angel7030,
they give many kinds of good food???u think PAP make laksa and roast duck rice???somemore food getting too expensive and salry too low in spore.even in vietnam, and ,alaysia gor 10cents real scallop on sale roasting by roadside!parks in spore not very nice except for east coast area only,good roads are because people complain left n right until they have no choice but to make it good if no one make noise the roads would look very much like some kampung with sand patches...besides roads in spore look alot like rthailand or indonesia or malaysia...no difference,medical care is paid for and not free,its not safe in spore...people runnin with axes in public places hammering everything they see n people runnin into train tracks.....is much worse in spore than in wild wild west australia.......we want a decent place in spore to live in...but thats way too hard for gov to control..in fact they make it worse every year...good as no gov.
life is up to me...so i demand and will mould spore into what it should be..a decent place to live in.
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herzog,
who is george bush???me is brain washed by PS2.....lousy gov i wont be able to buy any ps2 games in past!!i blame PAP for my lost years and opportunities!!!if i know im brain washed then its not brain washed ...in fact if i noticed it then it means i know its wrong or something is amisss so......their decades of brainwashing programs is a total failure....only make me think its ok when im a schoolkid but then at that time i already know at age 13 years old. the the spore gov didnt care and cared only for themselves.
Termie blames the government for everything even if Kenneth from RP takes over the reins. Blame them for the sky not raining, for termie not studying hard and ending up in ITE.
IF TERMIE NO STUDY HARD ,,,HARA KIRI.....THERE WILL BE NO SECOND CHANCE!
Its not really a matter of which party is in power, or which leader you're talking about. The entire system is corrupt at the fundamental level when you have hierarchies where power is concentrated at the top.
As long as differential advantage, meaning that those at the top have more money, power, authority etc, than those on the lower levels, there will always be corruption because of the need for self-preservation aka protecting vested interests against those wanting justice and progress.
And as always, history is written by the winners, those in power.
Unless we correct this fundamental flaw in our social, political and economic structure, the power elite will always engage in corrupt and abberant behaviour regardless which party is in power, whether its the WP or SDP etc etc.
Originally posted by freedomclub:Its not really a matter of which party is in power, or which leader you're talking about. The entire system is corrupt at the fundamental level when you have hierarchies where power is concentrated at the top.
So how? Direct democracy?
Power to the People: Communal Councils in Venezuela
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/1715
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
Communitarian Socialism in Bolivia
http://www.opendemocracy.net/roger-burbach/communitarian-socialism-in-bolivia
Communitarian ideology and democracy in Singapore
http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=iQeO5QRJXXsC&dq=
By Christopher Tremewan
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:So how? Direct democracy?
Power to the People: Communal Councils in Venezuela
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/1715
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
Communitarian Socialism in Bolivia
http://www.opendemocracy.net/roger-burbach/communitarian-socialism-in-bolivia
Singaporean communitarianism
Communitarian ideology and democracy in Singapore
http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=iQeO5QRJXXsC&dq=
The political economy of social control in Singapore
By Christopher Tremewan
If we ever want to transcend the current political and economic stratification, social divide etc, there is a need to see beyond the irrelevant ideologies of "democracy", "socialism", "communism", whatever "ism" that is prevalent in the political discourse.
There has to be a focus on what really matters, human survival and the environmental stewardship. And under the current paradigm where we ignore the above and focus solely on monetary profit, while trapped in a political and social paradigm that stresses competition, hierarchy and domination, there will never be human progress towards taking care of ourselves and our planet.
And that is what The Venus Project offers. While different countries operate under a different social context, the underlying mechanism of our societies remain fundamentally the same, and it is only be recognising and addressing the fundamental flaw can we ever hope to solve the problems of corruption, crime, poverty and war.
Originally posted by freedomclub:If we ever want to transcend the current political and economic stratification, social divide etc, there is a need to see beyond the irrelevant ideologies of "democracy", "socialism", "communism", whatever "ism" that is prevalent in the political discourse.
venus project also uses left wing rhetoric wah.
same thing, nothing new.
THE OBSOLETE MONEY SYSTEM - Jacque Fresco
http://www.revleft.com/vb/obsolete-money-system-t129549/index.html?t=129549&highlight=Venus+project
Venus project is just another interpretation of a communist society, although the founders deny it.
Originally posted by freedomclub:If we ever want to transcend the current political and economic stratification, social divide etc, there is a need to see beyond the irrelevant ideologies of "democracy", "socialism", "communism", whatever "ism" that is prevalent in the political discourse.
There has to be a focus on what really matters, human survival and the environmental stewardship. And under the current paradigm where we ignore the above and focus solely on monetary profit, while trapped in a political and social paradigm that stresses competition, hierarchy and domination, there will never be human progress towards taking care of ourselves and our planet.
And that is what The Venus Project offers. While different countries operate under a different social context, the underlying mechanism of our societies remain fundamentally the same, and it is only be recognising and addressing the fundamental flaw can we ever hope to solve the problems of corruption, crime, poverty and war.
Why bother explaining to a taiwanese instigator?
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:venus project also uses left wing rhetoric wah.
same thing, nothing new.
What do you mean "left wing rhetoric"?
And before you start posting URLs to articles and pasting walls of text, I would prefer if you explained in your own words.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Why bother explaining to a taiwanese instigator?
Why do you say that?
Originally posted by freedomclub:Why do you say that?
Vote PAP out to Save SG is a taiwanese hence he don't know and don't care about singaporeans.
Originally posted by freedomclub:What do you mean "left wing rhetoric"?
According to Fresco, poverty,crime, corruption and war are the result of scarcity created by the present world's profit-based economic system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_Project
Modern monopolist capitalism on a world-wide scale — imperialist wars are absolutely inevitable under such an economic system, as long as private property in the means of production exists.
Lenin, Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism (1920)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/quotes.htm
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:According to Fresco, poverty,crime, corruption and war are the result of scarcity created by the present world's profit-based economic system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_Project
Modern monopolist capitalism on a world-wide scale — imperialist wars are absolutely inevitable under such an economic system, as long as private property in the means of production exists.
Lenin, Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism (1920)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/quotes.htm
When did Lenin write that? 1920. In which context is Fresco making that statement. Presently, 2010.
Originally posted by freedomclub:When did Lenin write that? 1920. In which context is Fresco making that statement. Presently, 2010.
Even marxists will tell you that venus project is communism.
THE OBSOLETE MONEY SYSTEM - Jacque Fresco
http://www.revleft.com/vb/obsolete-money-system-t129549/index.html?t=129549&highlight=Venus+project
Hello miss chemistry of NUS,
Looks like you have been brainwashed by the opposition camp successfully. Go ahead you opposition and push PAP out of the government if you can.
Cos I will take back Singapore back from you opposition. But first , i wish u all luck in toppling PAP.
Frankly speaking, any tom dick harry can publish books here and there lah. Dun living in past history so much lah. Singapore has the lowest child mortality you know in the PRESENT.... DUh!!!
LKY is scheming is only you say, opposition says, and opposition books say what. Opposition books will of course say what they want to say like. You want the truth you need a judge to hold a trial for both sides to fight it all. Understand? Not opposition read their books and have their beliefs and PAP do the same... Wake up the idea lah.
Good luck.
Originally posted by january:Hello miss chemistry of NUS,
Looks like you have been brainwashed by the opposition camp successfully. Go ahead you opposition and push PAP out of the government if you can.
Cos I will take back Singapore back from you opposition. But first , i wish u all luck in toppling PAP.
Frankly speaking, any tom dick harry can publish books here and there lah. Dun living in past history so much lah. Singapore has the lowest child mortality you know in the PRESENT.... DUh!!!
LKY is scheming is only you say, opposition says, and opposition books say what. Opposition books will of course say what they want to say like. You want the truth you need a judge to hold a trial for both sides to fight it all. Understand? Not opposition read their books and have their beliefs and PAP do the same... Wake up the idea lah.
Good luck.
Why you support a traitor like Lee Kuan Yew?
He betrayed the british to japanese, he can also betray you.
His ancestors were Hakka, the Chinese tribesmen who migrated from northern China to Fujian and have a reputation for pugnacity and clannishness. Lee was a third generation Straits Chinese, however, and grew up speaking Malay, English and the Cantonese dialect of his family's maid.
Ever the pragmatist, he was later to teach himself Japanese, Mandarin and Hokkien as the political situation in Singapore required. During the Japanese occupation of Singapore he worked for a Japanese government propaganda department...
http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990823/lee1.html
"Now, from all the already released records in London as well as other historical researches, it is clear that in launching Operation Cold Store, Lee Kuan Yew was serving the then strategic interests of Britain which wanted Singapore to continue to provide a forward military base in Southeast Asia," said Lim
"It is also now an undeniable fact that Lee worked earlier for the Japanese military during the Occupation making Britain's English materials available in Japanese-language for the occupiers," he added.
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:Even marxists will tell you that venus project is communism.
THE OBSOLETE MONEY SYSTEM - Jacque Fresco
http://www.revleft.com/vb/obsolete-money-system-t129549/index.html?t=129549&highlight=Venus+project
Ok, if you insist on the association, tell me, where in The Venus Project do you find any mention of class warfare?
Obviously, there are differences between the two, just like they exist in different social contexts which make the labelling of both as "communist" inaccurate.
And even if TVP is a communist idea, so what? Do you exist in a dualist paradigm where democracy=good and communist=evil?
Originally posted by freedomclub:Ok, if you insist on the association, tell me, where in The Venus Project do you find any mention of class warfare?
Obviously, there are differences between the two, just like they exist in different social contexts which make the labelling of both as "communist" inaccurate.
And even if TVP is a communist idea, so what? Do you exist in a dualist paradigm where democracy=good and communist=evil?
Just want to stress that ideas in venus project, Zeitgeist etc are left wing ideas and nothing new.
Some marxists for example, see zeitgeist as a more backward version of marxism.
Anyway, these things are not pragmatic to me regarding political situation in Singapore, what is pragmatic to me is how to topple PAP repressive rule.
What is pragmatic is when Lee Kuan Yew is going to die.
These are the serious issues for any politically minded Singaporean.
Lost in words to talk about the ruling party. No sufficient vocab can full describe their ways
Hope they be booted out in one of the generations. Leave no member to be in the parliament
Originally posted by Terminator Hitman:angel7030,
they give many kinds of good food???u think PAP make laksa and roast duck rice???somemore food getting too expensive and salry too low in spore.even in vietnam, and ,alaysia gor 10cents real scallop on sale roasting by roadside!parks in spore not very nice except for east coast area only,good roads are because people complain left n right until they have no choice but to make it good if no one make noise the roads would look very much like some kampung with sand patches...besides roads in spore look alot like rthailand or indonesia or malaysia...no difference,medical care is paid for and not free,its not safe in spore...people runnin with axes in public places hammering everything they see n people runnin into train tracks.....is much worse in spore than in wild wild west australia.......we want a decent place in spore to live in...but thats way too hard for gov to control..in fact they make it worse every year...good as no gov.
life is up to me...so i demand and will mould spore into what it should be..a decent place to live in.
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Obesity in Singapore are growing at 5 to7 % per years, so is Singapore cost of food expensive?? if so, how come most food court, hawker centres and even restuarant are jam packed during weekends and holiday. With your earning power here, in fact you are living in a cheap society. Cheaper than Malaysia.
Take comparison of a man earning 2k sing dollars and a man in malaysia earning 2k Ringgits.
Singapore char kuay teow is only $3 sing dollars, in malaysia it is $5 ringgits.
Even if you eat steamboat buffet, singapore is $25, malayisa is $45 ringgits
Drinks in Singapore selling in hawker centre is $1 for sugar cane drink, malaysia is $2 ringgits
Originally posted by angel7030:Obesity in Singapore are growing at 5 to7 % per years, so is Singapore cost of food expensive?? if so, how come most food court, hawker centres and even restuarant are jam packed during weekends and holiday. With your earning power here, in fact you are living in a cheap society. Cheaper than Malaysia.
Take comparison of a man earning 2k sing dollars and a man in malaysia earning 2k Ringgits.
Singapore char kuay teow is only $3 sing dollars, in malaysia it is $5 ringgits.
Even if you eat steamboat buffet, singapore is $25, malayisa is $45 ringgits
Drinks in Singapore selling in hawker centre is $1 for sugar cane drink, malaysia is $2 ringgits
you are so good in disrupting discussion.
ARe u mona the mamasan :http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_533141.html
Originally posted by hasene:
you are so good in disrupting discussion.ARe u mona the mamasan :http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_533141.html
me talking logic mah, the other day, i was talking to a malaysian client who come here drinking with her friends, i told her that malaysia cost of living is much cheaper than singapore, she replied no, in fact, malaysia cost of living is higher in term of earning and spending power within each individual country, and that is where she quote me the example. I find it very logic. A 2k man in malaysia would dry up his paid sooner than a Singaporean earning 2k.
Originally posted by angel7030:
me talking logic mah, the other day, i was talking to a malaysian client who come here drinking with her friends, i told her that malaysia cost of living is much cheaper than singapore, she replied no, in fact, malaysia cost of living is higher in term of earning and spending power within each individual country, and that is where she quote me the example. I find it very logic. A 2k man in malaysia would dry up his paid sooner than a Singaporean earning 2k.
You want to talk, go start your thread. It is ill mannered of you to interrupt threads.
Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:Just want to stress that ideas in venus project, Zeitgeist etc are left wing ideas and nothing new.
Some marxists for example, see zeitgeist as a more backward version of marxism.
Anyway, these things are not pragmatic to me regarding political situation in Singapore, what is pragmatic to me is how to topple PAP repressive rule.
What is pragmatic is when Lee Kuan Yew is going to die.
These are the serious issues for any politically minded Singaporean.
Whatever you want to call it. TVP transcends current political ideology and structures.
Sure, in a typical Singaporean way, your direction is "pragmatic". However, it still does not address the core problem causing most of the our social, economic and political problems. I'm talking about the larger aspect of all these political divisions and economic stratification which is a monetary system.
Even if LKY dies, so what? The system of corruption and self-preservation that forms the basis of our society and world is still going to remain. And even if PAP is voted out, nothing fundamental changes. The hierarchy still remains, and with it, massive inequality and suffering.