A msian boy sentenced to death for drug trafficking
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TS, u lumped so many logics into one post and ask us to discuss? u are putting too many things on your plate la.
in this case of lobbying anti-PAP, u failed, cause ur logic is weak. this law, in particularly is to protect our citizen from drugs, and most of us know the effects/impact of drugs. By using a drug-mule, who is paid, and knowingly bring the drugs into singapore where the law on this is cast-iron and getting caught is a shut-case. nothing to discuss.
ta.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
no idea, i am not a lawman
but personally, i think that malaysian's life should be spared becos he is too young.
wow, and they can get all the young kids to help bring in the moola?
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as said, laws are created by men, men who are mandated by the Govt and president of Singapore to guards it. And the Govt and President are mandated by the citizens who voted them to be...so now, what you want?? Let them do the job ya.
And since 1965, the world already long know the penalty of 5g of drug smuggled into Singapore, you see big board at harbour, causeways and airport. And all airlines had been informing peoples before disembarking here, that the penalty of carrying drug into singapore is a death sentence. But some just dun listen.
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Originally posted by eagle:
wow, and they can get all the young kids to help bring in the moola?
get a 9 yr old to do it
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It is not his age, it is the amount of drugs he brought in. 40 grams? You are hanging him for 40 g? Its not even enough for his own consumption. I think it is a bit too harsh. Perhaps should impose a deterrent prison sentence.
Yeah, who am I to say whether a person should be hung or not. I don't want to judge anybody but I give my sympathies to everyone involved.
In USA drugs are a major problem, but capital sentencing is only limited to certain states and jurisdiction so mexican, black and neo nazi drug gangs flourished there. The drug smuggling has caused a lot of problems in Mexico and Colombia. In Colombia, the main drug supplier, FARC has launched a rebel war against the Colombian government, killed and kidnapped many civilians and plunged the country into chaos. Most of the drugs in Colombia are illegally exported to USA via Mexico. In Mexico, drug cartels have killed scores of law enforcement, civilians, government candidates who campaign against drugs. And then USA, drugs have robbed the life of many prominent Hollywood stars and also ordinary people through overdose. In prisons, thousands of prisoners were killed each day, in drug gang related wars as each gang trudges into each other's business turf. Even in the streets of America, gang shoot outs and gang wars are killing people everyday. Some mafia, mexico and black gang members give their new members the rite of passage by ordering them to kill at least one person. Corruption, murder, havoc, kidnapping, drug abuse, overdose terrorism are some of the problems created by the illegal drug trade.
So I ask you, when you smuggle drugs intentionally (not by accident or set up by other people), does this ever affect your conscience?
I hate to admit it and though capital punishment is inherently cruel but it had in the past saved many countries from the drug problem.
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As said, this is not something new, most foreigners will know that drug smuggling carry a capital punishment in here and malaysia. In comparing to US of A, we are a small fragile city, now if we are not strict to such extend, we are asking for trouble, we got 2 causeways, 4 to 5 ferries terminals from west to east, 33 world busiest PSA gates to mend, one top class airport to take care of, if we are lax with laws in drug smuggling, then we can kiss goodbye to Singapore.
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Originally posted by Hugh Hefner:
It is not his age, it is the amount of drugs he brought in. 40 grams? You are hanging him for 40 g? Its not even enough for his own consumption. I think it is a bit too harsh. Perhaps should impose a deterrent prison sentence.
hi, then the question will be how much is enough or not enough? i think it is dangerous if there is a grey area, better clean, white or black.
IMHO only.
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drugs is still drugs.
Although I do not really accept e death penalty for such cases, I detest lawyers trying to get M'sia govt in this case to make a fuss to ICJ or whoever.
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So if those drug lords start using old people and kids to deliver their drugs, are we to let them all off?
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Originally posted by Pitot:
For your information not everything carries the death penalty in singapore. Unfortunately, the young man committed an offence that carries one. Sorry, let him swing.
So what else do you want to discuss? The recent weather? Or whether the ba kut teh is better in malaysia or singapore?
Oh really?I thought murder a person in Singapore also carry a death penalty,then why the Indonesian maid was spare?LKY n some PAP ministers "cork sucking" foreigners again?What a bunch of weaklings....
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
TS, u lumped so many logics into one post and ask us to discuss? u are putting too many things on your plate la.
in this case of lobbying anti-PAP, u failed, cause ur logic is weak. this law, in particularly is to protect our citizen from drugs, and most of us know the effects/impact of drugs. By using a drug-mule, who is paid, and knowingly bring the drugs into singapore where the law on this is cast-iron and getting caught is a shut-case. nothing to discuss.
ta.
My logic is weak?LOL!!!
Lose ur weight before u criticize me,Fatboy.
And one more thing,i dont anti PAP,i despise them!!!!Get ur fuking fact right,Fatty!!!
And also,the PAP milk our money like nobody business n u are still idolised them?Pardon me for asking,do u still have any "BALLS"????Fatty
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
Oh really?I thought murder a person in Singapore also carry a death penalty,then why the Indonesian maid was spare?LKY n some PAP ministers "cork sucking" foreigners again?What a bunch of weaklings....
If you do read the report properly on why the Indonesian was spared. She was given a life sentence instead as she is found to be suffering from mental illness. In this case, how can a person of mental incapacity be subjected to the death sentence?
If the subject we are talking now, do really involve mental sickness, the consequences might have been different. On the other hand, when this guy is released from jail, due to the psychiatric report on his mental problems, he would have a big problem finding future employment and support his life independently.
Either way, he won't have a good time. He chose to deliver the drugs, then he have to face the consequences.
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For my opinion,drug trafficking should be punished with life or 15 to 20 years.That will serve as a serious warning.I mean,a person has how many 15 or 20 yrs?Surely,these offenders will do some soul searching while in jail.Death penalty is too much,as many countries has viewed us as police state.
Its just like in Communist China,raping a women or corruption money can easily put u in death sentence.From our view,it is too much.Thats why for other democratic countries,our PAP ministers are over reacting towards drug trafficking.
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Originally posted by TYING:
If you do read the report properly on why the Indonesian was spared. She was given a life sentence instead as she is found to be suffering from mental illness. In this case, how can a person of mental incapacity be subjected to the death sentence?
If the subject we are talking now, do really involve mental sickness, the consequences might have been different. On the other hand, when this guy is released from jail, due to the psychiatric report on his mental problems, he would have a big problem finding future employment and support his life independently.
Either way, he won't have a good time. He chose to deliver the drugs, then he have to face the consequences.
I dont think the maid suffer from any mental sickness,if i remember correctly,the way she murder her female employer seems to be well planned.And if i am not wrong,she also murder the employer kids,(correct me if i am wrong).
Anyway,i am no expert in analysing whether the maid was mentally ill.But,i think its too serious to charge the Malaysian boy with death penalty.If i were a judge n could choose,i would rather sentence the maid to death,coz mentally ill or not,if she were out of jail,she might likely to kill again since she already has experience n has killed someone before.But that boy will less likely to kill someone when he was released from jail.
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And also,what is the motives of sentencing the boy to death?To show to the world that LKY or his PAP ministers are not racist?Come on,cut the act!!!
LKY n some of his ministers dont believe in what Americans n Western countries has adviced them already show they are a bunch of racist pigs.I am sure when LKY visit other countries,like United States or other Western countries,their leaders n politicians must have advice LKY that autocracy or dictatorship wont work for a country,especially in modern days.
But did LKY listen to them?No,he doesnt even bother to analyse or think for a moment whether what they said is true or not?Why he behave so?Coz LKY is racist.
Let me elaborate,if i dislike a person,or even hate or despise him,everything that the person told me,whether it is an advice or anything,i will turn deaf ear.This is a fact that we all experience in real life.LKY looks down on Americans n Westerners,thats why whether it is democracy issues,or canning law or drug trafficking death penalty,he simply turn deaf ear to their advices.
To go even further,he even comes up with a theory of so called "Asian democracy",n that Western democracy dont suit us,we must have Asian democracy,which to interpret it,is actually "Autocracy".
I mean what is the so called Asian democracy?Why western democracy doesnt suit us?Is LKY telling us that we Asians have 4 eyes,2 noses,eight hands n legs?We dont need to eat or sh!t?If the Westerners need to eat or sh!t just like us,n have the same body parts like us,i dont see why Western democracy dont suit us.Unless of coz,LKY n some of his ministers are racist n that they are lying!!!
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
y logic is weak?LOL!!!
Lose ur weight before u criticize me,Fatboy.
And one more thing,i dont anti PAP,i despise them!!!!Get ur fuking fact right,Fatty!!!
And also,the PAP milk our money like nobody business n u are still idolised them?Pardon me for asking,do u still have any "BALLS"????Fatty
it is always degrading when people stoop to low levels and being personal insteading of discussing.
i ask you this question, I believe U have balls, the size of bowling balls, so what have you done??
Alas, i see ur real face.. Dwell in your well, lowlife.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
Recently,a young Malaysian boy was sentence to death penalty for trafficking drug into Singapore,n he was sentence to death.
Now,there are some big problem here.If my memory serve me right,i remember there was a case whereby an Indonesian maid kill her employer n get away with death penalty.My guess is probably our PAP government afraid to offend the Indonesia.
This time,a young Malaysian Chinese was sentence to death just becoz of drug traffickering?What kind of logic is that?Killing someone can get away with death penalty,while carry drug is sentence to death,tell me,what kind of logic is that?No wonder many Singaporeans dont respect Singapore laws anymore,coz it seems to be "LKY Law",not our country law!!!!
Furthermore,although Malaysian government do plead for the boy,but we all do know that Malaysian government is a racist country.They only care about Malay Muslim,they dont really give a damn about Chinese n Indians or any other races in their country.From their "Malay Privileges" policy we can tell that.So,our PAP government might think they will be "safe" to sentence the boy to death without any retaliation from Malaysia.
Another wrong part about this judgement is that that offender is only 18 or 19 yrs old when committed the crime,what does a 19 yrs old boy know about "life"?What does he know about the "evil nature" of some humans?(i think i dont need to elaborate who is the devils here).That poor victim doesnt even consider a "man" but merely a "boy" who doesnt know the dangerous of this world.
And yet LKY n his PAP ministers simply sentence the boy to death without consider the age of the victim,LOL!!!!I know its the judge who sentence the boy to death,but who create the law?Who can control the law?
And becoz of this,LKY n his PAP ministers can be rest assure that they will go to "Hell" after their death.
Lets not mix up the indonesian and the malaysian. offence committed in Singapore and they are tried under the singapore law, regardless of their nationality.
The police ascertain the facts, the prosecutor present the case against the offender, the defendant is entitled to legal defence, and the judges pass the judgement and sentence according the facts and argument presented, and based on the law.
There is no such thing "if you were the judge", for you don't know the law, you don't have all the facts, and your only argument for the trafficker is that he is a boy, by what definition do you call him a boy? he shares pacifier with you?
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
I dont think the maid suffer from any mental sickness,if i remember correctly,the way she murder her female employer seems to be well planned.And if i am not wrong,she also murder the employer kids,(correct me if i am wrong).
Anyway,i am no expert in analysing whether the maid was mentally ill.But,i think its too serious to charge the Malaysian boy with death penalty.If i were a judge n could choose,i would rather sentence the maid to death,coz mentally ill or not,if she were out of jail,she might likely to kill again since she already has experience n has killed someone before.But that boy will less likely to kill someone when he was released from jail.
Maybe you can dig out the report to check cos I'm posting base on my memory too. Leaving the case of the maid aside, we were all taught from young the damages drugs can inflict socially as well as on an individual well being. I do not know how much drugs that has to be consumed before it kills a person, thus for that 40g of drugs, I am not sure how much damage would be done.
However, one thing for sure is, damage would definitely be done. And drugs kill, in other words, he is also considered a murderer, someone who would cause social problems in Singapore, someone who would disrupt another person way of life by bringing that drug.
For someone who would impose so much trouble in our country, why should we show him leniency?
True enough, not everyone have that many 10 or 15 yrs. But the real culprits behind the scene could have easily given him a lump sum which could be use for taking care of his family for that 10-15 yrs. In this case, it is most likely that he would return to his old ways, seeking it as a means to provide for his family.
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Originally posted by Tanrave:
And also,what is the motives of sentencing the boy to death?To show to the world that LKY or his PAP ministers are not racist?Come on,cut the act!!!
LKY n some of his ministers dont believe in what Americans n Western countries has adviced them already show they are a bunch of racist pigs.I am sure when LKY visit other countries,like United States or other Western countries,their leaders n politicians must have advice LKY that autocracy or dictatorship wont work for a country,especially in modern days.
But did LKY listen to them?No,he doesnt even bother to analyse or think for a moment whether what they said is true or not?Why he behave so?Coz LKY is racist.
Let me elaborate,if i dislike a person,or even hate or despise him,everything that the person told me,whether it is an advice or anything,i will turn deaf ear.This is a fact that we all experience in real life.LKY looks down on Americans n Westerners,thats why whether it is democracy issues,or canning law or drug trafficking death penalty,he simply turn deaf ear to their advices.
To go even further,he even comes up with a theory of so called "Asian democracy",n that Western democracy dont suit us,we must have Asian democracy,which to interpret it,is actually "Autocracy".
I mean what is the so called Asian democracy?Why western democracy doesnt suit us?Is LKY telling us that we Asians have 4 eyes,2 noses,eight hands n legs?We dont need to eat or sh!t?If the Westerners need to eat or sh!t just like us,n have the same body parts like us,i dont see why Western democracy dont suit us.Unless of coz,LKY n some of his ministers are racist n that they are lying!!!
What you see: a young drug trafficker sentenced to death
What you don't see: drug kings waging wars, killing people sending minions to traffic drugs. Every successful drug trafficking makes him stronger. Every sale makes him more powerful. To cut off the source of these evil drug lords, What do you think all the government should do to solve the problem?
For the west, they condone it, allowing it to be a part of the culture, feeding the evil, not thinking about how the tiny sales adds up
For Singapore, the answer is to make sure that every trafficker really, really think twice before even trying, and starving the source, not even allowing the culture to have any chance of setting in.
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I think death sentence serve as a deterrence to potentials tracffickers.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
the laws is created by men and determined by men, if 18yo can be pardon, then lots of 18yo across both side of the straits can smuggle drug in, do you want that to happen. The punishment is very clear cut, if you are lax on it, more will come in and make this country the centre of drug transaction, the like of Amsterdam and golden triangle.
Of course he can appeal, but for me, case Close..COURT adjourned!!
Judge angel7030 wearing a lawyer/judge wig...
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
In Singapore, when your height is above 1.2m, you are considered an adult.
You pay adult fares already.lol. nice 1
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Originally posted by skythewood:
What you see: a young drug trafficker sentenced to death
What you don't see: drug kings waging wars, killing people sending minions to traffic drugs. Every successful drug trafficking makes him stronger. Every sale makes him more powerful. To cut off the source of these evil drug lords, What do you think all the government should do to solve the problem?
For the west, they condone it, allowing it to be a part of the culture, feeding the evil, not thinking about how the tiny sales adds up
For Singapore, the answer is to make sure that every trafficker really, really think twice before even trying, and starving the source, not even allowing the culture to have any chance of setting in.
Young refer to a Young man, not a young boy.As said, singapore is too fragile to allow drug to flow around, we will sink within a year if we are to allow to follow western culture. We must be smart, we learn the good from the westerner, throw the bad and we can be better than them in no time.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
In Singapore, when your height is above 1.2m, you are considered an adult.
You pay adult fares already.
so old peoples like short ninja who is alway below 1.2m would had enjoyed better benefit in Singapore -
Originally posted by Tanrave:
Oh really?I thought murder a person in Singapore also carry a death penalty,then why the Indonesian maid was spare?LKY n some PAP ministers "cork sucking" foreigners again?What a bunch of weaklings....
Did you check what was the maid charged with? Sure it carries the death penalty?
You keep whining but fail to even do abit of google fu. I am not going to do it for you.