Local graduate pessimistic about her future
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Originally posted by Terminator Hitman:
charlize,
grads earnin $8k/mth after age 35???that is a myth.most engineers after graduating and 40 years old cant even get a$3k/mth engineer post....unless u go setup yer own company.
i hate to break it to u but what u read or heard is rubbish from the times where degree holders in spore were hard to come by in the 1960's.
if spore had salary which gave degree hiolder engineers $8k/mth then why would there be superintendents from shipyards immigrating to australia to start life anew??!!!it simply tells u the jobs in spore may be as good as working for food and shelter...no savings or not much savings.
I also don't believe the figures.
True, there will be some fresh grads who make $3-4K upon graduation (as featured in the media sometimes) and there will be some 35 year olds making $8K a month (lawyers, bankers, consultants, doctors etc) but they are definitely in the very small minority.
My take is the average salary for a fresh grad is around $2-2.5K and a 35 year old grad should be around $4 to 4.5K.
For the past 15 years, how many recessions or global economic crisis have occured? (this affects salaries in terms of pay freezes, job loss etc)
'97 - Asian financial crisis
'01 - Dot com crash / Sept 11
'03 - SARS
'08 - Credit crisis
And some people even think that every year, the average worker gets 10% increments.
Not to mention in Singapore, there is the "cheaper, better, faster" movement from the influx of cheap foreign labour into all sectors of the Sg economy.
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Originally posted by charlize:
I also don't believe the figures.
True, there will be some fresh grads who make $3-4K upon graduation (as featured in the media sometimes) and there will be some 35 year olds making $8K a month (lawyers, bankers, consultants, doctors etc) but they are definitely in the very small minority.
My take is the average salary for a fresh grad is around $2-2.5K and a 35 year old grad should be around $4 to 4.5K.
For the past 15 years, how many recessions or global economic crisis have occured? (this affects salaries in terms of pay freezes, job loss etc)
'97 - Asian financial crisis
'01 - Dot com crash / Sept 11
'03 - SARS
'08 - Credit crisis
And some people even think that every year, the average worker gets 10% increments.
Not to mention in Singapore, there is the "cheaper, better, faster" movement from the influx of cheap foreign labour into all sectors of the Sg economy.
Singapore companies seek less experience personnel to be Managers so that they don't have to pay them higher salary.currently job advertisment in the paper managers only get pay around 3500 to 4000.
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charlize,
me completely given up on singapore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
dont imported vietnamese cleaners in australia who cant make a complete sentence in english earn $3600/mth!!!!!
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Originally posted by Terminator Hitman:
charlize,
me completely given up on singapore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
dont imported vietnamese cleaners in australia who cant make a complete sentence in english earn $3600/mth!!!!!
No lar... they earn abt 18/hr... take home roughly 2.5k aud after tax and super(CPF).If you garbage collector earn more... those that drive of stand behind rubbish truck de... meybe 3k+ a little more take home.
Kind Regards
Genie
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local grad thought they always on top
of those non grad
thought can earn 5 figure a month
too bad they forgotten about market outlook
world market will collapse
in 9 mths time...
think grad can be prepare to eat
grass
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the ironic of grad is that when i am graduated, i make sure i get a high ranking job in any organisation hierrachy, sit comfortably in a nice private office with a good seaview, pretty gals and handsome guys working for you, can use lots of company benefits etc etc...that is only a myth, as i said, what is graduate today, whistle only, 10 lorries of graduates waiting for job liao...
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Originally posted by angel7030:
the ironic of grad is that when i am graduated, i make sure i get a high ranking job in any organisation hierrachy, sit comfortably in a nice private office with a good seaview, pretty gals and handsome guys working for you, can use lots of company benefits etc etc...that is only a myth, as i said, what is graduate today, whistle only, 10 lorries of graduates waiting for job liao...
I am amazed you can come online and typed all this? is this the best you can typed from your keyboard? you must have shit for brains all this while
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I do have a grad friend who's earning $1k+ a month
But his degree is in social science....
For uni engineering degrees, most 2nd Upper and above are taking in from $2.5k to $3k a month.
Got fren with 3rd class honours taking in $2.4k gross monthly, but year end bonus got 9 months worth. But work 5.5 days week at Jurong Island.
Govt defence sector employs local uni engineers >$3k too, to the tune of $3.8k for males 1st class. Early promotion for local males as well as the 2 yrs in army are considered as work experience.
P.S. Talking about those who grad in May 2008.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
I just graduated. Havent started to find a job. Starting today. Sending resumes later.
Yes, I am now officially UNEMPLOYED. LOL... My new status when I am fill in my Career for Lucky Draw Forms liao.
Yes, and I will start to experience the horror just like the girl and guy featured on the Online Citizen. =X
Good luck to you in your job hunting -
Originally posted by noahnoah:
local grad thought they always on top
of those non grad
thought can earn 5 figure a month
too bad they forgotten about market outlook
world market will collapse
in 9 mths time...
think grad can be prepare to eat
grass
orh ok
I feedback to you 9 mths from today
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Singapore mass-recruiting electrical and software engineers in China
According to a report on China’s news portal sohu.com, Singapore’s Economic Development Board (EDB) and Manpower Ministry will be launching a mass recruitment exercise on 26 June 2010 at Shanghai for China’s electrical and software engineers.
More than 250 vacancies are available in the following positions: RIFC Design Engineer, Application Engineer, Digital Design Engineer, Equipment and Maintenance Engineer and Senior Hardware Engineer.
It is not known why Singapore needs to go all the way to China to recruit their engineers. Is there a shortage of trained engineers in Singapore?
Each year, more than a thousand electrical and computer engineers graduate from NUS and NTU. Why are these vacancies not offered to Singaporeans first?
PAP leaders always claim that foreign workers are needed in sectors shunned by Singaporeans. During his May Day Rally this year, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called on the “understanding” of Singaporeans to accept a higher inflow of foreigners.
It is unlikely that Singapore engineers will “shun” the jobs on offer, why then are Singapore firms still recruiting engineers from China?
Besides engineering jobs, Singapore companies have launched job fairs frequently in China and other countries as well for positions which can otherwise be filled up by Singaporeans.
In March, a Singapore bus company put up a job advertisement in a Sichuan newspaper to recruit bus drivers from its provincial capital Chengdu.
A month later, EDB officials flew to Taipei to launch a recruitment exercise for Taiwanese engineers and graphic designers.
As expected, these news were never reported by the Singapore media which continue to deceive and mislead Singaporeans that there are “plenty” of jobs available in Singapore.
Without a free and independent press to reveal the reality on the ground, Singaporeans will forever live under the delusion that their government can “do no wrong.”
http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSa...s/Default.aspxOnly certain % of the population are untouchable!our gahmen can import cheaper, better and faster plus more productive foreign talents -
Engineers in Singapore are always on the losing end
But I heard NUS last year not a lot of ECE grads... Dropped since my time... Maybe this is part of the reason.
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Originally posted by EAT ORGANIC:
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Singapore mass-recruiting electrical and software engineers in China
According to a report on China’s news portal sohu.com, Singapore’s Economic Development Board (EDB) and Manpower Ministry will be launching a mass recruitment exercise on 26 June 2010 at Shanghai for China’s electrical and software engineers.
More than 250 vacancies are available in the following positions: RIFC Design Engineer, Application Engineer, Digital Design Engineer, Equipment and Maintenance Engineer and Senior Hardware Engineer.
It is not known why Singapore needs to go all the way to China to recruit their engineers. Is there a shortage of trained engineers in Singapore?
Each year, more than a thousand electrical and computer engineers graduate from NUS and NTU. Why are these vacancies not offered to Singaporeans first?
PAP leaders always claim that foreign workers are needed in sectors shunned by Singaporeans. During his May Day Rally this year, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called on the “understanding” of Singaporeans to accept a higher inflow of foreigners.
It is unlikely that Singapore engineers will “shun” the jobs on offer, why then are Singapore firms still recruiting engineers from China?
Besides engineering jobs, Singapore companies have launched job fairs frequently in China and other countries as well for positions which can otherwise be filled up by Singaporeans.
In March, a Singapore bus company put up a job advertisement in a Sichuan newspaper to recruit bus drivers from its provincial capital Chengdu.
A month later, EDB officials flew to Taipei to launch a recruitment exercise for Taiwanese engineers and graphic designers.
As expected, these news were never reported by the Singapore media which continue to deceive and mislead Singaporeans that there are “plenty” of jobs available in Singapore.
Without a free and independent press to reveal the reality on the ground, Singaporeans will forever live under the delusion that their government can “do no wrong.”
http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSa...s/Default.aspxOnly certain % of the population are untouchable!our gahmen can import cheaper, better and faster plus more productive foreign talents
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Originally posted by EAT ORGANIC:
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Singapore mass-recruiting electrical and software engineers in China
According to a report on China’s news portal sohu.com, Singapore’s Economic Development Board (EDB) and Manpower Ministry will be launching a mass recruitment exercise on 26 June 2010 at Shanghai for China’s electrical and software engineers.
More than 250 vacancies are available in the following positions: RIFC Design Engineer, Application Engineer, Digital Design Engineer, Equipment and Maintenance Engineer and Senior Hardware Engineer.
It is not known why Singapore needs to go all the way to China to recruit their engineers. Is there a shortage of trained engineers in Singapore?
Each year, more than a thousand electrical and computer engineers graduate from NUS and NTU. Why are these vacancies not offered to Singaporeans first?
PAP leaders always claim that foreign workers are needed in sectors shunned by Singaporeans. During his May Day Rally this year, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called on the “understanding” of Singaporeans to accept a higher inflow of foreigners.
It is unlikely that Singapore engineers will “shun” the jobs on offer, why then are Singapore firms still recruiting engineers from China?
Besides engineering jobs, Singapore companies have launched job fairs frequently in China and other countries as well for positions which can otherwise be filled up by Singaporeans.
In March, a Singapore bus company put up a job advertisement in a Sichuan newspaper to recruit bus drivers from its provincial capital Chengdu.
A month later, EDB officials flew to Taipei to launch a recruitment exercise for Taiwanese engineers and graphic designers.
As expected, these news were never reported by the Singapore media which continue to deceive and mislead Singaporeans that there are “plenty” of jobs available in Singapore.
Without a free and independent press to reveal the reality on the ground, Singaporeans will forever live under the delusion that their government can “do no wrong.”
http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSa...s/Default.aspxOnly certain % of the population are untouchable!our gahmen can import cheaper, better and faster plus more productive foreign talentsMaybe because local EEE grads tend to look for jobs in business/banking related areas due to $$$$ factor?
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Even if starting pay high now, the "cheaper, better, faster" movement advocated by the government will prevent salaries from rising too much.
Remember, they are going to increase the population by another 1 million in the next few years.
Increased supply coupled with very limited job opportunities will mean people will have to adjust their salary expectations very low to compete for the job.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Even if starting pay high now, the "cheaper, better, faster" movement advocated by the government will prevent salaries from rising too much.
Remember, they are going to increase the population by another 1 million in the next few years.
Increased supply coupled with very limited job opportunities will mean people will have to adjust their salary expectations very low to compete for the job.
There are opportunities from all these policies as well.
If only people can go out and open their eyes instead of complaining about limited job opportunities and low salaries.
Sigh
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Originally posted by eagle:
I do have a grad friend who's earning $1k+ a month
But his degree is in social science....
For uni engineering degrees, most 2nd Upper and above are taking in from $2.5k to $3k a month.
Got fren with 3rd class honours taking in $2.4k gross monthly, but year end bonus got 9 months worth. But work 5.5 days week at Jurong Island.
Govt defence sector employs local uni engineers >$3k too, to the tune of $3.8k for males 1st class. Early promotion for local males as well as the 2 yrs in army are considered as work experience.
P.S. Talking about those who grad in May 2008.
eagle, you mentioned govt sector. if you know, can advise on how the govt pay scheme, bonus and increment structure is like vis a vis private sector (in good times) as one progresses in career. -
I don't know much about the govt sector other than it's starting pay.
Private sector? I'm only in for 2 years, so I don't know much also.
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Originally posted by EAT ORGANIC:
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Singapore mass-recruiting electrical and software engineers in China
According to a report on China’s news portal sohu.com, Singapore’s Economic Development Board (EDB) and Manpower Ministry will be launching a mass recruitment exercise on 26 June 2010 at Shanghai for China’s electrical and software engineers.
More than 250 vacancies are available in the following positions: RIFC Design Engineer, Application Engineer, Digital Design Engineer, Equipment and Maintenance Engineer and Senior Hardware Engineer.
It is not known why Singapore needs to go all the way to China to recruit their engineers. Is there a shortage of trained engineers in Singapore?
Each year, more than a thousand electrical and computer engineers graduate from NUS and NTU. Why are these vacancies not offered to Singaporeans first?
PAP leaders always claim that foreign workers are needed in sectors shunned by Singaporeans. During his May Day Rally this year, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called on the “understanding” of Singaporeans to accept a higher inflow of foreigners.
It is unlikely that Singapore engineers will “shun” the jobs on offer, why then are Singapore firms still recruiting engineers from China?
Besides engineering jobs, Singapore companies have launched job fairs frequently in China and other countries as well for positions which can otherwise be filled up by Singaporeans.
In March, a Singapore bus company put up a job advertisement in a Sichuan newspaper to recruit bus drivers from its provincial capital Chengdu.
A month later, EDB officials flew to Taipei to launch a recruitment exercise for Taiwanese engineers and graphic designers.
As expected, these news were never reported by the Singapore media which continue to deceive and mislead Singaporeans that there are “plenty” of jobs available in Singapore.
Without a free and independent press to reveal the reality on the ground, Singaporeans will forever live under the delusion that their government can “do no wrong.”
http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSa...s/Default.aspxOnly certain % of the population are untouchable!our gahmen can import cheaper, better and faster plus more productive foreign talentsGreat, they suka suka welcome people. If not for the net, we won't even know a shit.
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Dr Vivian: Singapore must stay “open” to newcomers
TEMASEK REVIEW
Despite rising unhappiness among Singaporeans over the PAP’s liberal immigration policies, PAP leaders are adamant that immigration is essential to Singapore.
Speaking during a seminar at NUS, the Minister for Community, Youth and Sports (MCYS) Dr Vivian Balakrishnan stressed that Singapore must stay “open” to newcomers and help them “integrate” into society in order for Singapore to thrive in the future.
In other developed countries like Australia, Canada and New Zealand, the onus lies on the immigrants to integrate themselves. It appears to be the other way round.
Not only is the PAP splurging millions of dollars to roll out the red carpet for the immigrants, Singaporeans are exhorted repeatedly to accept and embrace them.
Last year October, MCYS unveiled a mega $10-million dollar Community Integration Funds to make the newcomers feel welcomed and happy in Singapore.
While MCYS has been most generous towards the immigrants, Dr Vivian said during the same speech that the state “cannot take over the role of providing support” to Singapore families.
The PAP has always eschewed welfare and expects Singaporeans to be “self-reliant” even as it continues to import more and more foreigners to compete with them while demanding that they remain “cheaper, better and faster” at the same time.
MCYS has a Public Assistance scheme which provides a paltry $330 monthly to destitute Singaporeans and those certified permanently unfit to work.
During a parliamentary debate to raise the amount of allowance given to PA holders, Dr Vivian Balakrishnan rebuked fellow PAP MP Dr Lily Neo in a now immortalized quote:
“How much do you want? Do you want three meals in a hawker centre, food court or restaurant?”
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PMETs see largest increase in number of workers made redundant
TEMASEK REVIEW
According to the 2009 Redundancy and Re-employment report released by MOM’s Research and Statistics Department, Professionals, Managers, Executives & Technicians (PMETs) saw the largest increase in the number of workers made redundant from 6,200 in 2008 to 9,570 in 2009.
This represent an increase of 3,570 workers in absolute numbers or a rise from 37 to 41 percent.
Production & related workers saw 11,330 or 48% made redundant, while clerical, sales & service workers saw 2,530 or 11% laid off.
The same report also found that re-employment had improved after hitting a low in the middle of the year, though re-employment for the year was still lower than in 2008.
The reasons for the high percentage of PMETs being laid off were not revealed, it is likely due to the easy availability of foreign workers in the Singapore labor market.
In other countries like Australia and New Zealand, there are strict labor laws in place governing the hiring of foreigners who can only be employed in sectors where there is an acute shortage of local workers.
In Singapore, foreigners are allowed to compete directly with Singaporeans for jobs which can otherwise be taken up by them such as the PMETs.
There is a scheme called the EPEC which allows foreign graduates from approved universities overseas to stay in Singapore up to a year to look for a job.
More shockingly, English is not a basic requirement for foreigners seeking jobs in Singapore unlike in other English-speaking nations which require them to pass a basic English proficiency test like IELTS.
Contact Singapore, a government agency even sent its officials to Taiwan lately to recruit a few thousand Taiwanese PMETs to work in Singapore.
Despite rising disgruntlement on the ground, the PAP continues to insist that foreigners are “essential” to Singapore.
Singaporeans are repeatedly exhorted by PAP leaders to compete with foreigners as the government cannot “shield” them from global competition.
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I thought Vivian Bala is anti PAP before he joined the party. how is it now he is singing the same tune with the party? how not to trusts the words of a politician.
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God. Stop complaining. If you're not getting hired it's all of a sudden the governments fault?
Have you maybe thought that you should have done better at school? Maybe gotten into the honour roll, or at least high honours?
And how is it foreigner's fault? That they're better than you were and so were offered jobs? Live with it. Singaporeans have a great advantage being that they actually live here. Foreigners have to adjust. The only ones that are able to work here deserve it. Most of them were scouted by the companies that hired them anyway.
If you don't like the PAP so much. Why do you keep voting for them?
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Originally posted by Caliburn:
4) God. Stop complaining. If you're not getting hired it's all of a sudden the governments fault?
1) Have you maybe thought that you should have done better at school? Maybe gotten into the honour roll, or at least high honours?
2) And how is it foreigner's fault? 3) That they're better than you were and so were offered jobs? Live with it. Singaporeans have a great advantage being that they actually live here. Foreigners have to adjust. The only ones that are able to work here deserve it. Most of them were scouted by the companies that hired them anyway.
If you don't like the PAP so much. Why do you keep voting for them?
1) TS is pessimistic towards landing a decent job after graduating from a local uni with mediocre grades and you're saying meybe she should have gotten into the honour roll? God how dumb can you be.... what about the rest of the population that could not even get into a local uni? Never thought so deep into it? Then stop regurgitating crap.2) How is it the foreigners fault? Well for a start competition for decent jobs is already stressful in small small Singapore and what do we have here? Foreigners.... why.... are wages so good that there is enough to share around with? I think not if local uni grads with mediocre grades are pessimistic.
3) "That they're better than you were and so were offered jobs? Live with it"
What are you implying? That the government does not care for the welfare of Singaporeans? ... Oh Singaporeans aren't as good as foreigners so lets get them into Singapore and give them jobs, Singaporeans can live with it since they aint good enough.
Hello ... who voted them in if not Singaporeans? Why are Singaporeans lazy? Or they not as cheap as China? Are we trying to compete with China in terms of cost of labour and then aspire to be the SEA Switzerland?
4) God. Stop complaining. If you're not getting hired it's all of a sudden the governments fault?
Who opened the floodgates to allow more of them in? All of a sudden.... no its not all of a sudden... read pt 5)
5) If you don't like the PAP so much. Why do you keep voting for them?
Because you dumb arse voted them....again ... and again... and again.
6) Anyway I don't think the PAP is that bad... but whatever reasons they aint telling... at least they have reduced importing foreign talents. But whatever it is, you'll just follow won't you Caliburn.
Stop complaining and just do it lol.
Why do foreigners say Singaporeans are given a red book by the government at birth.... got a question? refer to the red book. Got a mind of your own? Then stop taking news at facevalue and learn to regurgitate the shit into something meaningful and stop being an android.
Stormtrooper much Caliburn? ....eat shit Caliburn... good it does you.... the force commands it.
Kind Regards
Genie
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Well, this is the downside of the purely meritocratic system.
Today's papers: unemployment is going down. The MNC I working in is furiously hiring,
But one thing, I noticed all the new engineers coming in aren't Singaporeans. All.
That said, I also noticed the trend that more and more Singaporeans are not taking up the degree of engineering. Not only that, there are those armed with engineering degree who decided to be on the path of bankers. Eventually, this country's local engineers might dwindle even more.