Foreigners & FT are in Singapore to earn money only
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
hmm this one likely for the long term. Tens of thousands new citizens now cannot make much of a difference.
Well, someone has to plan long term right? It is not difficult to convert to a citizen
Conversion to PR is fast. Then within another 2 or 3 years, they can convert to citizenship.
Within a 5 year cycle, they can easily bring 'create' tens of thousands of new citizens.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
Singapore's system is very hierachical. In the civil service, your cert determines your path for life (that is if u stay civil service all ur life).
If u ITE guy, more or less condemned to lower rungs of society. Likewise the poly chaps are always second fiddle to uni grads unless u do professions like sales. Even the uni grads are facing salary stagnation with all the foreign "talents".
Fucked already
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Better make your dough elsewhere like the many of us here. Just go
to the Sgporeans overseas forums, we are all over the world. From
US to Asia to Europe.There's a sizeable population of Singaporeans in my part of USA. Some of those I know are division chiefs, CIOs, top consultants etc, people who hold high positions in USA. I fly the Singapore flag high in my organization. People in my organization have a good impression of the Singaporeans they encounter.
That's why I hate it when the Govt keep telling me that my fellow countrymen are stupid, and so need more foreign labor. And I especially hate it when Singaporeans, brainwashed by the Govt (like the dinosaur here that keeps singing his agreement of the govt policies), actually believe it, and propagate such untruths to others.
PS: I have never heard of another country that continuously de-moralizes, and demeans its own people. In other countries, making such comments would have resulted in the politicians getting kicked out in the next elections. Only in Singapore do we have such a strange situation...
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I am going to also add in one comment about the dumb dinosaur here.
There are people who go overseas, and find themselves unable to adapt, and end up having to go back with their tail between their legs. And then, there are those who go on holidays in other countries, and then believe they have seen it all to make immature comments about those who work and live overseas.
sgdiehard is one of these people. The way he speaks ill of people who made it good overseas just smells of sour grapes all over.
If you want to talk about someone who wants to go back to Singapore after making it big overseas, look no further than forumer Lionoasis, who has spent more than 10 years overseas in many countries, and has made it, and now intends to go back to Singapore as he feels Singapore ultimately is the place he wants to be in. I respect his views.
For me, I too have plans to go back to Singapore, once I have earned enough to retire. However, I wonder if Singapore will have lost its identity with the blatant influx of foreigners by then.
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singapore is overcrowded now. look at the land space singapore has, even with reclaimed land. with these foreigners coming to our shores, its becoming more congested. crimes from foreigners are becoming all too common now, such as prostitution, illegal peddling of contraband (go geylang and you will see foreigner selling cigarettes on the street), foreign beggars and fake foreign monks begging on our streets, not to mention petty thefts like stealing for example.
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hi guys
just a few observations and perspectives or consideration when discuss this topics.
1) First of all Singapore is not the center of the world so people who move to SG really don't have to conformed to Singapore way of lifestyles and thinking.
2) It is a natural evolutions that after 5 decades of peaceful co-exist in SG, we basically grew up in that enviornment and it helps to substain us as a population. Therefore, there is a tendency to maintain status quo.
3) it is also true that SG is a freaking small island. One of the world most crowded island per sq ft. where basic housing, jobs and food become an issued
4) Current movement of people is a global event not restricted to SG or within Asia.
5) It is true that not all foreigners who worked in SG will stayed in SG but some will stayed and become Singaporean.
6) it is also true that we elected the same political party for the last 45 years thru our own enclosure of minds. (subjective but They have become self serving. )
7) it is also true that Singaporean are also subjected to foreign competitions both individual and businesses from other nations. To block off these competition means to limit us having the abilities to compete.
8) It is also true that went you call a place home/ home country you expect certain degree of social security shared ideas. such as "home" "familar friends" believes systems and cultures... etc.
9) the World is over crowded.
Last and i think it is important.....
10) recognizing Change is the only constant..........so probably managed these changes are importance to Singapore social Contract.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
singapore is overcrowded now. look at the land space singapore has, even with reclaimed land. with these foreigners coming to our shores, its becoming more congested. crimes from foreigners are becoming all too common now, such as prostitution, illegal peddling of contraband (go geylang and you will see foreigner selling cigarettes on the street), foreign beggars and fake foreign monks begging on our streets, not to mention petty thefts like stealing for example.
ya, between, my gal frens who live in HDB said, even they change clothing, people opposite also can see, imaging the block to block is only a few meter away,...aiyo...no privacy at all. But I think after years of living like this kind of condition, the local would have had get used to it.
Study had shown that peoples living in close proxminty and crowded places tends to get high anxiety, hypertension and tempermental reaction to all things, that is why i see most Singaporeans are very stressed with lots of mental illness that most did not seek medical attention leading to high chances of old age neuron impairment, resulting in Azhemier and Dementia illness, and most went on undetected or simply refuse to admit that they have this illness in them. For the youngers, most get pre mature hypertension illness such as high blood, kidney problem, erectile dyfunction and workholic illnesses. Kind of make them very uneasy all the time and can explode at anytime...hokkien call it Sibei Pek Che kind of feeling.
In comparing to people who lives in more open and sparing places, they are more cool and enjoy life better, just like me. They will not take in comment and critics into heart, and will not seek revengeful or a must win situation, that alone calm the soul and therefore enable them to live happier and longer.
With this note, perhap, the locals can argue with their govt that health, be it mental or other chronical illness is a big problem if govt keep increasing the population here just for the sake of economy and social aspect. For example, if i will to pose a question to a minister if he/she said that we increase immigrant because of social population diminishing and aging and also for our economy at stake, i would had asked him/her, do you consider healthy living as a social aspect, do you know that living in close proximnity and crowded places is no good for health??
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Originally posted by angel7030:
ya, between, my gal frens who live in HDB said, even they change clothing, people opposite also can see, imaging the block to block is only a few meter away,...aiyo...no privacy at all. But I think after years of living like this kind of condition, the local would have had get used to it.
Study had shown that peoples living in close proxminty and crowded places tends to get high anxiety, hypertension and tempermental reaction to all things, that is why i see most Singaporeans are very stressed with lots of mental illness that most did not seek medical attention leading to high chances of old age neuron impairment, resulting in Azhemier and Dementia illness, and most went on undetected or simply refuse to admit that they have this illness in them. For the youngers, most get pre mature hypertension illness such as high blood, kidney problem, erectile dyfunction and workholic illnesses. Kind of make them very uneasy all the time and can explode at anytime...hokkien call it Sibei Pek Che kind of feeling.
In comparing to people who lives in more open and sparing places, they are more cool and enjoy life better, just like me. They will not take in comment and critics into heart, and will not seek revengeful or a must win situation, that alone calm the soul and therefore enable them to live happier and longer.
With this note, perhap, the locals can argue with their govt that health, be it mental or other chronical illness is a big problem if govt keep increasing the population here just for the sake of economy and social aspect. For example, if i will to pose a question to a minister if he/she said that we increase immigrant because of social population diminishing and aging and also for our economy at stake, i would had asked him/her, do you consider healthy living as a social aspect, do you know that living in close proximnity and crowded places is no good for health??
just what the shit are u talking about :)
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shit lah...
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
hi guys
just a few observations and perspectives or consideration when discuss this topics.
1) First of all Singapore is not the center of the world so people who move to SG really don't have to conformed to Singapore way of lifestyles and thinking.
2) It is a natural evolutions that after 5 decades of peaceful co-exist in SG, we basically grew up in that enviornment and it helps to substain us as a population. Therefore, there is a tendency to maintain status quo.
3) it is also true that SG is a freaking small island. One of the world most crowded island per sq ft. where basic housing, jobs and food become an issued
4) Current movement of people is a global event not restricted to SG or within Asia.
5) It is true that not all foreigners who worked in SG will stayed in SG but some will stayed and become Singaporean.
6) it is also true that we elected the same political party for the last 45 years thru our own enclosure of minds. (subjective but They have become self serving. )
7) it is also true that Singaporean are also subjected to foreign competitions both individual and businesses from other nations. To block off these competition means to limit us having the abilities to compete.
8) It is also true that went you call a place home/ home country you expect certain degree of social security shared ideas. such as "home" "familar friends" believes systems and cultures... etc.
9) the World is over crowded.
Last and i think it is important.....
10) recognizing Change is the only constant..........so probably managed these changes are importance to Singapore social Contract.
Bravo, very well said, recognizing the changes, the difference, need to manage....
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change? does it mean time to change the government as well?
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no, there are 2 types of changes, one is call restructuring, the other re- engineering
Let me give u example for better understanding,
U take a piece of paper, fold it into an aeroplane, then you unfold it and fold again to another shape of some kind of aeroplane, this is call restructuring, the paper still remain, but the shape had changed. The chinese said "change the soup but never change the ingredients". And this type of changes is what Singapore is having, you can see so much changes in Singapore, but the govt remain the same. This is called restructuring
Now, you take the piece of the same paper you folded, tear it into peices and throw it away, then you take a new piece of paper and start doing your folding again, this is called Re engineering, a complete change of everything. To change the govt is called a re engineering change.
Hope u understand.
Prof Angel
NUS
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Originally posted by angel7030:
no, there are 2 types of changes, one is call restructuring, the other re- engineering
Let me give u example for better understanding,
U take a piece of paper, fold it into an aeroplane, then you unfold it and fold again to another shape of some kind of aeroplane, this is call restructuring, the paper still remain, but the shape had changed. The chinese said "change the soup but never change the ingredients". And this type of changes is what Singapore is having, you can see so much changes in Singapore, but the govt remain the same. This is called restructuring
Now, you take the piece of the same paper you folded, tear it into peices and throw it away, then you take a new piece of paper and start doing your folding again, this is called Re engineering, a complete change of everything. To change the govt is called a re engineering change.
Hope u understand.
Prof Angel
NUS
Why you jump to answer? is not like PAP is your inlaw.....?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Why you jump to answer? is not like PAP is your inlaw.....?
PAP is not my in law, but by law -
Originally posted by angel7030:
no, there are 2 types of changes, one is call restructuring, the other re- engineering
Let me give u example for better understanding,
U take a piece of paper, fold it into an aeroplane, then you unfold it and fold again to another shape of some kind of aeroplane, this is call restructuring, the paper still remain, but the shape had changed. The chinese said "change the soup but never change the ingredients". And this type of changes is what Singapore is having, you can see so much changes in Singapore, but the govt remain the same. This is called restructuring
Now, you take the piece of the same paper you folded, tear it into peices and throw it away, then you take a new piece of paper and start doing your folding again, this is called Re engineering, a complete change of everything. To change the govt is called a re engineering change.
Hope u understand.
Prof Angel
NUS
dun talk cock la
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change management without EQ is disastrous....and also dictatorial...and has far reaching re-percussions
its just like someone pokes a dirty finger in your nostril and force u to sniff it...that is re-digging the nose shit to the last drop and still dig further...that is re-processing to the fullest...
someone took your money to invest n lehman and lost it and told u to re-fund it with grandiose alternatives to cover up from our pockets....i call it re-scheming to re-covering....public wounds are still yet to re-cuperating.....
voicing out re-flects the common wisdom and there is a deep and urgent need to re-flecting and re-organizing the whole damn re-tribution..
"Professor of A-NUS"
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
change? does it mean time to change the government as well?
who is making the change? if you can change the government, I will certainly accept the change.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
who is making the change? if you can change the government, I will certainly accept the change.
perhaps i should get this shot into your head: it is us the citizens that untimately have to make the change, why it is simple, if this carries on to an unbearable level, it goes basic: do or dieor manybe you don't mind another 5 yeas of suffering?? which
1) a maybe increase of GST again?? say if the economy is stable to substain at 7% but being jacked to 8% or maybe 10% GST?
2)maybe you can bear to see the policies now changed again to allow more floodgates to open to FTs and see your job gradually get unstable?
3) maybe you also can bear the policy change which allow more FT/workers allow more of their families to move here and see your children get stressed up to the point where they can likely end up in a mental instiute before 20years old?
4)bear to see your CPF savings become eroded or devalued due the cost of living where 10k becomes like 5k in value in 5 years time?
is that what you really want to let it happen??? seriously is it in anyway a gain to you if you let them have 5 years or more of power?
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the pique issue for election is further GST increases, continuity of foreigners flooding spore and competing with locals for jobs and crimes foreigners bring, cant take out CPF money because they changed the policy to suit themselves, their exhortation of faster, cheaper and better sounded hollow and hypocritical when their salaries are in the top income earners in singapore, their party is becoming out of touch with the working class.
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Originally posted by Annilator47:
perhaps i should get this shot into your head: it is us the citizens that untimately have to make the change, why it is simple, if this carries on to an unbearable level, it goes basic: do or dieor manybe you don't mind another 5 yeas of suffering?? which
1) a maybe increase of GST again?? say if the economy is stable to substain at 7% but being jacked to 8% or maybe 10% GST?
2)maybe you can bear to see the policies now changed again to allow more floodgates to open to FTs and see your job gradually get unstable?
3) maybe you also can bear the policy change which allow more FT/workers allow more of their families to move here and see your children get stressed up to the point where they can likely end up in a mental instiute before 20years old?
4)bear to see your CPF savings become eroded or devalued due the cost of living where 10k becomes like 5k in value in 5 years time?
is that what you really want to let it happen??? seriously is it in anyway a gain to you if you let them have 5 years or more of power?
You are full of fire, cool it! first it was the question: "does it mean time to change the government as well?" so I said "you make the change!"
You think I let them have 5 years or more of power? you see me got up huhh....
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Well will see the election result.....i hope to see at least 35% - 40% filled by opposition.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
dun talk cock la
no Cxxk, how to talk...u dun talk Rock lah -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Well will see the election result.....i hope to see at least 35% - 40% filled by opposition.
When we make key process indicator, we must make high hope...40% is too low, in the end you get only 3%, you should aim for 100%, a change of govt, then maybe you can end up with 10%, that is the logic about hope and KPI, alway aim higher... -
dun talk cock sing song la
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how to sing song without a Cxxk...plse lah
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All foreigners, PR workers.
Pay a social security tax instead of CPF.
A CPF can be withdrawn and all the accumulated "contribution" will be lost once a foreigner/PR returns to their homeland.
The social security tax is a tax, so no refunding to people who leaves. The money must be put to funding senior citizens' retirement payouts.
To be fair, the Social security tax account should be convertible to a regular CPF once the foreigner takes up citizenship.
If the government wants to insist that foreign imports contributes to Singapore's society... then this wat they can implement.
The gahmen needs to stop farting through their mouths ...Show us the money !