Foreigners & FT are in Singapore to earn money only
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Originally posted by dawnliner:
I would say that FTs are never that loyal to their home country.
1) If they are that loyal to their home country - why should they even 'betray' their home country and come to a foreign land to make money? They should have find ways and means to improve their home country should they be that loyal.
I would say they're selfish. For their own gain and interest, they come to Singapore and make money. They are neither loyal nor 'faithful'. However, that apply to some FTs, not all.
I agree that some FT are here in Singapore to earn money only however I would beg to differ that not all FTs are like that.
Imagine a poor farmer boy in China, he attends school and make his way to the top (in term of academic). He wanted to improve the life of his and his family hence he finds work opportunities in Singapore.
He comes to Singapore to work and earn money. And here we are .. Singaporeans .. complaining ..
It's a win-win situation. We need talents but they're not for FREE. Hence we pay them and offer them jobs. SHOULD SINGAPOREANS have that 'talent' - we don't even need to 'import' them.
However, Singaporeans DO have talents .. but we DEMAND too much. Should we be that humble like those FTs - take small pays at a time and get promoted etc .. those money will come to you naturally ..
In short, Singapore 'talent' workers are EXPENSIVE.
See, there are other COUNTRIES in the world that offer a even HIGHER pay for these foreign talents but WHY ARE THEY NOT IMPORTING THEM???
Think about it.
I am talking about the upper FTs - not construction workers etc.
There are cons to importing too much FTs here though ..
Not all foreigners who migrate are not grateful to the host country. So sometime it is hard to gun down everyone with the same weapon.
I believe there are percentage of foreigners who are truly moving out to Singapore to settled down.
One of the reason why PRC or other Asian move to Singapore because of its Western image and modern cities. ironically they move away from tradition.
I've seen Chinese families move to Village of Honduras to get away from China.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I am not talking about intergrating into the local communities. Canada, oz and the us are so big, you don't really need to intergrate like living like an angmoh, except when you live in cities. you can live in china town of san fransco for months, a life that is more of a chinese than in singapore, without knowing how to speak english. Go to the shopping mall called aberdeen in richmond, vancouver, you will hear announcement in cantonese and mandarin, no english, and you can hardly see a caucasian in the area.
But, will the people there call their new country HOME? do they hold the american green card just for convenience, and give up when they have to declare all their assets in HK to the US government for tax purposes. how many are still holding on to their singapore, or malaysian passports after years living there, just in case?
I feel very proud being singaporean when I met many singaporean who hold on to their singaporean identity, but when people come here and bash the new immigrants who are contributing to the local economy, doing jobs that nobody want to do, I find these singaporean double standard, and hypocrite.
worse, there are nuts who think that singaporean must speak english, so the PRC who cannot speak proper english cannot be singaporean.
Like what you said: Canada, the Oz and USA are big countries, compare it with Singapore. Can we afford that kind of situation as mentioned in your example, where a Chinese can live in China town of San Francisco without the ability to speak and understand English here in Singapore? That's why foreigners have to integrate into our community.
Is there any statistic for the number of Singaporeans still holding to their SG passports when they had lived in another country for years? Not counting those living in exile for obvious reasons.
Yes, we all feel proud to be citizens of Singapore but let's face it PAP had opened the floodgates without control and label FTs and FWs under one term "FTs"
Yes, there are FWs who are contributing to the local economy doing jobs that nobody want to do. Note these are FWs not FTs and the government kept justifying the influx of FWs by hiding it under the term "FTs".
What are the jobs that nobody want to do? Let's take cleaner for an example, shall we?
Sure you can employ a FW because it's assumed locals wouldn't want to be one isn't it? But think about it, the government had raised the age limit for one to retire isn't it? So what happened to the elderly who are out of a job at their age? Some of them would gladly take up the cleaner job as long as they have an income isn't it?
So is being a cleaner a job that locals doesn't want or is it assumed to be?
I remember an MP once said there was a problem in his ward about a cleaner who is not performing well in his/her job and what did he do? He hired a FW...I guess that said a lot of thing by his action.
For your last point, our first language is English isn't it? Unless you're telling me that PRC will only encounter Singaporean Chinese for the rest of his/her life here, if not I hope he/she is improving his/her English skills by taking a English language course.
I'm okay with people who speak broken English provided it's understandable.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
this may not be true for all foreigners and FT, as some willingly gave up their citizens to migrate to Singapore for good. but the some are very rare and in the minority. I believe most foreigners come to singapore to earn as much money as they could and then return to their home country, so dun expect any loyalty from these foreign PRs.
you can see so many PRC's people coming to singapore to work, because of the high exchange rate. if they saved SGD 10K in singapore, they can go back to china and exchange for 40,000 yuan to spend.
zzz...this is an old fact....everybody knows
what about singaporeans? you think the younger gen are loyal? They also jump here jump there
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I don't think you even truly understand what a Foreign Talent means
A foreign talent receives pay that is equivalent or more than the $$$ that a local talent earns in that country. A foreign talent that goes to another country to work does not take lower pay. Otherwise, THAT is not a foreign talent, BUT foreign labor.
The pay I receive here is in the top bracket of American pay. I am not being paid lower than an American, otherwise, I am NOT a foreign talent here, but foreign labor.
Another thing is, you keep mentioning Singaporeans are expensive. What is your basis of comparison? Do you even understand the differences in costs of living between countries? Do you not understand that due to our cost of living, Singaporeans can never accept a pay lower than those foreign labor?
I admit that I don't know everything.
I also believe that you may have misunderstood my 'Farmer Analogy' .. Sorry about that but the key point is this : To agree with the TS that Foreigners and FT are in Singapore to earn money only.
The below is my basis for 'Singaporeans are generally more expensive'
"A worker in Singapore will cost $1000 per month or more, but there is a bountiful stream of workers in China who will gladly work for $100 per month ... that is why we should lower our wage costs." - Labour chief Lim Boon Heng, Straits Times, June 17 2002
I understand the difference in terms of 'Cost of living'. I lived in Sydney,Australia for a period of 3 months and Canada , Toronto for a period of a year.
In Sydney, you buy a 'MyMulti 1' ticket which will cost about $50SGD for an adult.
It's valid for a period of a week. Let's not compare about the distance from A to B etc.
Transportation itself is expensive there
A coke cost about $4SGD in Coles.
It's true that Singaporeans can never accept any pay lower than a foreign labor but look again ..
Can we say that the Foreign Labors aren't living well in Singapore? I am sure they're living happily and leading a simple life in Singapore and perhaps 3/4 HDB Flat.
What I am getting on is this ... they work for a cheaper pay in Singapore - but to compare it back to their home country - it's considered a 'high pay' for them. They can use the money earned to feed for themselves and even to send some money back home etc ..
As an employer - you get a cheaper worker / X2 hardworking than a Singaporean. And I strongly believe in working hard and working smart to get a promotion. Hence .. who's likely to get promoted and eventually have their pay increase?
Say in a sales person in XYZ Shopping Centre.
Foreign Labor earn : $500 per month
S'pore Worker: $700 per month
Foreign Labor because of hardwork and 'smart work' - get promoted as compared to that S'pore worker .. (promoted to a sales manager/supervisor)
Hence his pay will increase to a 'cheaper' Supervisor fee range. Therefore he gets a FASTER promotion than that Singaporean.
Hence .. it's not whether Singaporeans can accept a lower wages but whether they see the big picture behind it and not chasing the 5 'C's at the 'wrong time'.
And I don't think that 'low wages' will be of that much different. that's IMHO
Like today's news .. in China .. factory workers are demanding for a higher pay - they go on strike. Foxconn's workers commited suicide because of terrible working hours and low pay.
What does these reality tells us ??
These poor workers aka labors got to go elsewhere to another country to earn more money.
Talking about Foreign Talent.
They definitely got more experience in term of 'looking outside the world' as compared to a Singaporean. In Chinese proverbs : A frog in a well .. and that frog is us.
I am not pro-FTs and I am a 101% Singaporean. I agree with the doings of the government.
There are CONS in all these plans but looking at the PROS - it will benefit Singapore as a whole nation and not individual/sectors in the working world.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Not all foreigners who migrate are not grateful to the host country. So sometime it is hard to gun down everyone with the same weapon.
I believe there are percentage of foreigners who are truly moving out to Singapore to settled down.
One of the reason why PRC or other Asian move to Singapore because of its Western image and modern cities. ironically they move away from tradition.
I've seen Chinese families move to Village of Honduras to get away from China.
Yupp. I agree with it.
There are 101 reasons to migrate here and there. I may move to Australia because of the nice weather. I may move to China because ...
However noting that Singapore is the best in Education / etc .. Foreigners move to Singapore because of the benefits .. for their future.. or even so .. to escape natural disaster etc ..
If you watch 'Mao's Last Dancer' - or read his novel .. Li CunXin insisted in staying in the States because in his home country (China) - he comes from a poor village - he finds his LOVE (: and see a better future there as compared to his poor village which offers no future for him .. hence he decided to 'escape' China ..
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Why red eye only on foreigners and FT earn money in Singapore ?
Why no red eye on the rich and elites earn the lifetime income of the poor in a month in Singapore ?
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Originally posted by dawnliner:
I admit that I don't know everything.
I also believe that you may have misunderstood my 'Farmer Analogy' .. Sorry about that but the key point is this : To agree with the TS that Foreigners and FT are in Singapore to earn money only.
The below is my basis for 'Singaporeans are generally more expensive'
"A worker in Singapore will cost $1000 per month or more, but there is a bountiful stream of workers in China who will gladly work for $100 per month ... that is why we should lower our wage costs." - Labour chief Lim Boon Heng, Straits Times, June 17 2002
I understand the difference in terms of 'Cost of living'. I lived in Sydney,Australia for a period of 3 months and Canada , Toronto for a period of a year.
In Sydney, you buy a 'MyMulti 1' ticket which will cost about $50SGD for an adult.
It's valid for a period of a week. Let's not compare about the distance from A to B etc.
Transportation itself is expensive there
A coke cost about $4SGD in Coles.
It's true that Singaporeans can never accept any pay lower than a foreign labor but look again ..
Can we say that the Foreign Labors aren't living well in Singapore? I am sure they're living happily and leading a simple life in Singapore and perhaps 3/4 HDB Flat.
What I am getting on is this ... they work for a cheaper pay in Singapore - but to compare it back to their home country - it's considered a 'high pay' for them. They can use the money earned to feed for themselves and even to send some money back home etc ..
As an employer - you get a cheaper worker / X2 hardworking than a Singaporean. And I strongly believe in working hard and working smart to get a promotion. Hence .. who's likely to get promoted and eventually have their pay increase?
Say in a sales person in XYZ Shopping Centre.
Foreign Labor earn : $500 per month
S'pore Worker: $700 per month
Foreign Labor because of hardwork and 'smart work' - get promoted as compared to that S'pore worker .. (promoted to a sales manager/supervisor)
Hence his pay will increase to a 'cheaper' Supervisor fee range. Therefore he gets a FASTER promotion than that Singaporean.
Hence .. it's not whether Singaporeans can accept a lower wages but whether they see the big picture behind it and not chasing the 5 'C's at the 'wrong time'.
And I don't think that 'low wages' will be of that much different. that's IMHO
Like today's news .. in China .. factory workers are demanding for a higher pay - they go on strike. Foxconn's workers commited suicide because of terrible working hours and low pay.
What does these reality tells us ??
These poor workers aka labors got to go elsewhere to another country to earn more money.
Talking about Foreign Talent.
They definitely got more experience in term of 'looking outside the world' as compared to a Singaporean. In Chinese proverbs : A frog in a well .. and that frog is us.
I am not pro-FTs and I am a 101% Singaporean. I agree with the doings of the government.
There are CONS in all these plans but looking at the PROS - it will benefit Singapore as a whole nation and not individual/sectors in the working world.
i will disagree..
firstly : sporeans are "protected" by the employment act, in the past for some sectors i know benefits were given to offset the low pay.
secondly at present please ask around those sectors who those people work before for 20years the policies then and now..you will notice something..the pay changes little, but most of the benefits is gone, add salt to the wound, rising cost of living..no matter how i see it. i don't see the way that they do it is a pro.
lastly sporeans for some are not choosy, but as proof i would like to ask you if you are willing to take a job here but at 1/3 or 2/3 the pay you had overseas? i believe you would say yes if you were single, but what about those married and having 1 or more kids with a HDB flat? have you ever thought of that angle?
i am also like you a 101% singaporean, served my 2 yrs full time NS, my 10 years reservist, been there seen thru the changes here got bad to worse.
the only thing is i cannot imagine how much more worse it will get, but i know more will come.
also is it also a pro when ministers pay and officers of the govt sector get pay rise but the rank and file workers there don't?
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Originally posted by dawnliner:
I admit that I don't know everything.
I also believe that you may have misunderstood my 'Farmer Analogy' .. Sorry about that but the key point is this : To agree with the TS that Foreigners and FT are in Singapore to earn money only.
The below is my basis for 'Singaporeans are generally more expensive'
"A worker in Singapore will cost $1000 per month or more, but there is a bountiful stream of workers in China who will gladly work for $100 per month ... that is why we should lower our wage costs." - Labour chief Lim Boon Heng, Straits Times, June 17 2002
I understand the difference in terms of 'Cost of living'. I lived in Sydney,Australia for a period of 3 months and Canada , Toronto for a period of a year.
In Sydney, you buy a 'MyMulti 1' ticket which will cost about $50SGD for an adult.
It's valid for a period of a week. Let's not compare about the distance from A to B etc.
Transportation itself is expensive there
A coke cost about $4SGD in Coles.
It's true that Singaporeans can never accept any pay lower than a foreign labor but look again ..
Can we say that the Foreign Labors aren't living well in Singapore? I am sure they're living happily and leading a simple life in Singapore and perhaps 3/4 HDB Flat.
What I am getting on is this ... they work for a cheaper pay in Singapore - but to compare it back to their home country - it's considered a 'high pay' for them. They can use the money earned to feed for themselves and even to send some money back home etc ..
As an employer - you get a cheaper worker / X2 hardworking than a Singaporean. And I strongly believe in working hard and working smart to get a promotion. Hence .. who's likely to get promoted and eventually have their pay increase?
Say in a sales person in XYZ Shopping Centre.
Foreign Labor earn : $500 per month
S'pore Worker: $700 per month
Foreign Labor because of hardwork and 'smart work' - get promoted as compared to that S'pore worker .. (promoted to a sales manager/supervisor)
Hence his pay will increase to a 'cheaper' Supervisor fee range. Therefore he gets a FASTER promotion than that Singaporean.
Hence .. it's not whether Singaporeans can accept a lower wages but whether they see the big picture behind it and not chasing the 5 'C's at the 'wrong time'.
And I don't think that 'low wages' will be of that much different. that's IMHO
Like today's news .. in China .. factory workers are demanding for a higher pay - they go on strike. Foxconn's workers commited suicide because of terrible working hours and low pay.
What does these reality tells us ??
These poor workers aka labors got to go elsewhere to another country to earn more money.
Talking about Foreign Talent.
They definitely got more experience in term of 'looking outside the world' as compared to a Singaporean. In Chinese proverbs : A frog in a well .. and that frog is us.
I am not pro-FTs and I am a 101% Singaporean. I agree with the doings of the government.
There are CONS in all these plans but looking at the PROS - it will benefit Singapore as a whole nation and not individual/sectors in the working world.
No one knows everything. I am the top in my domain, and I do not fear any other nationalities like the Chinese, Indians, Europeans, etc, for they are at most my equals. But I do not know everything.
The only sad thing about your posting above, is that you quote a minister that has no achievements to substantiate the point that Chinese work for $100 per month, whereas Singaporeans work for $1000 per month.
Again, you are trapped in the vicious cycle of listening to the govt's ramblings about how we must squeeze our locals, because the Chinese work for $100.
Let me tell you, if that's really the case, why then are locals in other countries doing well? Why then are locals in other countries earning a pay that is way higher than our pay in similar positions? If the minister whom you quote is so right, then why then other countries not face the same problems as we have now?
The truth is, it's our policies that are killing us. It's our govt's short-sightedness, and lack of judgement in deciding some focal points for our economy, that is killing us.
We aspire to be the hub of all hubs, but we are nothing but a confused hub. We don't have much of a competitive advantage against other upcoming countries, because we cannot even decide what we want to focus on, and end up dumping money in all directions, achieving little in the global arena. Even our great Temasek bled and lost so much of our hard earned money. As Jim Rogers said, the 'talents' in our great Temasek are nothing but idiots.
And because we don't have any focal points, the only thing our govt come out with, is how to squeeze wages so that we continue to remain affordable to attract investments. But given the rising cost of living, this is getting more and more impossible to do.
As I mentioned, giving companies here free access to cheap labor results in killing innovation.
But you know what is the saddest thing of all?
It's not our govt, but my fellow countrymen, who continue to vote for the PAP, even when life is getting harder for them. My fellow countrymen, who allow PAP leaders to humiliate them on the media, and yet continue to vote for the PAP. Outside of Singapore, Singaporeans are ranked among the top in productivity, but back home, you hear nothing but insults from our leaders about how lousy our people are.
The ones that I think should be condemned are not those that believe blindly in the propaganda of the PAP, but those who complain about them, yet in the end, vote for the PAP because (1) they are afraid to vote otherwise, (2) they hope someone else takes the responsibility of protesting against the PAP, (3) couldn't care less.
It's precisely these people, that will condemn Singapore to a living hell. Working outside of Singapore only strengthens my view that in 20-30 years time, (1) people will end up jobless at 40, (2) there will no longer be any identity as a Singaporean because of the blatant influx of foreign labor, (3) society will start to break apart due to the rising number of unemployed.
I feel sad, but at least I have moved out to become a foreign talent and not just a local talent. I do not need to depend on anyone, as I have enough to provide for myself and my loved ones. And I will do my part come elections, but I have little faith in my fellow countrymen.
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Originally posted by dawnliner:
However, Singaporeans DO have talents .. but we DEMAND too much. Should we be that humble like those FTs - take small pays at a time and get promoted etc .. those money will come to you naturally ..
In short, Singapore 'talent' workers are EXPENSIVE.
You never work overseas before, right? lol Either that, you may have been stuck in some well the past who knows how many years.
Yes, we sgporeans shouldnt demand too much because polytechnic pay 10 years ago averaged about $1500. Today, it is still about the same. University pay also averaged about $2500 then and today it hasnt changed much. I mean what are HDB prices? They only incread 2 fold, GST shot up to only 7%....so yes...I agree we shouldnt demand too much.
Does not matter if our engineer, lawyer, businessmen friends are earning so much more in other countries but we are still cheap hunting ground for MNCs. Does not matter too if other foreigners can come in and depress our wages too because without them, we wouldnt even have jobs! lol
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has anyone thought of getting an associate degree from a usa community school n move on to university in MIT?thats a real education!
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Agree. I am in USA coz I can contribute at a level where it has a shortage of such skillset, NOT because the country is generous
I am pretty amused by the forumer here that talks about dying for the country I work in. In these modern times, there's actually an old dinosaur here preaching old nonsense.
The problem with Singpore's foreign labor policy is that they are bringing people in to contribute what the locals can do, and in doing so, steal jobs from the locals. You only need to look at where they go to do mass recruitment to see the strategy is all about making Singapore cheaper, lousier and slower.
well the secret is I believe is that at the rate the malays reproduce, the chinese population will decrease significantly from the majority of 77% in the long term. I mean...the govt is not stupid right? They know that they are bringing in a lot of those who can do our work and cause us to be jobless. So what do they do? They try to create more employment to neutralise the cons with ideas such as the IRs and casinos.
And it also helps pro-MNC singapore cos these foreign companies are always on the lookout for cheap, albeit skilled and language proficient labour.
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If today's PMETS in their 30s-50s are having such difficulty finding jobs, what more 20 years down the road?
When you have a family, car and property and then suddenly your income source is gone, with all that foreign "talent" coming in, thank your lucky stars if u can even find anything close to your previous paycheck.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
Like what you said: Canada, the Oz and USA are big countries, compare it with Singapore. Can we afford that kind of situation as mentioned in your example, where a Chinese can live in China town of San Francisco without the ability to speak and understand English here in Singapore? That's why foreigners have to integrate into our community.
Is there any statistic for the number of Singaporeans still holding to their SG passports when they had lived in another country for years? Not counting those living in exile for obvious reasons.
Yes, we all feel proud to be citizens of Singapore but let's face it PAP had opened the floodgates without control and label FTs and FWs under one term "FTs"
Yes, there are FWs who are contributing to the local economy doing jobs that nobody want to do. Note these are FWs not FTs and the government kept justifying the influx of FWs by hiding it under the term "FTs".
What are the jobs that nobody want to do? Let's take cleaner for an example, shall we?
Sure you can employ a FW because it's assumed locals wouldn't want to be one isn't it? But think about it, the government had raised the age limit for one to retire isn't it? So what happened to the elderly who are out of a job at their age? Some of them would gladly take up the cleaner job as long as they have an income isn't it?
So is being a cleaner a job that locals doesn't want or is it assumed to be?
I remember an MP once said there was a problem in his ward about a cleaner who is not performing well in his/her job and what did he do? He hired a FW...I guess that said a lot of thing by his action.
For your last point, our first language is English isn't it? Unless you're telling me that PRC will only encounter Singaporean Chinese for the rest of his/her life here, if not I hope he/she is improving his/her English skills by taking a English language course.
I'm okay with people who speak broken English provided it's understandable.
Yes, in singapore we do need people to integrate, but we don't expect the mandarin speaking chinese, the tamil speaking indian, and the malays to integrate into one english speaking people whom we think is the only type of singaporean.
Singapore is a multi racial, multi cultural, multi religious, society, we should accept the difference. If you read the opinions on the weightage on psle chinese in the lianhe zhaobao and the straits times, you will see that there are still big difference between opinion on the importance of mother tongue and first language. I have gone past the argument on whether everybody should speak english in singapore, or laughing at people who call themselves chinese but don't know how to speak chinese.
Is there any statistic for the number of Singaporeans still holding to their SG passports when they had lived in another country for years? well, I don't have statistics. I get my impression from people I met in these places, actually, after talking to them, I concluded that singapore is still the best place for me, hahahaha. ask the people who are overseas here! talk so much but they themselves are also modern nomad, go where there is greener grass.
the double standard is that these modern nomad landed in america, they think they had gone to heaven, and start pointing fingers at other nomad who landed in singapore. Hypocrite!
I won't want to debate with you on the FT issues, but I also think that many who debate on this issue is taking a simplistic approach by put the blame on the government, and the FT of a particular ethnicity. We forget about the role of the employers, the MNC, the foreign companies, they are the one who want to employ the foreigners instead of the locals, they are the one who apply to the government to bring in this FT. You should also look at the different industries, some industries like the construction industries, they are really in need of workers, the service industries are bringing in thousands of philippinos. Who are the one who got laid off before 50s? the MNC. So, there is a lot more to learn on this issue. those who just cpcb, waste time.
have a good day.
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end of the day, u can say MNCs wanna hire but it's still the govt's prerogative where the floodgates are concerned.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
well the secret is I believe is that at the rate the malays reproduce, the chinese population will decrease significantly from the majority of 77% in the long term. I mean...the govt is not stupid right? They know that they are bringing in a lot of those who can do our work and cause us to be jobless. So what do they do? They try to create more employment to neutralise the cons with ideas such as the IRs and casinos.
And it also helps pro-MNC singapore cos these foreign companies are always on the lookout for cheap, albeit skilled and language proficient labour.
That's one possibility I concur.
The other possibility is that they want to dilute the votes of the local, as they are getting a little insecure after the last election, and are a little worried about the future elections. I would think they are more concerned about maintaining the status quo more than anything else.
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I am still amused by the dinosaur who asks people to die for the country they work in
I am still amused by the dinosaur who made the comment that people who have the opportunity to work overseas is because that country is generous to them.
Cannot believe that a dinosaur still exists in these modern times making immature comments about people who choose to work overseas.
The dumb dinosaur continued to make the comment that modern nomads like us who are outside of Singapore point fingers at nomads who go to Singapore, when NONE of us made that comment.
Then the dumb dinosaur said we are too simplistic to put the blame on the govt. The dumb one forgets that the govt has the ability to control the floodgates, and to ensure that companies do not hire too many foreigners.
Perhaps, the dumb dinosaur is too simplistic in his support of the PAP.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
That's one possibility I concur.
The other possibility is that they want to dilute the votes of the local, as they are getting a little insecure after the last election, and are a little worried about the future elections. I would think they are more concerned about maintaining the status quo more than anything else.
hmm this one likely for the long term. Tens of thousands new citizens now cannot make much of a difference.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
You never work overseas before, right? lol Either that, you may have been stuck in some well the past who knows how many years.
Yes, we sgporeans shouldnt demand too much because polytechnic pay 10 years ago averaged about $1500. Today, it is still about the same. University pay also averaged about $2500 then and today it hasnt changed much. I mean what are HDB prices? They only incread 2 fold, GST shot up to only 7%....so yes...I agree we shouldnt demand too much.
Does not matter if our engineer, lawyer, businessmen friends are earning so much more in other countries but we are still cheap hunting ground for MNCs. Does not matter too if other foreigners can come in and depress our wages too because without them, we wouldnt even have jobs! lol
worse poly pay in the 90s can command up to 1.8k. now got 1600 considered alot liao.
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any fresh poly grads out there getting $1200 a month or fresh uni grads taking $1800 a month? hehe.
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Singapore's system is very hierachical. In the civil service, your cert determines your path for life (that is if u stay civil service all ur life).
If u ITE guy, more or less condemned to lower rungs of society. Likewise the poly chaps are always second fiddle to uni grads unless u do professions like sales. Even the uni grads are facing salary stagnation with all the foreign "talents".
Fucked already
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just saw in the indo papers that MOE has opened applications for ASEAN scholars. Wah free airfare on top of other allowances and housing.
None of the those I know (5 of them) have converted to Singapore citizenship haha. Best of both worlds, suck Singapore's money, then go back home and enjoy. I asked this Indonesian I met on the plane...if he ever considered the citizenship. He's been in sg for 15 years and he says no. Reasons being NS and what a farking small shithole singapore is! Of cos la...look at Indo, mountains and volcanoes, sun, sand and the deep blue sea. Even bali is a paradise on earth......who the hell wants to trade all that for pigeon hole punggol HDBs?
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Seriously, you guys are writing essays about a simple topic. TL; DR.
Oh, too much pesudo-intellectual people that couldn't summarize their thoughts.
I think, if you disagree with the policy at large, DO something about it, instead of trying to promote awareness that is already been done.
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...............well....they do have cheap hardware shops in spore selling real cheap plumbing rubber mix.:)and i know one really good n cheap place in spore selling all hardware at really cheap price.
other than that i can get most of stuff from china online...hmmmm...mebbe one day i could get those stuff on bulk sale from china .the end of spore???
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TS,
Of course, Foreigners and FT are in Singapore to earn money only.
You expect them to die for Singapore meh.
You think they are Gurka soldiers (from Nepal) who are very known for their loyalty to die for their boss. Not easy to get these types of people, you know.