Originally posted by Catknight:Some people said viet culture is very different from sg ones neh...though we use chopsticks ...go to saigon streets and feel the noise pollution and price haggling
The culture there is slowly evolving due to pop culture.
They use chopsticks alot. Their French loaf is uncomparable to Singapore's. So are their food and coffee. I believe obesity there is very low too. Oh and theres the occasional shirtless men on the street side every once in a while.
Their nurses are definitely more chio LOL. And their girls go to military school unlike our princesses here.
You can still feel their bit of communism though its getting much much better. The malls there are also comparable to Singapore really. Even the pricing of clothes and branded goods are the same as ours.
A Vietnamese man has been sentenced to 22 months in prison and 15 lashes for harassing debtors in Singapore, according to the Singaporean General Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City.
Mai Thanh Tai, 22, was convicted of having violated the Moneylenders Act of Singapore at a hearing on June 28, a press release issued Friday by the consulate said.
Singapore Police Force said Tai entered the country on May 26 as a tourist. He was arrested on June 2 in front of an apartment on Clementi Avenue 1 carrying paints, paint brushes and records of debts.
Investigations later showed that Tai had harassed debtors in different areas at least six times. He had been hired by a friend in Vietnam and paid 30 SGD (US$21.53) per harassment, according to the press release.
Originally posted by Deino:LOL...what sort of question is that?
What the fuck does my vote got to do with you? Can you read English?
Just becoz of one person you blame a whole nation. WOW..Genius. Really you deserve a nobel peace prize.
I think she is right. I think anyone with an open mind would say she is right. We are a 3rd world country in reality. Why can't you just take criticisms and use it as an advantage? You think Singapore is so high and mighty?
Really, it doesn't matter whether she is a refugee, a beggar or a nobel prize winner.
Rankings in society means nothing for people who take initiative to learn. Your blindness to prejudice will never let you learn anything.
If every single Singaporean had that kind of attitude, Singapore would be doomed and more foreigners will come in to replace our jobs. Unlike most people here, they do not complain as much. For that reason we really need to go beyond what we are thought.
If you think mine is seditious, why don't you take a look at Temasek Review's article on the recent Burmese Water Festival at Bukit Batok.
Are they seditious too?
Why you want to act so differently from the rest of Singaporeans against the foreigners? Who the fuck you think you are?
They have already infiltrated Singapore wad....... We are feeding, training and empowering the Dragon.......When it's ready to spread is wings and bear its fangs, we'll all be its dinner.............!
Originally posted by dare82:If you think mine is seditious, why don't you take a look at Temasek Review's article on the recent Burmese Water Festival at Bukit Batok.
Are they seditious too?
Why you want to act so differently from the rest of Singaporeans against the foreigners? Who the fuck you think you are?
Hah. You call yourself a Singaporean? If all Singaporeans were really as arrogant as you are Singapore would be in deep fuck. I am who I fucking am. I believe in human rights and I bloody hate prejudice and racism.
Really, I don't think its seditious at all.
Originally posted by Deino:Hah. You call yourself a Singaporean? If all Singaporeans were really as arrogant as you are Singapore would be in deep fuck. I am who I fucking am. I believe in human rights and I bloody hate prejudice and racism.
Really, I don't think its seditious at all.
my goodness, talk about Saigon only, people start to have heat arguement here already...When i was in Saigon, there is lots of pick pocket, and early morning, many people exercise...very funny...and their coffee got so much sugar and condense milk in it,...my goodness, how to drink...sure get diabetic
Originally posted by Deino:Hah. You call yourself a Singaporean? If all Singaporeans were really as arrogant as you are Singapore would be in deep fuck. I am who I fucking am. I believe in human rights and I bloody hate prejudice and racism.
Really, I don't think its seditious at all.
Gee...
It seems you are targetting an individual to find a scapegoat so you can get promoted or something.
I think you will be the very first backstabber in a corporate office!
You are doing this for your personal pride leh...
Originally posted by Eaten Alive:
Gee...It seems you are targetting an individual to find a scapegoat so you can get promoted or something.
I think you will be the very first backstabber in a corporate office!
You are doing this for your personal pride leh...
wth? -_-"
You came here just to post this one post?
For your info, i do not work in an office and i do hate people who likes finding other's faults just to get promoted.
I've never thought anyone would think of me like that.
And wth is wrong with being anti-prejudice?
The hell is wrong with you man? When people believe in the right things you think they got some agenda. You must really lack compassion.
I think the place you work at sure got alot of office politics..I don't believe in such bullshit coz I've seen loads of that kinda thing in the other departments where I work at..
I think you'd make the worst profiler ever..Not everyone works in an office..
Originally posted by Deino:wth? -_-"
You came here just to post this one post?
For your info, i do not work in an office and i do hate people who likes finding other's faults just to get promoted.
I've never thought anyone would think of me like that.
And wth is wrong with being anti-prejudice?
The hell is wrong with you man? When people believe in the right things you think they got some agenda. You must really lack compassion.
I think the place you work at sure got alot of office politics..I don't believe in such bullshit coz I've seen loads of that kinda thing in the other departments where I work at..
I think you'd make the worst profiler ever..Not everyone works in an office..
The way you act reminds me of a young schoolgirl who told a poor man off "Get out of my elite uncaring face".
Originally posted by Deino:wth? -_-"
You came here just to post this one post?
For your info, i do not work in an office and i do hate people who likes finding other's faults just to get promoted.
I've never thought anyone would think of me like that.
And wth is wrong with being anti-prejudice?
The hell is wrong with you man? When people believe in the right things you think they got some agenda. You must really lack compassion.
I think the place you work at sure got alot of office politics..I don't believe in such bullshit coz I've seen loads of that kinda thing in the other departments where I work at..
I think you'd make the worst profiler ever..Not everyone works in an office..
You sounded like a young schoolgirl telling an old adult off "Get off my elite uncaring face".
Let's face it, our locals still are uncomfortable with foreigners.
Do you want the rest of the netizens here to attack you here about your arrogant attitudes?
TEMASEK REVIEW
A 30 year old Vietnamese engineer and Singapore permanent resident Pham Thai Ha has been accued of molesting a Singapore doctor in June last year.
According to the Straits Times, Pham was accused of trying to kiss the doctor and using criminal force on her.
The doctor testified that Pham had gone to see her for a rash on his finger. He was told to remove his trousers for examination when he complained of a similar rash on his buttocks as well.
Pham had an erection during the examination and tried to pull the doctor towards him. After dressing up, he placed his hands on the doctor’s shoulder and said he liked her very much.
This is not the first time that a foreigner is being accused of molest
In June 2009, a 20 year old Cambodian student Chhuon Ratana was jailed three months for molesting two women at a club. When confronted by the club bouncers, he retorted:
“So what? I am a foreigner.”
PAP leaders have been reassuring Singaporeans that foreign workers are brought in only to take up jobs shunned by Singaporeans.
Is there a shortage of Singapore engineers that we have to recruit them from Vietnam and elsewhere?
PAP leader strongman Lee Kuan Yew said recently that the PAP will continue to give “priority” to Singaporeans:
“We have moderated the inflow of foreign workers and new immigrants, and also widened the differentiation between citizens and non-citizens. However, Singapore – with its low birth rates – needs to attract immigrants to augment our population,” he said.
He added that the PAP will only recruit foreigners who are educated, professional and skilled to complement the existing workforce.
Perhaps Pham was brought into Singapore for his other “skills” to boost Singapore’s flagging birth rates rather than his professional skills as an engineer.
Future generations will pay for the sins of PAP
SGPOLITICS.NET
Written by Ng E-Jay
06 July 2010
I wish I could come up with a more optimistic pronouncement. But this is the most honest assessment I can make: Future generations of Singaporeans will have to pay for the sins of the PAP if something is not done about the present situation.
Let me state quite frankly that I do not deny that Singapore has made huge economic progress over the decades under the PAP’s watch. As some of my friends would point out, however, much of the growth could have come about not because of, but in spite of, PAP’s policies.
Singapore is situated in a very favourable geographical location, and even though advancements in transportation technology over the decades have eroded our geographical advantage slightly, it cannot be denied that our prime location at the southern tip of the Malaysian peninsula has afforded us enormous leverage as far as trade is concerned.
When the PAP came into power in 1959, Singapore was already a bustling metropolis, not a sleepy fishing village like National Education textbooks like to put it.
When we achieved complete independence and sovereignty in 1965, the foundations for our future economic success had already been laid. Investments were already pouring in and our industries were already being rapidly developed, despite the racial turmoil and the communist threat that existed at that time. All this was happening at a time when the then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew was occupied in a power struggle with the Tunku.
I do not know whether the PAP made things significantly better after 1965, but I do know the PAP managed to make things significantly worse at some point in its reign.
The PAP’s first major policy blunder was its “Stop At 2″ policy which it introduced in 1969 in an attempt to curb Singapore’s rapidly expanding population, which was then seen as a serious threat to Singapore’s long term growth potential. Sterilization policies were progressively liberalized from 1969 to 1974. By 1977, 21 per cent of women of child-bearing age in Singapore had been sterilized. [1]
The PAP’s error in this policy was in going overboard with it. The repercussions would later come back to haunt future generations of Singaporeans.
The pro-eugenics policies of the PAP culminated in the Graduate Mother Scheme which was implemented in 1984. Graduate couples were provided with considerable financial incentives to have more children, the rationale being that children from graduate couples were more likely to be intelligent and would grow up to be more economically productive. However the scheme was scrapped after a few years when the horribly discriminatory implications of the policy gradually dawned on the electorate.
By then, of course, the damage had been done.
All developed economies eventually enter a phase when their birth rates start to decline due to evolving social attitudes and a higher standard of living.
In Singapore’s case however, the policies of the PAP greatly accelerated the process and made the inevitable come much sooner than would have been the case had the PAP not gone overboard.
A decade after the demise of the Graduate Mother Scheme, Singapore’s Total Fertility Rate had plunged to a mere 1.3, far below the replacement level of 2.1 that demographers insist is needed for a population to sustain itself.
This prompted the PAP Government to open the floodgates to foreigners to shore up our population base. Of course, a sustainable population base was not the only reason given by the PAP for doing so. The PAP told the electorate that foreigners were needed because they brought skills and expertise that Singaporeans lack, and their numbers were needed for continued economic growth. For every job which went to them, we were told, more jobs would be created for us citizens.
In more recent times, the electorate was told that Singapore would go the way of the dodo if foreigners were not imported in large numbers, and that Singaporeans should accept this because we are less hard-driving and hard-striving than foreigners. [2]
However, because PAP’s policies have led to an indiscriminate and uncontrolled import of foreigners, some of whom do not seem to bring in new expertise or skill sets over and above what we already have, wages at the lower end of the spectrum have been suppressed, bringing hardship to the lower income. This indirectly leads to suppression of aggregate demand from one segment of the population, which in turn depresses overall economic activity.
It should be noted that unlike countries like Hong Kong and Taiwan, Singapore did not quite have a roaring comeback after the previous two recessions. Perhaps part of the reason lies therein.
The rapid import of foreigners has also created strain on the fabric of our society, with more than a few openly voicing their concern whether the newcomers will make a serious effort at integrating into our society and embracing local social norms.
The larger malaise confronting us, however, is not just the rapid influx of foreigners, which the government has realized only this year must be more tightly controlled.
The economy is being systematically hollowed out, milked for what it is worth. The economic path we have embarked on is unsustainable. Our future growth potential is rapidly being drawn down in a misguided attempt at boosting our GDP figures and justifying ever increasing public sector and Ministerial salaries.
How is the economy being hollowed out?
Singapore will probably see several years more of good growth and perhaps even rising incomes in the middle and upper classes.
But the distortions in the economy created by PAP’s policies will also lead to periodic asset bubbles, especially in housing. Asset bubbles are very bad for a country, and even worse for a small country like Singapore.
Not only do asset bubbles lead to mis-allocation of capital, when they inevitably come crashing down, many people get hurt badly in the process.
We see this each and every time the property market here takes off and goes to the stratosphere, only to come down to reality several years later, leaving in its wake hordes of homeless citizens who have been chased out of their flats because they are unable to service their mortgages.
After the PAP has milked the Singapore system for what it is worth, I fear that future generations of Singaporeans will be faced with a hollowed out economy and slow growth rates that will not match their expectations. I fear that many people, especially those just embarking on their careers, will not be able to afford to retire peacefully when they grow old. They will be faced with an overcrowded city, lack of job opportunities, rising inflation, and poor economic prospects.
I am very tempted to try to alter my prognosis so that it does not sound so pessimistic. But to do so would not be honest. In my sincere assessment, if Singapore citizens do not stand up and take charge of the situation now, future generations will have to pay a heavy price for the sins of the PAP.
Originally posted by dare82:You sounded like a young schoolgirl telling an old adult off "Get off my elite uncaring face".
Let's face it, our locals still are uncomfortable with foreigners.
Do you want the rest of the netizens here to attack you here about your arrogant attitudes?
LOL..
Pot calling the kettle black.
Locals are definitely uncomfortable with foreigners that I have to agree with. Coz so am I.
But it doesn't bloody mean we have the right to be racist. What sort of society would that be?
Which part about being anti-racist is arrogant?
According to Merriam-Webster, arrogant means: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner.
Now which part of not supporting your racist attitudes makes me arrogant?
If you wanna blame someone for stealing your job or wotever shit, blame the bloody PayAndPay and don't vote for them in the next GE coz I won't either. Both ways though they'ed still win coz all the FT citizens sure vote for them also.
Originally posted by Deino:LOL..
Pot calling the kettle black.
Locals are definitely uncomfortable with foreigners that I have to agree with. Coz so am I.
But it doesn't bloody mean we have the right to be racist. What sort of society would that be?
Which part about being anti-racist is arrogant?
According to Merriam-Webster, arrogant means: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner.
Now which part of not supporting your racist attitudes makes me arrogant?
If you wanna blame someone for stealing your job or wotever shit, blame the bloody PayAndPay and don't vote for them in the next GE coz I won't either. Both ways though they'ed still win coz all the FT citizens sure vote for them also.
Not all foreigners, whether they are expats or refugees are fucktub.
I know of many who still try to take the yard when they are given an inch.
But I also know of many who pity the locals going through hardships because they also went through hardships to seek refuge in Singapore too.
Those foreigners who wanna use Singapore as a transit point to migrate to other countries in future, I shall fuck them go and die!
I am on the side of the poor local workers and elderly suffering some mistreatments from local employers and citizens. I know Singapore has reasons not to be a welfare state. No union strikes for 4 decades already, or going to 5.
But does that mean that the local employers can turn nasty and suka suka fire people and make people redundant increasingly.
If they do, I shall FUCK them. And I am on the workers' side for this.
Workers are as humans as bosses. They are no angels or gods. They do make mistakes. What is important is the attitude and willingness to learn and change.
Some foreigners may be welcome if they help Singaporeans go through hardships and care for them. But still, since National Day is coming, they should not cultivate their traditions and make it such a way it become Singaporean identity. Just like not making the Burmese water festival part of Singaporean identity in future.
How will the tourists look at us? How will the foreigners in the foreign countries we visit look at us?
We will be desecrating our own identity. Such identity of Singapore should be nationalistic and must be based on whatever heritage set out for us. Not whatever immigrants are here increasingly. So I am against having traditions based on new races being made into Singaporean identity. LIkewise for other traditions by the Filipinos and Vietnamese as well. No such thing as bamboo pole dance or water puppetry being made Singaporean like Malay dikir barat, Indian firewalking, Chinese lion dance, Christmas celebrations, etc. traditions of Singapore.
Originally posted by dare82:Not all foreigners, whether they are expats or refugees are fucktub.
I know of many who still try to take the yard when they are given an inch.
But I also know of many who pity the locals going through hardships because they also went through hardships to seek refuge in Singapore too.
Those foreigners who wanna use Singapore as a transit point to migrate to other countries in future, I shall fuck them go and die!
I am on the side of the poor local workers and elderly suffering some mistreatments from local employers and citizens. I know Singapore has reasons not to be a welfare state. No union strikes for 4 decades already, or going to 5.
But does that mean that the local employers can turn nasty and suka suka fire people and make people redundant increasingly.
If they do, I shall FUCK them. And I am on the workers' side for this.
Workers are as humans as bosses. They are no angels or gods. They do make mistakes. What is important is the attitude and willingness to learn and change.
Some foreigners may be welcome if they help Singaporeans go through hardships and care for them. But still, since National Day is coming, they should not cultivate their traditions and make it such a way it become Singaporean identity. Just like not making the Burmese water festival part of Singaporean identity in future.
How will the tourists look at us? How will the foreigners in the foreign countries we visit look at us?
We will be desecrating our own identity. Such identity of Singapore should be nationalistic and must be based on whatever heritage set out for us. Not whatever immigrants are here increasingly. So I am against having traditions based on new races being made into Singaporean identity. LIkewise for other traditions by the Filipinos and Vietnamese as well. No such thing as bamboo pole dance or water puppetry being made Singaporean like Malay dikir barat, Indian firewalking, Chinese lion dance, Christmas celebrations, etc. traditions of Singapore.
This I definitely agree with.
The only thing thats gonna be hard is keeping our local traditions alive in the future since the PAP is bringing more and more people in without thinking of proper integration. I dun mind them sharing their traditions but they should also learn and take part in ours. I think schools should encourage traditional CCAs for foreigners so that they might integrate more easily.
They are planning to increase the population but nothing is done to help increase birth rate. I don't mind other races coming in really but their unfriendly policies aren't helping us with our birth rate either. They still got the cheek to say they bring in more people becoz we can't produce more babies.