Lee Myung-bak would sign it. He is on a visit to Latin America and his office would not comment.
The procedure involves the administration of testosterone-suppressing hormones intended to curb sexual drive. Offenders would also receive behavioral and psychological therapies.
Dr. Howard Zonana, a professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine, said questions remain on such treatment.
"It's hard to say with a degree of exactitude on the effectiveness of chemical castration," Zonana said.
He said that for it to be effective, it must first be determined whether offenders are pedophiliacs, who have a strong attraction to children, or non-sexual deviants possessing other underlying psychiatric disorders that cause them to act violently.
If signed into law, South Korea would become the first country in Asia to legalize chemical castration, according to Yoo Jin-hee, an aide to Park Young-sun, a member of the assembly's Legislation and Judiciary Committee.
In the United States, several states including Louisiana, California, Oregon and Arizona have laws allowing chemical castration. In Europe, countries including Britain, Denmark and Sweden offer chemical castration drugs to sex offenders to control sexual urges on a voluntary basis. Last year, Poland legalized the procedure for offenders who rape minors under age 15 or close relatives. It is administered on court order.
The measure is just one of a long line that South Korea has turned to after a spate of assaults. Parents formed monitoring groups to escort their children to and from schools. The government enforced the wearing of electronic ankle bracelets to monitor the movements of sex offenders and endorsed disclosing their identities to the public. The city council in the southern port city of Busan offered 5,000 whistles to children to blow for help.
Some critics of the procedure have argued that while it may stop sex crimes, it doesn't necessarily prevent other violent crimes. Civil liberties advocates have also called the procedure barbaric, and some papers in South Korea raised ethical concerns. But many supported the move.
"It's meaningless and useless to debate whether chemical castration by nature violates basic human rights," the Hankook Ilbo newspaper wrote in an editorial on its website after the legislation passed, saying that it cannot compare to the suffering of victims.
David Benjamin, a Ph.D who is a clinical pharmacologist and forensic toxicologist at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center in Boston, said hindering physically arousal may not deter mental arousal.
"Arousal is in the brain," he said. "It transfers to a bodily function when you become aroused, but I don't know whether there has been enough scientific research to prove that hindering a bodily function can keep you from being aroused."
http://www.mail.com/intl/article.aspx/science/0/apnews/science/20100629/u_as-skorea-chemical-castration?pageid=2&pCurr=1&pNext=2 -
Originally posted by Junyang700:
To my surprise, not only South Korea does chemical castration, so does US, Denmark, Sweden, UK and Poland.
SKorea votes to legalize chemical castrationAP - Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:42:37 AM By SANGWON YOON<!--Sharing Module-->
South Korea's parliament voted Tuesday to legalize chemical castration as punishment for convicted child sex offenders after a series of violent assaults sparked outrage nationwide.The bill was first introduced in 2008 in response to a high-profile case in which a 58-year-old man raped and assaulted an 8-year-old girl. The attack caused widespread revulsion and left the victim with lasting physical injuries.
Government policies, including the installation of more security personnel near school grounds as well as multiple surveillance cameras, have not prevented a series of similar cases.
A 33-year-old man who raped and murdered a 13-year-old girl in February was sentenced to death last week. In another high-profile case, a 45-year-old man allegedly kidnapped a student from her elementary school and raped her in the basement of a church.
South Korean legislators at the National Assembly passed the bill by a vote of 137-13. More than 140 lawmakers either did not make a choice or did not vote. The legislation would take effect a year after being signed into law.
The legislation, which requires the South Korean president's signature to become law, would allow judges to sentence adult sex offenders who victimize minors under 16 and have been diagnosed as sexual deviants to chemical castration.
It was unclear if President Lee Myung-bak would sign it. He is on a visit to Latin America and his office would not comment.
The procedure involves the administration of testosterone-suppressing hormones intended to curb sexual drive. Offenders would also receive behavioral and psychological therapies.
Dr. Howard Zonana, a professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine, said questions remain on such treatment.
"It's hard to say with a degree of exactitude on the effectiveness of chemical castration," Zonana said.
He said that for it to be effective, it must first be determined whether offenders are pedophiliacs, who have a strong attraction to children, or non-sexual deviants possessing other underlying psychiatric disorders that cause them to act violently.
If signed into law, South Korea would become the first country in Asia to legalize chemical castration, according to Yoo Jin-hee, an aide to Park Young-sun, a member of the assembly's Legislation and Judiciary Committee.
In the United States, several states including Louisiana, California, Oregon and Arizona have laws allowing chemical castration. In Europe, countries including Britain, Denmark and Sweden offer chemical castration drugs to sex offenders to control sexual urges on a voluntary basis. Last year, Poland legalized the procedure for offenders who rape minors under age 15 or close relatives. It is administered on court order.
The measure is just one of a long line that South Korea has turned to after a spate of assaults. Parents formed monitoring groups to escort their children to and from schools. The government enforced the wearing of electronic ankle bracelets to monitor the movements of sex offenders and endorsed disclosing their identities to the public. The city council in the southern port city of Busan offered 5,000 whistles to children to blow for help.
Some critics of the procedure have argued that while it may stop sex crimes, it doesn't necessarily prevent other violent crimes. Civil liberties advocates have also called the procedure barbaric, and some papers in South Korea raised ethical concerns. But many supported the move.
"It's meaningless and useless to debate whether chemical castration by nature violates basic human rights," the Hankook Ilbo newspaper wrote in an editorial on its website after the legislation passed, saying that it cannot compare to the suffering of victims.
David Benjamin, a Ph.D who is a clinical pharmacologist and forensic toxicologist at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center in Boston, said hindering physically arousal may not deter mental arousal.
"Arousal is in the brain," he said. "It transfers to a bodily function when you become aroused, but I don't know whether there has been enough scientific research to prove that hindering a bodily function can keep you from being aroused."
http://www.mail.com/intl/article.aspx/science/0/apnews/science/20100629/u_as-skorea-chemical-castration?pageid=2&pCurr=1&pNext=2
Singapore also mah, if any guy wants to rape me, i will also castrate him, my bag got police whistle issue by police, mist spray which i bought in KL and also a sharp swiss knife for castrating purpose. -
Killing a human being is unethical and illegal.So do you want to let govt employee to kill human beings?
But in this forum, I think I "play piano to cows" -- some of those who like to speak up are 'cows'
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Originally posted by PRP:
Killing a human being is unethical and illegal.So do you want to let govt employee to kill human beings?
But in this forum, I think I "play piano to cows" -- some of those who like to speak up are 'cows'
Come on PRP, there are some who want death sentences and some who dont want. You cannot simply want to listen to the same tune. That will make no improvement. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
Come on PRP, there are some who want death sentences and some who dont want. You cannot simply want to listen to the same tune. That will make no improvement.Sure, I accept different viewpoints but I don't like msg from trolls.
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I enjoyed earlier members were discussing about punishment for rape.Best arguments are from Junyang, Badzmaro and Angel.
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Originally posted by PRP:
Killing a human being is unethical and illegal.So do you want to let govt employee to kill human beings?
But in this forum, I think I "play piano to cows" -- some of those who like to speak up are 'cows'
for cows, you play guitar, piano or those chinese er hu is for buffalo ya.a drug smuggler do not see the consequences of his action, no doubt he gets rewarded for every successful smuggling, but the cause to the society is tremedous harmful, it lead people to rob, steal, or even dead of overdose. Thousands, if not millions will be affected by his action. Drug can bring a man down to his kneel, it can destroy a family, a good young boy or gal progress. If you look at singapore, we have a very minor drug problem here, unlike other countries, which is easily accessible, that is because of our stringent laws on drug that have serve us so well so far, so I would like to say, capital punishment is good for drug smuggling peoples carrying above 15g.
That is all, i hope the jury can decide and vote for the righteous for the sake of our society. Your honor, I have no further comment.
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Junyang,
Check out the statistics of relapse rates for drug addicts. The social costs.
I am for life sentence. You know the certain religion will hasten a soul for blessing by having barbeques.
Drug money, what is it used for?
Dear sir, I sympathize, I empathize I agree with your point.
People live and die everyday. If your sister was the one popped in the Oberon Trident. I say you fricking go nuke them poppy fields.
This point alone condones the unspeakable. Go swim with the fishes.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
for cows, you play guitar, piano or those chinese er hu is for buffalo ya.a drug smuggler do not see the consequences of his action, no doubt he gets rewarded for every successful smuggling, but the cause to the society is tremedous harmful, it lead people to rob, steal, or even dead of overdose. Thousands, if not millions will be affected by his action. Drug can bring a man down to his kneel, it can destroy a family, a good young boy or gal progress. If you look at singapore, we have a very minor drug problem here, unlike other countries, which is easily accessible, that is because of our stringent laws on drug that have serve us so well so far, so I would like to say, capital punishment is good for drug smuggling peoples carrying above 15g.
That is all, i hope the jury can decide and vote for the righteous for the sake of our society. Your honor, I have no further comment.
Do u mean u blame all those problems solely on drug traffickers?Are u sure Singapore drug problem is minor due to capital punishment for drug trafficking?I believe there are many factors which contribute to such a situation -- not capital punishment alone.
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Originally posted by CrazyMick:
Junyang,
Check out the statistics of relapse rates for drug addicts. The social costs.
I am for life sentence. You know the certain religion will hasten a soul for blessing by having barbeques.
Drug money, what is it used for?
Dear sir, I sympathize, I empathize I agree with your point.
People live and die everyday. If your sister was the one popped in the Oberon Trident. I say you fricking go nuke them poppy fields.
This point alone condones the unspeakable. Go swim with the fishes.
One more capital punishment opposer spoke out.
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The intention of the govt for using capital punishment on drug trafficking is good. But it shouldn't use an inhumane punishment. It is similar to a father who disciplines his child shouldn't use a cruel punishment which is against the law.
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"All the comments on my arguments have been wrong because we stand on different viewpoint.
So don't comment on my opinions.Make your own argument to support your viewpoint."
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Originally posted by PRP:
Do u mean u blame all those problems solely on drug traffickers?Are u sure Singapore drug problem is minor due to capital punishment for drug trafficking?I believe there are many factors which contribute to such a situation -- not capital punishment alone.
did i said that social problems and crimes is solely from drug traffickers action?? I think all of us know very well that drug is one of the major key contributor to crimes and other social problems in any societies across this globe. -
Angel,
This is the question I asked you: "Do u mean u blame all those problems solely on drug traffickers?" U should read the question carefully.
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Just hang the bastard lah. if you all don;t like angel7030's comment please forgive her. tomorrow saturday afternoon and night i will fix her properly good good. Angel i love you
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As I said before, capital punishment for killing pple, life sentences for drug.