I dont get it with all these "i hate singapore" crap
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hello,
look if some of u haters hate singapore that much then go to other country la, be a "PR" on other nation. I dont get it, i know this place is all about expressing our views on singapore but it looks like u all insulting more than praising. All these pure rage offensive words and these "fuck pap" talk, u guys actually think that posting in sgforums can help? u think the goverment actually come in speaker corners?
Everyone has a good and bad things. But looks like u guys ONLY see the negative side of singapore. Not even one bit of the positive side here. The good people from singapore here are trying to put singapore outside this name known as "one little dot or 'isn't that a part of china' crap". By organizing youth olympics, put up in the top 10 of the best economy around asia, try bringing in tourist attraction by creating IR, universal studio and some others. Come on, we have our very own vegas here. Yes i know our money may have sometimes involve in these (like some of u said) but u think the goverment just going to leave it be? They confirm thinking of ways to earn back our money and such like for example, that money from the goverment that they give us, remember?
U guys just complain like as if the goverment are abusing us. U think they like taking our money? they are humans too u know. All of these has some disadvantage and flaws if they do some certain actions. So they need to think ahead. U think this important role is easy? THIS ISN'T EMPIRE EARTH OR WORLD OF WARCRAFT. THIS IS REAL LIFE. I dont mind reading some critics here and there but this is too much and i never expected it to be in a forum. There i rest my statement here. For those who agree of what i said
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May 1, 2010
1. Lee Hsien Loong, Prime Minister, Singapore
Annual salary: $2.75 million
The highest-paid politician by a staggering margin, Lee Hsien Loong has often defended his extravagant salary. In a recent U.S. trip, Loong highlighted how American politicians, because of their low annual salaries, may have other interests — future pursuits, perhaps — that could distract them from their public service. "Our attitude is: you must pay for the quality of the person you want," he said of his high earnings. "You want the best person and you want him to be properly motivated." Still, rhetoric aside, there are many who justly suggest Loong's annual income is far too high for governing Singapore, a tiny nation of less than five million people. The P.M.'s salary of $2.75 million per year is more than 80 times that of the average Singaporean family.
http://money.ca.msn.com/savings-debt/gallery/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=24079420&page=10
7. Stephen Harper, Prime Minister, Canada
Annual salary: $309,800
Canadians are world class when it comes to grieving about taxes. And who could blame us? Last year, according to the Fraser Institute, the average Canadian family lost 42 per cent of their household income to taxes. Because of this, the ire of the Canuck taxpayer always falls on figures with public salaries, and no such official earns more in Canada than Harper. Wherever you stand on the P.M.'s annual salary — is it too much, or too little? — the Conservative leader earns a wide margin more than the average Canadian. As of the last census, full-time Canadian workers made an average of only $41,401 each year.
http://money.ca.msn.com/savings-debt/gallery/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=24079420&page=4
March 4, 2010
Political salaries revealed: Are we paying too much?
Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced in his recent throne speech that the government will table legislation to freeze the pay of the prime minister, cabinet ministers, MPs and senators. What will this actually mean in dollar terms? Probably not much. According to the Canadian Press, the 1.5 per cent wage increase that the 308 MPs and 105 senators received last year amounted to a total burden on governemnt of about $1 million. A one-year wage freeze is not likely to put much of a dent in the deficit or the pockets of our representatives, especially considering how much federal salaries have increased in the past 10 years. Here's a look at the basics of federal salaries, and a comparison to what they were in 2000 (calculations do not include non-taxable expense allowances, pensions or travel allowances).
http://money.ca.msn.com/savings-debt/gallery/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=23577097
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well, the way I see it, U take the haters (regulars) u see here, minus by the population in sgp, and U get those who like sgp..
so whose winning?? :)
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And how much percent of that earning is going to the taxpayers and not to the salaries of our highly paid minsters?
Btw hating Singapore is different from hating PAP.
Isn't a government suppose to be servants to the citizens? Is that the situation with our government?
Don't you find it absurd that one of the minsters said they are deaf to criticisms?
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Because you are also another elitist and a YPAP member so that's why you say all these. So get out of your comfort zone and put yourselves into the shoes of the disgruntled Singaporeans!
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they progress at the expense of the educated and highly skilled workforce degree or diploma.
while they ride in their aircon cars in their comfortable clothes i walk for a few km from the nearest mrt station to home......the buses take too long unlike a car.
while they think of how to spend their $$$$$$ i end up starving to death in singapore.
while they spend and tax....i end up unable to see my future.
while they keep their jobs after 40 years old...i end up living with a singapore employer culture and evolution that says 40 years old is too old for any job.if retrenched or sacked for no reason....chances are slim for over 40 years old job culture.
while they eat their huge lobsters ,i eat canned food and rot in hell.
with hardwerk ,education and 101 upgrading courses taken....it still brought me nowhere....while some hardwerk ,education and no upgrading has broughht them $million dollar salary.
was anyone brought up to suffer this way?
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dare82, u hate PAP doesn't mean i say anything that u being a member of the anti-pap gang if there is.
And i dont want to repeat myself, "u think this important role is easy?" try understand this right and put yourselves into their shoes. I'm just a normal citizen working as a clerk and yes, my salary is low but i bet my salary lower than yours because i'm just here to part-time as an assistant here like filing up forms and stuff. We all have similar objectives here, work for food, enjoyment, live a normal life etc. The only difference between us two is that i can see the tough time the goverment go through. I repeat the statement again, "each move they make, there's flaw and some disadvantage so they need to think ahead". U guys mostly complaining about what? they taking your money? That is purely pathetic. If they take away your home i understand but money? if they taking your money, u will be starved to death and be feed on grass.
Just a small amount of money they took and u guys make a big fuss. Have u guys even seen what saddam hussein does to the citizens in iraq? have u seen places like africa? We live here so comfortable with air-cons, civilised country, sentosa resort etc yet people in africa suffer earthquakes, economy but hey look, i dont think they whine as much as u guys do. Is best that our goverment trying to help us here and u guys dont feel one bit appreciated. We already live in a mini-version of USA here... somesort like that and what more u can ask? more money? is that the only thing u guys think about?
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THEY COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS IN THE PAST BY LETTIN IN LESS FOREIGN WORKERS BACK IN 1990S N POSSIBLY IN 1980S.
NOW ITS TOO LATE.NO MORE JOBS FOR EVERYONE......AND WHEN THERES A JOB,I HAD TO FIGHT SO HARD WITH CHINAMAN AFTER NATIONAL SERVICE UNTIL I HAD NO MORE SPACE LEFT...........ALL THE HARDWERK AND EDUCATION I HAD TO ENDURE TO OBTAIN NO RESULTS AFTER DECADES OF UPGRADING AFTER UPGRADING!
U BE DAMN LUCKY SPORE DONT GO INTOM A CIVIL WAR...FORGET ABOUT RECESSION.....THINK OF CIVIL WAR!!!.
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Originally posted by Hitman+:
THEY COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS IN THE PAST BY LETTIN IN LESS FOREIGN WORKERS BACK IN 1990S N POSSIBLY IN 1980S.
NOW ITS TOO LATE.NO MORE JOBS FOR EVERYONE......AND WHEN THERES A JOB,I HAD TO FIGHT SO HARD WITH CHINAMAN AFTER NATIONAL SERVICE UNTIL I HAD NO MORE SPACE LEFT...........ALL THE HARDWERK AND EDUCATION I HAD TO ENDURE TO OBTAIN NO RESULTS AFTER DECADES OF UPGRADING AFTER UPGRADING!
U BE DAMN LUCKY SPORE DONT GO INTOM A CIVIL WAR...FORGET ABOUT RECESSION.....THINK OF CIVIL WAR!!!.
$$$ comes first. No civil war. Civil war later get injured, need go hospital pay medical bills... waste $$$... LOL..
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btw.. many people who don't think properly equate the MIW with Singapore itself...
after all that ranting, they are part of the problem and they have become the very zombies the MIW created... who cannot differentiate between the MIW and the country...
i hate the MIW.. but i love the country.. and if you look at the past topics, many idiots in the SC cannot reconcile the two facts and i am labelled a PAP running dog..
just like many idiots in the SC cannot reconcile the fact that i hate the MIW and i also hate some assholes in the opposition...
sadly, the ranters do the work for the MIW themselves... people out there equate these idiots with the good opposition who fight the good fight... and between the MIW and these idiots, who would allow their country to be given to the hands of the idiots? the MIW is the lesser of the two evils...
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It's always easy to compare Singapore with countries in Africa than to compare it with USA...
And I repeat my question again: "Isn't a government suppose to be servants to the citizens? Is that the situation with our government?"
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Naturally speaking grumbling and complaining is part and parcel of humans, they grumble and complain on anything, fair or not fair. I believe this one of the few outlet for them to grumble and complaints. Today coffee shops are full of foreigners, grumbling there, no one listen or bother, Hong Lim park need apply for licence, and anything more than two peoples grumbling and complaining about the govt together is consider an offence. So, this maybe the only outlet for them to vent their anger and speak their mind, if we stop it, IMH is going to be overloaded.
Anyway, as i counted, only a few are here everyday telling us abt PAP History and unfairness of govt, it dun matter much. I would suggest you let them be as most are not young and will not be grumbling for long...on the other hands, if they really get out of here and stop grumbling and complaining, then i may lose my job here.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
It's always easy to compare Singapore with countries in Africa than to compare it with USA...
And I repeat my question again: "Isn't a government suppose to be servants to the citizens? Is that the situation with our government?"
Isn't it that you vote for them to be your master too? -
ANGRY WITH SPORE GOV!WHY??
REASON:
GO TO THE SHOPS...BUYS THE CHEAPEST AND OLDEST LOUSY LCD TV ONLY TO FIND OUT THERES NO MORE SAVINGS LEFT AFTER BUYING THE TV.ENDS UP DUE TO LOW SALARY THATS GOT TOO MANY FOREIGN WORKERS SPOILING SALARY MARKET.THEIR LOW PAY ENABLES THEM TO BUY 2 LCD TV IN CHINA OR INDIA AND WITH PLENTY LEFTOVER.
DUE TO LACK OF TIME AND AN IMPENDING FEELING OF DAMAGED MARKET VALUE.....HATRED IS BLAMED ON GOV WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPROVING JOB N SALARY MARKET.
BUT I DUN SEE ANY IMPROVEMENT SINCE THE 1980S...MAR KET VALUE SEEMS TO BE DROPPING EVERY YEAR SINCE 1980S.
THAT IS WHY RIOTS AND ANGER WILL BE MADE IN SPORE...JOBS AND JOB SALARY.GURKHA RIOT POLICE WONT FIGHT.WHO WANTS TO FIGHT WITH PEOPLE WHO HASNT EATEN ANYTHING SINCE 1980S??U WANNA FIGHT WITH ANGRY PEOPLE SINCE THE 1980S?????
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Isn't it that you vote for them to be your master too?I didn't vote them in, maybe my grandparents...
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THEY DUN NEED VOTES...JUST SOME GIRLS IN BIKINI WITH A PLACARD SAYING ROUND 3.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
I didn't vote them in, maybe my grandparents...
Then vote them out this time round lah. Blame who? your ah ma and ah kong ar?? -
Originally posted by Hitman+:
ANGRY WITH SPORE GOV!WHY??
REASON:
GO TO THE SHOPS...BUYS THE CHEAPEST AND OLDEST LOUSY LCD TV ONLY TO FIND OUT THERES NO MORE SAVINGS LEFT AFTER BUYING THE TV.ENDS UP DUE TO LOW SALARY THATS GOT TOO MANY FOREIGN WORKERS SPOILING SALARY MARKET.THEIR LOW PAY ENABLES THEM TO BUY 2 LCD TV IN CHINA OR INDIA AND WITH PLENTY LEFTOVER.
DUE TO LACK OF TIME AND AN IMPENDING FEELING OF DAMAGED MARKET VALUE.....HATRED IS BLAMED ON GOV WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPROVING JOB N SALARY MARKET.
BUT I DUN SEE ANY IMPROVEMENT SINCE THE 1980S...MAR KET VALUE SEEMS TO BE DROPPING EVERY YEAR SINCE 1980S.
THAT IS WHY RIOTS AND ANGER WILL BE MADE IN SPORE...JOBS AND JOB SALARY.GURKHA RIOT POLICE WONT FIGHT.WHO WANTS TO FIGHT WITH PEOPLE WHO HASNT EATEN ANYTHING SINCE 1980S??U WANNA FIGHT WITH ANGRY PEOPLE SINCE THE 1980S?????
no money, buy what LCD??? cannot use the old one meh, got so many free one giving away at the CC for the old, no money, go coffeeshop watch TV lah.
No money also want to buy LCD...haiz, no wonder poor lah
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The government is too big man it should drastically reduce its size and power and just let people be; stop interferring with people's lives for the sake of their bloody GDP.Then people wont complain. It worked in the past but it wont anymore.
And stop pretending you dont need us.. When all of SG's economic lifeblood bleeds away lets see if you can continue to dare us leave
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i'm singaporean, and i hate Singapore!
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butbutbut I think singapore is great. it sucks in quite a few ways, but if you travel to several countries you will learn to appreciate that we are very fortunate people.
I think people can generally be classified into 2 halves. I call them the half empty and half full... like the glass. the haters see only the bad, ignore the good and condemn that singapore sucks. or else, they are less exposed, and haven't had the opportunity to see the ugly things about the world.
and I don't even mean war, sickness, poverty, and all those clear cut examples. I mean I'm talking about things which we take for granted like safety, cleanliness and a relatively decent freedom of speech - ok so we don't have complete freedom, but many countries face terrible censorship from the government.
I think if one is objective, one would see that the glass in SG is more than half full. Just that people being people, many of us are natural pessimists, either that or we are simply not as exposed. Ironically, not being exposed to the world (and we aren't the worst either. A study by National Geographic a few years back showed that many Americans couldn't identify on the map, Mexico, which is just below US, Japan, and Iraq, which is a country they were at war with for years.) is perhaps the country's fault, but that doesn't mean that the country sucks.
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I don't hate singapore. Singapore is my home, so it should not be me who should get the fark out.
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I don't think many people are complaining about Singapore the country per se.
It's more about the government and high cost of living.
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My biggest wonder is why kovan food centre and wet market must undergo major renovation works before every general election.
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I read this analogy in another forum by another forumer. I think I can use it here.
It's like paying top dollar for a luxury car. Everything is good and nice - nice leather seats, nice wheels, good steering, nice finishing and interior etc. The problem is that the brake system is faulty. But will the driver think it's okay because heck, majority of the car is fine and dandy, it's ok with a little faulty brake system.
It's the same situation with Singapore. We pay top dollar for our ministers. Most of the things are more or less fine and dandy. A "bit" of imperfections here and there - MS escaping, high cost of living, low wages, liberal immigration policies, expensive HDB flats, billion dollars lost in investments with no public accountability - but heck we have a nice country with no natural disasters, nice shiny buildings, nice public transport, everything is clean and nice.
Guess people are not justified in asking for improvements to the system or that their interests and welfare are protected after paying top dollar?
I know the driver of the luxury car will kpkb to the car dealer if he finds out about the faulty brake. He sure as hell won't say, it's ok, since the rest of the car looks ok.