Singaporeans overwhelmed by numerical superiority of foreign
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
From the 60's onward, Asia was heading for growth. The growth gained momentum after the Vietnam War, then the rise of China. Following Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore grew to be the dragons. The opportunities were there for everybody, not just Singapore.In fact, countries such as Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia, with resources, land and minerals, should grow faster and stronger, but they didn't capitalize on the opportunity.
We are gald to have the correct leaders.
The 2nd gen leaders built on the foundations built by the 1st and brought us to where we are today. The 3rd gen are to bring us forward. It appears that they need the high salaries to come forward to lead. What can we do for the ppl who are likely to be better to come forward?
those who bitch, mourn, whine, KPKB are not worth talking about.
Seriously Singapore was too lucky, one of e very first few together w/ ROC, Hong Kong, Korea to open up aft Japan. It's something ppl would say we're out of mind.Else Jurong would never be called Dr Goh's folly plan.
Well, if the younger gen (post - 65) e better ones has the selflessness to come out and serve as like our forefathers, it would be as kilat as e past. But I guess it's not going to be easy la partly the system, partly life has changed.
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they've to brace themselves...
Back then they declared JB would never be adversely hit by Singapore IR.. now to realise it isn't. Even developing IDR needs foreign investment.
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enjoy this everybody!!!
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wat a piece of propagandist shit
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follower without forethoughts
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Heard LHL's National Day's speech? More FT is to come. My co is already 90% FT. Feel like a foreigner myself. Malaysian gangs, China gangs, Indian gangs..etc. Am told that Singaporean workers not welcomed as they are picky and cannot take hardships like the FTs. Singapore is their minefield now.
I am looking forward to our next GE.
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Originally posted by parn:
1. Oh! You know our ministers very well. So when do you think we will have our NEXT ENTHNIC MALAY PRESIDENT? And why Singapore has such tough policy against asylum seekers or refugees? --- Since we are not anti-foreigners. (I can already imagine your excuses about not having enough room to contain them in Singapore and other non-related excuses to not embracing foreigners = Non-Singaporeans.)
There are many others examples I could remind you of anti-foreigners, remember our political issues with Dr. Habibi of Indonesia and Dr. Mahathir. Building casinos and affecting the businesses in JB, do we also embrace these foreigners in good faith?
2. If Singaporeans truly accepted these foreigners who have changed their citizenship to Singapore citizens as true blue Singaporeans, then why is there a need to categorise them as new citizens and not Singaporeans. Clearly there is a difference in everyone's hearts.
How many non-Singaporeans friends do you have? How many of your friends are not born in Singapore provided you are born in Singapore? Do your maths and then come and tell me how you have embraced these foreigners and how you are not anti-foreigners.
4, 5. If you don't know what I am talking about and yet you still go and guess and assume based on your subjective and negative impression of me, I can only say you are dumb and stupid if you even try to have a baseless argument and expects me to correct you. I don't have time to babysit, educate or even accomodate your imaginery dispute.
Unlike you, I don't argue for the sake of arguing. Understand my posts before you make any ridiculous replies.
And it's not that I cannot help you, I just don't see the need to do so.
Wow, for your "intelligence", that was one rude and aloft reply! Mr. Parn!
Anyway, I'm not sure if you truly understand the ground, and understand the true reason why there's such heated debate over S'poreans VS foreigners.
I guess, only guess that you're are not directly, or distantly indirectly, affected in work, school or play by these foreigners.
That is why you can debate with such aplomb on this issue. Love your stand, love your angel emoticon!
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Originally posted by dotaro:
Wow, for your "intelligence", that was one rude and aloft reply! Mr. Parn!
Anyway, I'm not sure if you truly understand the ground, and understand the true reason why there's such heated debate over S'poreans VS foreigners.
I guess, only guess that you're are not directly, or distantly indirectly, affected in work, school or play by these foreigners.
That is why you can debate with such aplomb on this issue. Love your stand, love your angel emoticon!
Its Miss Parn.
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I thought these are some of the categories of foreigners coming to Singapore.
1) foreign workers and foreign sex workers that are here temporary for construction work once that is done they go back unless they managed to get a wife or hooked a husband. SE Asian. PRC and S Asian. They will returned again for other contract work.
2) foreigners who are here for a period of 5 - 10 years who are here to make money and thinking of returning to home country to built a home.
3) foreigners who want to get singapore PR and transit to America or other countries using singapore passport. These are 2nd or 3rd tier talent but due to family background they may have large financial capital.
4) foreigners who are highly mobile global citizen goes to where jobs goes. They will leave once jobs dry up.
5) Foreign Talent with specialized skill such as research scientist in extreme specialized field high level of research knowledge required etc.
6) Foreign Talent who worked and held senior management position in global companies.
7) Lifestyle foreigners ....there are those wealthy foreigners who enjoyed the freedom of choices and get to choose where they wanted to live will buy their way for a PR. But they are never faithful or Royalty to Singapore since it is a lifestyle choice.
8) Foreigners entreprenuer startup.....SME.
Let me know if there are other categories and In your opinon which group are affecting jobs and which group are consuming singapore resources and contribute little? Which group will eventually help to spur population......
Please note i only used Foreign Talent in 5 and 6.
Have fun......
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Hi Arapahoe
5) We can add our international table tennis team to this category, not just research scientists
International soccer team too. We also have foreigners who really want to make Singapore their home, and convert to Singapore citizenship. They don't just aim for PR, but to really convert. There are also foreign students who eventually work and settle down here for good. I personally know one.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Hi Arapahoe
5) We can add our international table tennis team to this category, not just research scientists
International soccer team too. We also have foreigners who really want to make Singapore their home, and convert to Singapore citizenship. They don't just aim for PR, but to really convert. There are also foreign students who eventually work and settle down here for good. I personally know one.
Foreigners who wants to be SG PR and citizen will appear in all categories. But the ultimate intend is obscured by individual lifestyle, goals. etc.....
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true true, but they usually will not appear in (1) :)
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Originally posted by eagle:
true true, but they usually will not appear in (1) :)
not necessary. I personnally know of Indian workers been in SG for 8 - 13 years still could not get a PR....i think given the opportunity they will want a PR....ironically Govt keep saying jobs that nobody want but we are not giving this folks the PR....
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govt want them to work here, but dun want them to retire here mah
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dun earn enough...basic is below a certain value or so
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but then i saw a phillippino engineer earn so much and he wasn t given pr after 5 years......said he was so dissapointed.
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because he only knows how to work, lack of networking and connection, like me from taiwan, just date the MP and his son once a while for dinner, within weeks, get PR liao
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Originally posted by angel7030:
because he only knows how to work, lack of networking and connection, like me from taiwan, just date the MP and his son once a while for dinner, within weeks, get PR liao
alamak, don tel me becos of getting PR, you 出�色相!!!
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Originally posted by eagle:
govt want them to work here, but dun want them to retire here mah
At their level of works they are at the lowerest food chain where they are always part of a "Labor Quota" So it is impossible for them to move up the food chain. -
Why PR is in this thread? Guess the "for PAP" muz be non-Singaporeans.
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I think categories 2, 3, and 4 most likely displace jobs from Singaporean. Although 4 could be subjectives to relevant professional experiences.
Categories 5,6,7,8 most likely contribute the most to Singapore in terms of knowledge, industries, and consumption.
Categories 1 contributed to infrastructure and property housing...etc.
Some foreigners in Cat 4,5,6,7,8....... due to work will eventually settledown in Singapore and have kids. While holding dual citizenship. SG Govt is creating a generation of foreign 2nd generation Singapore born citizen. Or I called it "Domestics Import Citizen"
The challenge i think is how does the govt incorporate the Singapore experience with the foreign local born citizen in Serving NS experience?
It is also to note that Singapore govt encourage overseas singaporean not to forget Singapore. That is to say they want overseas Singaporean to be internationalised as part of global citizen eventually swim back to Singapore as their roots lies. The composition make up of Singaporean will eventually not be limited to Chinese, Indian, Malay, Eurasian, but Americas, anglo saxon, Arab. latin..... etc.....
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Originally posted by Ä«Õß:¸ïÀë:
alamak, don tel me becos of getting PR, you 出�色相!!!
in this world, you have to give and take, if not, life may become Les Miserable -
PAP is invincible.No matter how we complain abt government policy.PAP will still win the election.
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Originally posted by Positron:
PAP is invincible.No matter how we complain abt government policy.PAP will still win the election.
But they will see their margin erode eventually over time.
This is a real concern for them, as more and more people from the younger generations get to vote, the balance will start to work against them because the new generation is less likely to be that easy to convince, having grown up post-independence and having seen the emptiness of much of the Singaporean dream.
It is not enough now to provide a house and job to everyone, and even nowadays these things are not secure. If you do not have the freedom and ability to affect change in that, then you're in real trouble. The younger generation is less likely to passively take things lying down.
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Originally posted by Positron:
PAP is invincible.No matter how we complain abt government policy.PAP will still win the election.
Nothing is forever. For any matter ther is an anti-matter. Any program there is a start and an end. All matter will disintergrate in due time. We shall see.