Originally posted by angel7030:what is this? me bed with a guy and play samurai...oh my God! ninja at play. Too much anime porn, must be..yak!!!
Now, let me make it clear...first and foremost, sending foreigners here is not only to help us in our overheating economy, but also to curb our total wage so as to remain competitive, if you look at the west, their paid had risen to a stage where corporations have to think thrice before employing them. We must maintain our wages within a competitive basis so as to attract FDI. And it is because the in the begining of industrialisation, we depended too much on manufacturing that we end up having to relook into our economy after the 1997 recession, the govt then decided to fire at all front, from service to pharmacy to financial etc etc instead of just relying on manufacturing, and even if you want to maintain manufacturing, you need to manufacturing higher quality and technology products, not bata shoes or shampoo ya.
If you look at today STI and our economy quick upturn with an MTI forecast of 13 to 15% growth, do you think foreigners destroyed or helped us??
firstly- there is too much foreigners at too short a time, it is doing more hame than good, in a basic bio term if the foreigners were like white blood cells in our body and we are the red blood cells, for a normal human body it's ok since the whiteblood cells keep off infection and sickness by attacking bacteria. however presently the pace is more to like lukemia, where there is more whiteblood cells than redblood cells till the point that is also attacking the redblod cells too, causing the red result of cancer and death, isomia(unable to sleep) is also caused by a slight increase of whiteblood cells
over red blood cells. factor that into a country scale- it is doing us more harm than good at this rate of speed -period-
secondly- samurai FYI is a japanese word for warrior, "samura" is a MALAY word for again, OMG how can you call yourself a singaporean or singapore supporter if you duno that? surely you must have singaporean frens or clients who did their NS who told you abt it right?? or am i wrong?? how can you mix japanese with malay unless well you totally know nuts abt malay?? being in singapore, the malay language is in some areas needed to understand others, especially where our neighbouring countries around us is speaking in almost the same language.
lastly-as a prenakan, aka straits born chinese, the same culture race as LHL and LKY, i do not for one approve the way that they are doing things now as it is making it more worst than for the better, the problems created by foriengers here are pointing to endless and bigger, like a black hole.
the problem lies in that in a country like this size , the best role model is to either follow taiwan or japan where innovation is the key to survive, if you say the govt has fired in all cylinders, then may i ask why not space?? sure, the US have NASA, china already has sent a man to space, russia also done it, if those countries can , why not singapore, in this area, size is not really the issue, technology is, given on what singapore is capable of, this area is a vast potential for singapore to develop right??
Originally posted by Annilator47:firstly- there is too much foreigners at too short a time, it is doing more hame than good, in a basic bio term if the foreigners were like white blood cells in our body and we are the red blood cells, for a normal human body it's ok since the whiteblood cells keep off infection and sickness by attacking bacteria. however presently the pace is more to like lukemia, where there is more whiteblood cells than redblood cells till the point that is also attacking the redblod cells too, causing the red result of cancer and death, isomia(unable to sleep) is also caused by a slight increase of whiteblood cells
over red blood cells. factor that into a country scale- it is doing us more harm than good at this rate of speed -period-secondly- samurai FYI is a japanese word for warrior, "samura" is a MALAY word for again, OMG how can you call yourself a singaporean or singapore supporter if you duno that? surely you must have singaporean frens or clients who did their NS who told you abt it right?? or am i wrong?? how can you mix japanese with malay unless well you totally know nuts abt malay?? being in singapore, the malay language is in some areas needed to understand others, especially where our neighbouring countries around us is speaking in almost the same language.
lastly-as a prenakan, aka straits born chinese, the same culture race as LHL and LKY, i do not for one approve the way that they are doing things now as it is making it more worst than for the better, the problems created by foriengers here are pointing to endless and bigger, like a black hole.
the problem lies in that in a country like this size , the best role model is to either follow taiwan or japan where innovation is the key to survive, if you say the govt has fired in all cylinders, then may i ask why not space?? sure, the US have NASA, china already has sent a man to space, russia also done it, if those countries can , why not singapore, in this area, size is not really the issue, technology is, given on what singapore is capable of, this area is a vast potential for singapore to develop right??
Ah Che ah!!! u got siao bo...why talk about blood cells, you are discriminating people ya, so you think you and singaporeans are clean and free of germ whereby other are all sick...really look down on people.
Why go to space when you cannot even run, you go ask the russian, they will tell you how much is wasted on space programmes, look, we are a fragile country, people can space whatever they like, we just stay put and make sure we make enuf for the day and future. And try to care less about people races, dun be a racist ya.
I think it is much better to study about how to make our pubs business in singapore more vibrant than to study what space programmes and start getting stupid fake chinese professors
Originally posted by angel7030:
Ah Che ah!!! u got siao bo...why talk about blood cells, you are discriminating people ya, so you think you and singaporeans are clean and free of germ whereby other are all sick...really look down on people.Why go to space when you cannot even run, you go ask the russian, they will tell you how much is wasted on space programmes, look, we are a fragile country, people can space whatever they like, we just stay put and make sure we make enuf for the day and future. And try to care less about people races, dun be a racist ya.
I think it is much better to study about how to make our pubs business in singapore more vibrant than to study what space programmes and start getting stupid fake chinese professors
it is unfortunate that you think i am discrimating, when i have stated clearly in a detail explination that TOO MUCH FORIEGNERS is NO GOOD for the country, especially in this RAMPED UP SPEED , or do you need this to be shot and sunk in your miniscule mind?
pubs like any other business is all landbased, if you say russia wasted a lot of money, why did you not include the US and EU?? morever, space does not mean exploration, it could be a venture to other business like debris collection floating out there, that kind of service could also be considered, why must it be purely scientific alone when other areas could be applied for it?
btw why have you kept quiet on the malay word?? cat got your tounge?
Haii.....Government is focusing on the economy, but do they really think about the impact of having so many FT at one go. Yes, we need them, but do we really need so many of them. Nowadays i simply can't understand what my colleagues are talking about, because they prefer to converse in their own language. I feel like i the FT instead. 1 local with many foreign colleagues.
Originally posted by Annilator47:it is unfortunate that you think i am discrimating, when i have stated clearly in a detail explination that TOO MUCH FORIEGNERS is NO GOOD for the country, especially in this RAMPED UP SPEED , or do you need this to be shot and sunk in your miniscule mind?
pubs like any other business is all landbased, if you say russia wasted a lot of money, why did you not include the US and EU?? morever, space does not mean exploration, it could be a venture to other business like debris collection floating out there, that kind of service could also be considered, why must it be purely scientific alone when other areas could be applied for it?
btw why have you kept quiet on the malay word?? cat got your tounge?
Hello ah chek ah!
Certainly within the context of you and my posting, there will be alots of misunderstanding, you dun understand me and i dun understand you, and that makes the world goes round, but does not mean you have the right to call people names and insult people ya. Even a couple married for 40 years also dun understand each other, not to mention both of us just posting.
Do i need to pass malay inorder to get into a University here?
Originally posted by -@_@-:Haii.....Government is focusing on the economy, but do they really think about the impact of having so many FT at one go. Yes, we need them, but do we really need so many of them. Nowadays i simply can't understand what my colleagues are talking about, because they prefer to converse in their own language. I feel like i the FT instead. 1 local with many foreign colleagues.
I feel like you too. I understand the need to have the FTs; but I hate the way they converse in their own language. Or stay in their own social circles exclusively.
Originally posted by Annilator47:btw why have you kept quiet on the malay word?? cat got your tounge?
It's "semula", not "samura". Not that you got it right either.
well...it's a multi racial country...but now we dont call it multi racial...it should be called multi SEA-racial country. Coz we have almost every race in south east asia coming here.
And yes. I agree. taking NEL from dohby is like so "dark".
our govt created preferential employment pass for European and American. They only need 1 sponorship upon entering Singapore. Once they are here they can switch jobs and move about companies freely without further sponsorship. Also they can be here for as long as 5 yrs. before renewal.
I just dun understand singaporeans, why not take advantages instead of grumbling and grumbling about influx of migrants here, all these new intakes need houses to stay, they also need food, need places to go for relaxation and transport. So instead of grumbling, make money out of them, open food stalls cater for them, sell vege or foods suitable for them, drive part time cab on weekend to earn their money, buy and rent houses/rooms to them and make money. As employers can employ them at cheaper rate and trap them under contract of services. Just like pubs here, so many viet and china gal, so I joint venture with another lady and bought an empty space and open up a steamboat house to cater for them to eat here.
I urge Singaporean to take advantages of the changing environment instead of sitting in the toilet and waiting for the sun to go down ya
Originally posted by angel7030:I just dun understand singaporeans, why not take advantages instead of grumbling and grumbling about influx of migrants here, all these new intakes need houses to stay, they also need food, need places to go for relaxation and transport. So instead of grumbling, make money out of them, open food stalls cater for them, sell vege or foods suitable for them, drive part time cab on weekend to earn their money, buy and rent houses/rooms to them and make money. As employers can employ them at cheaper rate and trap them under contract of services. Just like pubs here, so many viet and china gal, so I joint venture with another lady and bought an empty space and open up a steamboat house to cater for them to eat here.
I urge Singaporean to take advantages of the changing environment instead of sitting in the toilet and waiting for the sun to go down ya
I mentioned this before.
No one answered I think.
Originally posted by eagle:I mentioned this before.
No one answered I think.
How to answer, most of them are dumb already. Just look at the stock market, the govt already tell you the economy is overheating and the outcome is a more than expected GDP, indirectly, it is telling you to invest and wait for december to sell, people just dun get it.
once upon a time there was a monkey who tried offering a porcupine a banana and the porcupine who in turn offered monkey with ants....
the functions and mechanism for each job and person is not the same as everyone although they serve to fill up the tummy.
what a snake eats n thinks its different from how an eagle eats n thinks....one may feel its disgusting or unnatural while the other may not feel a thing.
Everyone is different in thoughts ....however to clobber n force another would only make one become a rapist of sort!
Originally posted by angel7030:I just dun understand singaporeans, why not take advantages instead of grumbling and grumbling about influx of migrants here, all these new intakes need houses to stay, they also need food, need places to go for relaxation and transport. So instead of grumbling, make money out of them, open food stalls cater for them, sell vege or foods suitable for them, drive part time cab on weekend to earn their money, buy and rent houses/rooms to them and make money. As employers can employ them at cheaper rate and trap them under contract of services. Just like pubs here, so many viet and china gal, so I joint venture with another lady and bought an empty space and open up a steamboat house to cater for them to eat here.
I urge Singaporean to take advantages of the changing environment instead of sitting in the toilet and waiting for the sun to go down ya
Hard lar for the avg Singaporean. I outline a few pts that come to mind... lemme noe if u want me to elaborate.
1) Bulk of them come over in hopes of better job.... they compete by offering more value usually at a cheaper rate so ppl hire them.
2) If they are working for a cheaper rate, usually means they are paid less. Their disposable income are low. Therefore they swarm towards value for $ stuff.... i.e. cheap buffets. They also rent HDB but 6-7 cram into one. As a landlord .... renting to them be prepared to incur high depreciation and renovation if you ever want to sell lol. Alot of them also save the money up and stinge so they can bring the money back to their country whereby they get more value. That's the main driving force for this type of FT.
3) Then we have the 2nd type of FT the rich.... they come and once they get the PR = Licence to buy property. Land is scarce and prices in the long term can only go up. So land bank lor.... buy and buy so prices go high. Which is fine for the rich local Sg since they make.... but what about the Sg that only have 1 HDB? Sell and downsize? Then their kids leh? Buy jacked-up priced HDB?
All is not lost.... there is a way to make $ from FT.... and that is to hire them. They are cheaper, better & faster anyway.
That problem is occurring in Aus as well to a smaller extent. The current prime minister is cutting down on immigration. Sg is cutting down as well.... but imo the govt is doing it unwillingly. Their wages are tagged to the performance of the economy.
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I went to a company for job interview. The interviewer carried a stack of job applications about 1" thick. She told me that out of this stack of documents, only 2 are Singaporeans. One of which is me. Rest are foreigners who come here on social pass to try to apply for jobs.
I was offered a job by which the renumeration is on par with the foreigners. I was told that govt set a quota that they can either employ Singaporeans/ PR. If I am not prepared to take it, the PR will and send for their entire family clan here.
Many companies said that Singaporeans have only themselves to blame if we are not ready to work like an ox and be fed with peanuts.
Originally posted by B Ming:I went to a company for job interview. The interviewer carried a stack of job applications about 1" thick. She told me that out of this stack of documents, only 2 are Singaporeans. One of which is me. Rest are foreigners who come here on social pass to try to apply for jobs.
I was offered a job by which the renumeration is on par with the foreigners. I was told that govt set a quota that they can either employ Singaporeans/ PR. If I am not prepared to take it, the PR will and send for their entire family clan here.
Many companies said that Singaporeans have only themselves to blame if we are not ready to work like an ox and be fed with peanuts.
have you ever thought that maybe you got con? into negociation for lower pay?
everywhere is foreigners.
You go petrol kiosk pump petrol, the pump attendants, cashier all foreigners.
You go 7-11 buy a can of drink, most cashier i seen all foreigners.
I go airport for check-in, i almost forget i am in singapore not shanghai, guangzhou, shenzhen as the check in staff i encounter is mostly china nationals.
in my office tower, i am so shock there are so many china nationals working in the samebuilding i wonder which company they are from. coz in my office, there are only 1 expats out of a workers of 11. geez..
the MOM, immigration fail to tackle the scam behind the foreigners influx into singapore. Do you guys know, the owners of company or shops get kickbacks for every foreigners they employed, i heard every foreigners they employ they get up to $1000 cash. i think the MOM or SIR know shit about it.
Originally posted by reyes:everywhere is foreigners.
You go petrol kiosk pump petrol, the pump attendants, cashier all foreigners.
You go 7-11 buy a can of drink, most cashier i seen all foreigners.
I go airport for check-in, i almost forget i am in singapore not shanghai, guangzhou, shenzhen as the check in staff i encounter is mostly china nationals.
in my office tower, i am so shock there are so many china nationals working in the samebuilding i wonder which company they are from. coz in my office, there are only 1 expats out of a workers of 11. geez..
the MOM, immigration fail to tackle the scam behind the foreigners influx into singapore. Do you guys know, the owners of company or shops get kickbacks for every foreigners they employed, i heard every foreigners they employ they get up to $1000 cash. i think the MOM or SIR know shit about it.
i only know of construction workers that are highly being exploited because of quota and levies as such sub contractor pay commission to main contractor for getting labors. in returned sub con deduct pay from workers. Its a shady area.
companies that are labor intensive will take advantage of the I2E cheaper, faster, and better policy. encourage labor to take a lower salary.
At a professional level our MOM has very liberal catergorize the Term "Professional" it varies from countries.
I believe government has certain quota from varies countries once that numbers are met than the entry process will be stricter.
it not only happen in workplace, but school, poly, local u, housing
Originally posted by Disman:it not only happen in workplace, but school, poly, local u, housing
thats is the demand created by increase in Foreign Talent.
My Singaporean friend told me that 2 of her fellow country frens are in the same predicament when looking for jobs. I also encounter other Singaporeans who are also left to do temp jobs while our "FT" take over our perm jobs and they are even employed in government sectors.
Singaporean bosses or PAP do not see our ground level plight since they are not affected. If "FT' cant take it, why can't us? they commented, without thinking that "FT" will retire early in their own countries once they earn enough stronger currencies to send home while Singaporeans have to work till we die. SMM just mentioned that there should be no retirement age for us.
Originally posted by B Ming:I went to a company for job interview. The interviewer carried a stack of job applications about 1" thick. She told me that out of this stack of documents, only 2 are Singaporeans. One of which is me. Rest are foreigners who come here on social pass to try to apply for jobs.
I was offered a job by which the renumeration is on par with the foreigners. I was told that govt set a quota that they can either employ Singaporeans/ PR. If I am not prepared to take it, the PR will and send for their entire family clan here.
Many companies said that Singaporeans have only themselves to blame if we are not ready to work like an ox and be fed with peanuts.
I can relate to you. My boss showed me a whole stack of resumes, if there were 50 resumes, only 7 were singaporeans, majority were myanmar nationals, all holding degrees, double degrees, or masters from the same university of mandalay.
One day i was filtering my HR's email folder for job applications, and I saw the resumes sent in, all the same story. How I got access to their email accounts? I'm the one who set up the network.
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Yes we are being overwelmed by FT and singapore will be in danger of economy collapase when something bad broke out, just like the Saudi Arabia. But unlike them, we dont have natural resources to back us up.
They are becoming tumor cells already.