Singaporeans overwhelmed by numerical superiority of foreign
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and as with any force, there comes a reaction that produces the eventual friction and of course sounds (to put it in 3D realistic effect)...to suppress the natural sound of discontent is to watch a muted movie by deliberately shutting off its sound effects....
so likely the abuse of the women charter and is so visibly that the system refuses to acknowledge its existence does not mean all is well...there must be some hidden agenda or selfishness of a particular power holder linking to this..
an imported book or idea that can displease that power holder could be easily and "legally" exterminated ...what could not be done to the abuse of the women charter, which is grossly lopsided in favour of only one side of the world?
the point here is that the charter is overemphasized...
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Originally posted by kengkia:
Just because you are dishonest about the fact, doesn't necessarily means I'm wrong.
1. It's true that all Singaporeans are anti-foreigners. But all Singaporeans are capable of putting up a warm pretense to welcome foreigners. And how they expresses their displeasure comes in different forms, most of it are hardly noticeable, for example like how you have expressed in your post.
2. Singapore does not belongs to Singaporeans. We are all immigrants once and we all comes from different countries. The only Singaporean is probably the lion that Sang Nila Utama saw when he landed in this Island.
Do you mean that Singapore is not your country? Do you mean that this land dun belong to us true blue? if your answer is yes , please kindly surrender ya red passport to ICA.
3. SPG is a sexist term founded by stupid sillyporeans guys for Singaporean girls. What should Singaporean girls call those Singaporean guys who married those mail-ordered whores from overseas? Losers perhaps? or Cheap fuckers? Then again, each individual have their own freedom to mix and befriend whoever they wish and should be able to do so without any form of discrimination against them.
I have said my piece regarding this in the other thread.
4. You do not know that the Government actually have little or no control over how companies have chosen to operate in Singapore. They can only lay out guidelines but they are unable to enforce anything onto the companies in Singapore.
Why bother to pay them highest ministerial salary in the world?
5. The Government have a plan for Singaporeans. Just because Singaporeans are unable to take hardships and have the foresight to see what the government had in store for the future of Singapore, doesn't necessarily means that the government is not doing a good job. Ultimately, only Singaporeans will stand to gain from the end-result from these government policies. I would like to see how many Singaporeans would actually praise the government when they are reaping the rewards in their future. I would say zero or none of the Singaporeans here would even bothered to put in a good word of thanks towards the government. Past and present situations have shown that Singaporeans are really just a greedy and ungrateful bunch. Ask yourself, how many Singaporeans you know that are actually grateful to the present government for what they have done for Singapore in the past? All blinded by senseless hatred and failed to notice the grand difference between Singapore and her neighbours and the rest of the world.
You sala...it's those at pinnacle of power in SG unable to take hardship, hence the out of the world salary.
That's fine with me because the Singapore that I know is supporting these ungrateful bunch from falling all over into the oceans and really such Singaporeans truly deserves to be thrown into the oceans to be fed to the sharks without the basic courtesy of being thankful, grateful and appreciative for their own country.
Please learn to be grateful, thankful and appreciative Singaporeans. We all know that we are extremely talented in the complaints department, but when are we going to admit that we have failed badly in the rewards and recognition department? Probably never ....
2. True blue Singaporeans? If you truly feel that you should take passports away from non-True blue Singaporeans, then I suggest you go and take away the passports away from your own ancestors first. If you belonged to their family tree and traced your roots, you would know that you are NOT your so-called True blue Singaporeans. Maybe 0.00001% True blue Singaporeans.But if you have already decided to disown and denied all your ancestors and where they came from, then feel free and proud to proclaim yourself as a True blue Singaporean. Please do your maths correctly next time.
4. PAP pays highest salaries to their ministers is because they wish to attract talented people to help to grow and build and carve and pave a good future for the very Singapore that you and I are residing in. The government could've paid themselves more but they didn't. They just make sure that they have paid their ministers more than enough compared to what their opposition and rebel parties could've ever offered to their rogue politicians.
Imagined if LHL or GCT went over to the opposition when they first became ministers, what would you have done? Would you have voted for opposition or PAP?
5. I see the main problem in here is that there are many Singaporeans who have little to none financial security which is caused by their little to zero job security. And who do they have to thank for all that? The answer is actually themselves because they are Singaporeans who would not hestitate to steal and rob the lifeline of their fellow Singaporeans and also because of their immoral behaviour to oppress and bully their fellow Singaporeans which has caused great distortion and mistrust and disbelieve among themselves as Singapore citizens.
Singaporeans who are guilty of such behaviours should be ashamed of themselves and discouraged from such anti-patriotic behaviour which will wreck the very foundational roots of the country from the inside out.
Soon, these people will run out of people to blame and their problems are only going to grow even larger.
Keep fighting among yourselves ok? Gambette!!!~
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beware of the concurrent majority (including the power holders) which may not be right all the time...
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looks like the brainwash is irreversable.
Since you are polite to me in this reply, so be it.
You have ya ideals , i have mine, when it comes to politics, i will stand firm.
After all we are all after a better singapore isn't it?
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Originally posted by kengkia:
<<I see a lot of overcharged emotions here. It's only an exchange of opinions right?>>
Yes, and the overcharged emotion here tells us that , even with all the complaining, whining and rambling, we still love Singapore as our land , our home, our country, unlike someone here who said "Singapore does not belongs to Singaporeans"
I DARE THAT PERSON TO COME OUT DEBUKE ME!!!! HERE AND THEN!!!
For the people who tried to claim Singapore as their own, What have they done for your country other than full of complaints and expectations and trying to burn and destroy the very government that provides a peaceful and stable environment for them to grow up into useless impoverish bums?If such people are not considered as rebels and disloyal citizens, then I already don't know what is considered as rebels and disloyal citizens because anything stronger behaviour would be considered as an act of terrorism.
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Originally posted by Fcukpap:
beware of the concurrent majority (including the power holders) which may not be right all the time...
What would you have done if all of Singapore's power were surrendered and empowered to you?You wouldn't have done a better job anyway. Take a look at your current lifestyle and future at your own job and you will know your own dim future right?
If you are really doing so well at your career, then you won't be complaining like a sore and bitter loser against the government.
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there's no need to use strong word here, what rebels, what disloyalty, all they wanted is a better singapore for singaporeans that's all. they just voicing out their opinions like you and i are doing now..
politics is part and parcel of our everyday life in SG, how well we do, how well we live, how well we prosper,how safe you and i are in SG,all cannot be detached from politics. Having a healthy political situation ensures all that.
without competition in politics, this country may be stable yes, but clearly the overpaid pinnacles underdeliver those points that i mentioned earlier...
this is what u get for a stable but stagnant politics. Stagnant politics is no good for the country in the long run.
MSK escaping, housing prices unafforable nowadays, billons being punted away, etc
and counting if u bother to read the news everyday.
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Originally posted by kengkia:
there's no need to use strong word here, what rebels, what disloyalty, all they wanted is a better singapore for singaporeans that's all. they just voicing out their opinions like you and i are doing now..
politics is part and parcel of our everyday life in SG, how well we do, how well we live, how well we prosper,how safe you and i are in SG,all cannot be detached from politics. Having a healthy political situation ensures all that.
without competition in politics, this country may be stable yes, but clearly the overpaid pinnacles underdeliver those points that i mentioned earlier...
this is what u get for a stable but stagnant politics. Stagnant politics is no good for the country in the long run.
MSK escaping, housing prices unafforable nowadays, billons being punted away, etc
and counting if u bother to read the news everyday.
The future Singaporeans will be worse than the present Singaporeans who have absolutely no sense of identity, loyalty towards the government who have helped to prosper Singapore into more than just a better country as compared to her neighbouring countries.When was the last time you heard any Singaporeans showing appreciation and thankful for what the government has done and appreciate how wonderful our country have became?
If you choose to listen to these sore and bitter rebels, then it's only a matter of time before their sorry propaganda gets into your blood and veins.
Wake up now while you still can, because propaganda won't be easily detected and defied and weak if they were real propaganda at work.
Don't know who are the ones who have been brainwashed.
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Originally posted by kengkia:
there's no need to use strong word here, what rebels, what disloyalty, all they wanted is a better singapore for singaporeans that's all. they just voicing out their opinions like you and i are doing now..
politics is part and parcel of our everyday life in SG, how well we do, how well we live, how well we prosper,how safe you and i are in SG,all cannot be detached from politics. Having a healthy political situation ensures all that.
without competition in politics, this country may be stable yes, but clearly the overpaid pinnacles underdeliver those points that i mentioned earlier...
this is what u get for a stable but stagnant politics. Stagnant politics is no good for the country in the long run.
MSK escaping, housing prices unafforable nowadays, billons being punted away, etc
and counting if u bother to read the news everyday.
Stagnant politics is not good for the country in the long run? What kind of rubbish is that?So you do not enjoy growing up in a stagnant family? You like your family to be full of conflicts and disturbances?
No need to explain further to you anyway. Do your own maths, use Country as family, use Government as parents, Citizens as you and your siblings, and apply your own stupid rebel theory how stagnant politics isn't good for the country.
Cannot figure out or you don't know what I meant or talking about again?
Then truly you should have kept your mouth shut and talk when you are ready to discuss anything of some real value.
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Regardless, of the flame i get from you i both threads. I still stand by my belief that ur a good person within, just of different value system.
I may do things that increase your suspicion of me, but the intentions is NOT to be against you.
Ask yourself are u so easily being plotted against?
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Originally posted by parn:
Stagnant politics is not good for the country in the long run? What kind of rubbish is that?So you do not enjoy growing up in a stagnant family? You like your family to be full of conflicts and disturbances?
No need to explain further to you anyway. Do your own maths, use Country as family, use Government as parents, Citizens as you and your siblings, and apply your own stupid rebel theory how stagnant politics isn't good for the country.
Cannot figure out or you don't know what I meant or talking about again?
Then truly you should have kept your mouth shut and talk when you are ready to discuss anything of some real value.
it may be rubbish to you but many people here will agree with me. Just see, even if they never say anything, it doesn't meant that your right also.
Does you posts with flaming elements have real value of discussion to this thread, miss parnie?
i doubt so. u only bent on flaming people here , nothing else.You only have the mind of flaming people when your point do not meet theirs, is this ya perspective when having a discussion here?
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Originally posted by parn:
The future Singaporeans will be worse than the present Singaporeans who have absolutely no sense of identity, loyalty towards the government who have helped to prosper Singapore into more than just a better country as compared to her neighbouring countries.When was the last time you heard any Singaporeans showing appreciation and thankful for what the government has done and appreciate how wonderful our country have became?
If you choose to listen to these sore and bitter rebels, then it's only a matter of time before their sorry propaganda gets into your blood and veins.
Wake up now while you still can, because propaganda won't be easily detected and defied and weak if they were real propaganda at work.
Don't know who are the ones who have been brainwashed.
Seriously speaking, Singapore was just too lucky to be in e correct time during seperation and with e correct leaders.
To me, there's always ppl around who are better than e 3rd gen or rather today's gen of leaders.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Seriously speaking, Singapore was just too lucky to be in e correct time during seperation and with e correct leaders.
To me, there's always ppl around who are better than e 3rd gen or rather today's gen of leaders.
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Originally posted by parn:
Hmm....you don't know the separation was the decision which was planned and caused by Singapore?
it wasn't actually if you see wat's going on in M'sia today.Ppl in M'sia wants meritocracy. But you think even MCA will allow PAP to preach Malaysian Malaysia further?
Tan Siew Sin or chief of MCA would be out of job man...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
it wasn't actually if you see wat's going on in M'sia today.Ppl in M'sia wants meritocracy. But you think even MCA will allow PAP to preach Malaysian Malaysia further?
Tan Siew Sin or chief of MCA would be out of job man...
Hmm.....we did...we planned and indirectly caused the separation and then cried over the separation for Singapore's own good.China would know why Singapore needed the separation.
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Originally posted by parn:
Hmm.....we did...we planned and indirectly caused the separation and then cried over the separation for Singapore's own good.
you got it wrong.Even Dr Goh 1st planned for a common market w/ Malaysia as a hinterland for factory goods.
It's unless u're saying it's ok and not painstaking to get wat's we've today - a Armed forces (back in seperation we dun even have a proper Army, only 1 formation), strong economy, better quality of living standard least compared to most ppl in Asia.
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China wouldn't know why Singapore needed e seperation - simply because tat time was ard e cultural revolution period.
Furthermore, tat time MCP still had their backing.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
you got it wrong.Even Dr Goh 1st planned for a common market w/ Malaysia as a hinterland for factory goods.
It's unless u're saying it's ok and not painstaking to get wat's we've today - a Armed forces (back in seperation we dun even have a proper Army, only 1 formation), strong economy, better quality of living standard least compared to most ppl in Asia.
Did I got it wrong?I'm not concern about what had happened in the past anyway, not worth arguing over it.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Seriously speaking, Singapore was just too lucky to be in e correct time during seperation and with e correct leaders.
To me, there's always ppl around who are better than e 3rd gen or rather today's gen of leaders.
From the 60's onward, Asia was heading for growth. The growth gained momentum after the Vietnam War, then the rise of China. Following Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore grew to be the dragons. The opportunities were there for everybody, not just Singapore.In fact, countries such as Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia, with resources, land and minerals, should grow faster and stronger, but they didn't capitalize on the opportunity.
We are gald to have the correct leaders.
The 2nd gen leaders built on the foundations built by the 1st and brought us to where we are today. The 3rd gen are to bring us forward. It appears that they need the high salaries to come forward to lead. What can we do for the ppl who are likely to be better to come forward?
those who bitch, mourn, whine, KPKB are not worth talking about.
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Originally posted by parn:
Did I got it wrong?I'm not concern about what had happened in the past anyway, not worth arguing over it.
You got it wrong.
We were kicked out of malaysia, and china probably didn't notice that singapore had become an independent country in the 60s.
Had singapore not grown to be a dragon, and Deng didn't come to see in the early 80s, singapore is still not in the map of china.
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1. It's true that all Singaporeans are anti-foreigners. But all Singaporeans are capable of putting up a warm pretense to welcome foreigners. And how they expresses their displeasure comes in different forms, most of it are hardly noticeable, for example like how you have expressed in your post.
2. Singapore does not belongs to Singaporeans. We are all immigrants once and we all comes from different countries. The only Singaporean is probably the lion that Sang Nila Utama saw when he landed in this Island.
3. SPG is a sexist term founded by stupid sillyporeans guys for Singaporean girls. What should Singaporean girls call those Singaporean guys who married those mail-ordered whores from overseas? Losers perhaps? or Cheap fuckers? Then again, each individual have their own freedom to mix and befriend whoever they wish and should be able to do so without any form of discrimination against them.
4. You do not know that the Government actually have little or no control over how companies have chosen to operate in Singapore. They can only lay out guidelines but they are unable to enforce anything onto the companies in Singapore.
5. The Government have a plan for Singaporeans. Just because Singaporeans are unable to take hardships and have the foresight to see what the government had in store for the future of Singapore, doesn't necessarily means that the government is not doing a good job. Ultimately, only Singaporeans will stand to gain from the end-result from these government policies. I would like to see how many Singaporeans would actually praise the government when they are reaping the rewards in their future. I would say zero or none of the Singaporeans here would even bothered to put in a good word of thanks towards the government. Past and present situations have shown that Singaporeans are really just a greedy and ungrateful bunch. Ask yourself, how many Singaporeans you know that are actually grateful to the present government for what they have done for Singapore in the past? All blinded by senseless hatred and failed to notice the grand difference between Singapore and her neighbours and the rest of the world.
That's fine with me because the Singapore that I know is supporting these ungrateful bunch from falling all over into the oceans and really such Singaporeans truly deserves to be thrown into the oceans to be fed to the sharks without the basic courtesy of being thankful, grateful and appreciative for their own country.
Please learn to be grateful, thankful and appreciative Singaporeans. We all know that we are extremely talented in the complaints department, but when are we going to admit that we have failed badly in the rewards and recognition department? Probably never
1. You are already dishonest when you mention all singaporeans are anti foreigners.
at least our ministers embrace them. use your words carefully.
2. i cannot understand your logic singapore not belong to singaporeans? base on your assumption it seem you deduce, australia doesnt belong to australians, tibetans doesnt belong to china, american doesnt belong to americans. whenyou quote such sentence quote a timeline. if foreigners convert to singaporeans, i will consider them true singaporeans. our great grandparents are from china, once they decided to stay and migrated to singapore they are singaporeans. i am chinese singaporeans, not chinese from china.
3. go ahead and make a quote for men who married overseas gals. i dont mind, i can suggest for your cheongsam party men, do you like it?
4. once again your statement over govt has no control over how companies have chosen to operate in Singapore is vague. can you state clearly which form of regulations? operate KTV need special license you know? hehe.
5. once again i dont know what you are talking about. singaporeans love our PAP govt. that is why they vote for them in every election. why take criticism so badly? you can choose to look criticism into a positive way, that is one of the way, a govt can improve by listening to feedback, good or bad.
why not argue on the pt about foreign talent alone and not drag all singaporeans into the chapter. there is no 100% perfect citizens around the world. feel proud to be singaporeans if you are one. If you are not, tell us more what had to done for singapore, if you are not so happy, why stay here?
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For the people who tried to claim Singapore as their own, What have they done for your country other than full of complaints and expectations and trying to burn and destroy the very government that provides a peaceful and stable environment for them to grow up into useless impoverish bums?
If such people are not considered as rebels and disloyal citizens, then I already don't know what is considered as rebels and disloyal citizens because anything stronger behaviour would be considered as an act of terrorism.
once again, i dont understand above stated logic.
Do you ask your son, what have to done for the family to be my children? can the children choose the father? can singaporeans choose to be born singaporeans?
If your children are a disappointement, do you disown them? or would you choose to look at yourself, have you been a good father whether you had been caring to the kids needs? no matter what happends, once they are born to your kids, take good care of them, coz they are your flesh and blood.
the parents is the govt that run the country. the kids is the citizens.
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Originally posted by reyes:
once again, i dont understand above stated logic.
Do you ask your son, what have to done for the family to be my children? can the children choose the father? can singaporeans choose to be born singaporeans?
If your children are a disappointement, do you disown them? or would you choose to look at yourself, have you been a good father whether you had been caring to the kids needs? no matter what happends, once they are born to your kids, take good care of them, coz they are your flesh and blood.
the parents is the govt that run the country. the kids is the citizens.
huh? so i have to call LHL... ah kong and LKY... ah grand kong kong. That's absurd, how can you compare parents with govt??? Govt is voted by people, parents are your parents. And Govt go law by law, parents go by caring and understanding. People are mixing up politic and social relationship here. OMG
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Originally posted by reyes:
1. You are already dishonest when you mention all singaporeans are anti foreigners.
at least our ministers embrace them. use your words carefully.
2. i cannot understand your logic singapore not belong to singaporeans? base on your assumption it seem you deduce, australia doesnt belong to australians, tibetans doesnt belong to china, american doesnt belong to americans. whenyou quote such sentence quote a timeline. if foreigners convert to singaporeans, i will consider them true singaporeans. our great grandparents are from china, once they decided to stay and migrated to singapore they are singaporeans. i am chinese singaporeans, not chinese from china.
3. go ahead and make a quote for men who married overseas gals. i dont mind, i can suggest for your cheongsam party men, do you like it?
4. once again your statement over govt has no control over how companies have chosen to operate in Singapore is vague. can you state clearly which form of regulations? operate KTV need special license you know? hehe.
5. once again i dont know what you are talking about. singaporeans love our PAP govt. that is why they vote for them in every election. why take criticism so badly? you can choose to look criticism into a positive way, that is one of the way, a govt can improve by the pt about foreign talent alone and not drag all singaporeans into the chapter. there is no 100% perfect citizens around the world. feel proud to be singaporeans if you are one. If you are not, tell us more what had to done for singapore, if you are not so happy, why stay here?
1. Oh! You know our ministers very well. So when do you think we will have our NEXT ENTHNIC MALAY PRESIDENT? And why Singapore has such tough policy against asylum seekers or refugees? --- Since we are not anti-foreigners. (I can already imagine your excuses about not having enough room to contain them in Singapore and other non-related excuses to not embracing foreigners = Non-Singaporeans.)There are many others examples I could remind you of anti-foreigners, remember our political issues with Dr. Habibi of Indonesia and Dr. Mahathir. Building casinos and affecting the businesses in JB, do we also embrace these foreigners in good faith?
2. If Singaporeans truly accepted these foreigners who have changed their citizenship to Singapore citizens as true blue Singaporeans, then why is there a need to categorise them as new citizens and not Singaporeans. Clearly there is a difference in everyone's hearts.
How many non-Singaporeans friends do you have? How many of your friends are not born in Singapore provided you are born in Singapore? Do your maths and then come and tell me how you have embraced these foreigners and how you are not anti-foreigners.
4, 5. If you don't know what I am talking about and yet you still go and guess and assume based on your subjective and negative impression of me, I can only say you are dumb and stupid if you even try to have a baseless argument and expects me to correct you. I don't have time to babysit, educate or even accomodate your imaginery dispute.
Unlike you, I don't argue for the sake of arguing. Understand my posts before you make any ridiculous replies.
And it's not that I cannot help you, I just don't see the need to do so.
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Originally posted by reyes:
once again, i dont understand above stated logic.
Do you ask your son, what have to done for the family to be my children? can the children choose the father? can singaporeans choose to be born singaporeans?
If your children are a disappointement, do you disown them? or would you choose to look at yourself, have you been a good father whether you had been caring to the kids needs? no matter what happends, once they are born to your kids, take good care of them, coz they are your flesh and blood.
the parents is the govt that run the country. the kids is the citizens.
Yes, I also can see that this seems to be a problem when people tried to reply my posts without understanding.Back in schools, the teachers would not hestitate to fail their students for comprehension exams.
And it seems that you have failed to learn this from our education system.
That seems to be the real problem here.