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Originally posted by angel7030:
According to my understanding in my research in modern history of singapore,
Foreigners working in Singapore is not a new issue, in the early industrialisation of our nation, we already got lots of foreigners, good, skillful, educated and well mannered foreigners we called them expatriates, and they have been with us for so many years, mentoring us on how work is to be done. They are the top level talented foreigners from Britain, Japan, Germany, Holland, France and USA. These are what we want, these are the real crucial peoples who will really help to expand our economy, our lifestyle and our Productivity. And, if you look at it, during these period, from late 60s to early 90s, we learned and relearned from them, there were no shortage of Singaporeans taking up jobs, and the most we had were foreign maids, yet we have record double digits GDP in almost most of the years except the mid 80s recession. There were no issue about foreigners, we worked hard, we were very productive, reaching high productivity level of 30 to 50% compare to a mere negative or a pathetic 0.1% of today productivity. We justified our wages of that time, which lag behind productivity, meaning we deserve that kind of paid and yet company is earning. We should have kept those foreigner peoples, the real talented ones to stay and make a living here, yet after the mid 90s..one by one left..if you look at those school, the jap, french, german, etc etc schools are getting less intake or some closing down, you know that they had left, because simply, they feel that Singapore govt is attracting the wrong peoples in, and they would not want to be a part of it.
In comparing with today, what are we attracting?? for that you can see it yourself on the street? are they really helping us or helping themselves, did our productivity goes up higher because of them, and more importantly, have our wages increase or decrease with the ever higher and higher cost of living?? If wages is suppose to lag behind productivity, why are our govt taking so high a paid when productivity was at a negative stage??
I am not saying that attracting foreigners is wrong or right, it is not a new issue, but the differences of yesterday attraction and today is a total difference in the substance of what we attracted. Yesterday foreigners are very well talented, respected our culture, teaches and make us a better nation, today foreigners are a bunch of peoples who are helping themselve more than helping us. And if Goh Tong Tong is asking them to blend into us, I think he must be go now to Chinatown or Serangoon to look for himself, or even my place in Geyland and Joo Chiat, the reverse is true, Singaporeans are blending themselve into foreign culture from India, China, Mynamar and philippine more than foreigners blending into us.
If the foreign intake policy is not relook into it, a backlash can be true, and by that time, the returns can be diseaster leading to cultural revolution, internal strifes and total identity chaos in near future when all groups are formed to retaliate each other for supremacy.
Thanks you
Angel
Modern History undergraduate
JCU
another Sunday thrash......spilling in this forum. So what happen to your cheaper, faster, better policies....
go read your uncle atobe's thread :
Does the financial returns justify the social and economic burden to the Singapore population ?
Living within our means remains an Asian Value - and it seems to have been forgotten when it should never have been lost.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
another Sunday thrash......spilling in this forum. So what happen to your cheaper, faster, better policies....
i thot u r going to commend me on my paper, me failed miserably, cos lecturer also Govt inclined.Cheaper, better and faster is just a slogan, a govt motivator tool, the hindersight is productivity, but many do not comprehend it, this lead to certain misunderstand into employing cheaper foreign labour resulting in better labour saving cost, and certainly generate faster profit. Most of today profiting organisation are not looking for a long term returns, more like a hit and run organisation, therefore, today way of working do not look into loyality and long term employment. Organisation changes within 10 to 20 years rather in older times, organisation wer make to last a century.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
i thot u r going to commend me on my paper, me failed miserably, cos lecturer also Govt inclined.Cheaper, better and faster is just a slogan, a govt motivator tool, the hindersight is productivity, but many do not comprehend it, this lead to certain misunderstand into employing cheaper foreign labour resulting in better labour saving cost, and certainly generate faster profit. Most of today profiting organisation are not looking for a long term returns, more like a hit and run organisation, therefore, today way of working do not look into loyality and long term employment. Organisation changes within 10 to 20 years rather in older times, organisation wer make to last a century.
The agenda of a Taiwanese 'hum' in this SgForum was clearly stated by itself - ‘to make sure the audience moving/divert toward you’ (*1)
Is it any surprise to see that the efforts of the resident CBM here is obviously to sabotage the thread with its flippant and irrelevant replies, and get all attempts at serious discussion to be driven off track - simply to bring attention to its own stupidity ?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all it can do is to flap in rapturous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
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kind of miss the above post
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Originally posted by angel7030:
kind of miss the above post
, what a beautiful sunday.The agenda of a Taiwanese 'hum' in this SgForum was clearly stated by itself - ‘to make sure the audience moving/divert toward you’ (*1)
Is it any surprise to see that the efforts of the resident CBM here is obviously to sabotage the thread with its flippant and irrelevant replies, and get all attempts at serious discussion to be driven off track - simply to bring attention to its own stupidity ?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all it can do is to flap in rapturous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
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Originally posted by Avfyrais satkäring:
S'poreans must not create an image that new immigrants are not welcomed: SM Goh
SINGAPORE: Singaporeans should not create the image that immigrants are not welcomed in the country.
Speaking at a gathering for new residents in Marine Parade on Saturday, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong also urged new Singaporeans and permanent residents to play their part to make their community a better place to live in.
Residents are showing the way of how people in the community can bond. They also play games to break the ice and tear down barriers.
Within the neighbourhood, the list of activities that bring people is growing.
Among the many activities available at the Marine Parade Community Club to help integrate new Singapore citizens and permanent residents is an international cooking class. It's called the colourful chefs of Marine Parade where a group of citizens from Marine Parade have gotten together to share their cooking cultures with one another.
Senior Minister Goh said these programmes have one objective.
He said: "Whether a place is a nice place to live in or not depends on the people. And it depends on how we put in the effort to know one another and make this into a homely place."
This process has to be two-way and the onus is also on new immigrants and permanent residents to share and give.
Mr Goh said: "If they come into Singapore and convey the impression that they are a community apart, they are not part of us and they are here just to take from Singapore and not give back, then sooner or later, the pressure on them will be great. In other words, Singaporeans will say why take them in, they are not contributing.”
The advice to immigrants and new citizens - move fast.
SM Goh added: "The immigrants who come in must very quickly absorb the norms and values of Singaporeans. Learn to speak English if you can't speak. You have to communicate and service Singaporeans to reach out to Singaporeans. As you become part of us, the next generation, your children, they will now study in our schools and will be very much like any other Singaporean."
This readiness to integrate was very much alive in 70 new residents and their families who were at the gathering to get to know their grassroots leaders and neighbours better.
Tun Zow Myint, New Singapore citizen from Myanmar, said: "My parents knew that Singapore is a very safe place for us to move around and very close to home as well. The education system is one of the top class in the world. That's why we stick around in Singapore and bring them up here in Singapore as well."
Mr Goh added that Singapore has to tackle the challenge of a declining population by topping up with immigrants.
But it can be selective and ensure that those who came in contributed more.
Mr Goh stressed that Singapore is not alone in attracting foreign talent to sink their roots in the country.
New Zealand has a project to attract Singaporeans to work study and live there.
Currently, some 4,500 Singaporeans had applied for different visas to the country, while statistics from Australia's Immigration Department showed that the country's now home to some 50,000 Singaporeans. - CNA/vm*Refer to parts in bold*
Are they going to understand or even listen/read what he said in the first place?
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for Baba, no need
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wah lah, we still need to welcome "them"
must lay red carpet or not.
what benefit did i get in return - only expensive std of living and more crowds thronging the street only
for dimwit, fabc dirty business only
for others, more population = more gdp = more salaries
some one mention:" where and what you want to eat, hawker centre, food court or restaurant".
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Originally posted by angel7030:
for Baba, no need
The agenda of the Taiwanese 'hum' is obvious to disrupt the SgForum with its low level frivolous idiocy.Is the Taiwanese 'hum' given a "carte blanche" to disrupt as it pleases with its idiocy and without any intervention ?
How did the Taiwanese 'hum' manage to post two replies at the same time when there is a 30 second bar between postings ?
S’poreans must not create an image that new immigrants are n - 04 Apr ’10 –10.53AM
Undersea nuke power plant in SG southern islands – 04 Apr ’10 – 10.53AM
The agenda of a Taiwanese 'hum' in this SgForum was clearly stated by itself - ‘to make sure the audience moving/divert toward you’ (*1)
Is it any surprise to see that the efforts of the resident CBM here is obviously to sabotage the thread with its flippant and irrelevant replies, and get all attempts at serious discussion to be driven off track - simply to bring attention to its own stupidity ?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all it can do is to flap in rapturous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
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hahaha..now u know who i am hor...the special one.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
hahaha..now u know who i am hor...the special one.
The agenda of a Taiwanese 'hum' in this SgForum was clearly stated by itself - ‘to make sure the audience moving/divert toward you’ (*1)
Is it any surprise to see that the efforts of the resident CBM here is obviously to sabotage the thread with its flippant and irrelevant replies, and get all attempts at serious discussion to be driven off track - simply to bring attention to its own stupidity ?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all it can do is to flap in rapturous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
The agenda of the Taiwanese 'hum' is obvious to disrupt the SgForum with its low level frivolous idiocy.Is the Taiwanese 'hum' given a "carte blanche" to disrupt as it pleases with its idiocy and without any intervention ?
How did the Taiwanese 'hum' manage to post two replies at the same time when there is a 30 second bar between postings ?
Uncle,
You are a very smart and clever man, but unfortunately, you used it on the wrong side of the midnight, i hope you understand my statement here.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Uncle,
You are a very smart and clever man, but unfortunately, you used it on the wrong side of the midnight, i hope you understand my statement here.
The agenda of the Taiwanese 'hum' is obvious to disrupt the SgForum with its low level frivolous idiocy.It is obvious that the moderators have given Taiwanese 'hum' a "carte blanche" to disrupt as it pleases with its idiocy and without any intervention.
How did the Taiwanese 'hum' manage to post two replies at the same time when there is a 30 second bar between postings ?
S’poreans must not create an image that new immigrants are n - 04 Apr ’10 –10.53AM
Undersea nuke power plant in SG southern islands – 04 Apr ’10 – 10.53AM
It is not a surprise that the Taiwan 'hum' will continue to agitate by flapping its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ to taunt in total idiocy - ‘hahaha..now u know who i am hor...the special one.’ (*1)
The agenda of a Taiwanese 'hum' in this SgForum was clearly stated by itself - ‘to make sure the audience moving/divert toward you’ (*2)
Is it any surprise to see that the efforts of the resident CBM here is obviously to sabotage the thread with its flippant and irrelevant replies, and get all attempts at serious discussion to be driven off track - simply to bring attention to its own stupidity ?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all it can do is to flap in rapturous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
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oh shit, we still need to consider "their feeling".
speechless!
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speechless then why u speech?? diam diam lah, talk like this, you also cannot do anything, talk like that, you also cannot do anything...remember what my Uncle taught you or not, his basic Nos 1 theory, nos 1 can do anything they like.
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dimwit, go and bath inside the cesspit everyday
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The agenda of the Taiwanese 'hum' is obvious to disrupt the SgForum with its low level frivolous idiocy.
It is also very obvious that the moderators have given Taiwanese 'hum' a "carte blanche" to disrupt as it pleases with its idiocy and without any intervention.
How did the Taiwanese 'hum' manage to post two replies at the same time when there is a 30 second bar between postings ?
S’poreans must not create an image that new immigrants are n - 04 Apr ’10 –10.53AM
Undersea nuke power plant in SG southern islands – 04 Apr ’10 – 10.53AM
The agenda of a Taiwanese 'hum' in this SgForum was clearly stated by itself - ‘to make sure the audience moving/divert toward you’ (*1)
Is it any surprise to see that the efforts of the resident CBM here is obviously to sabotage the thread with its flippant and irrelevant replies, and get all attempts at serious discussion to be driven off track - simply to bring attention to its own stupidity ?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all it can do is to flap in rapturous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
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Originally posted by mancha:
Hypothetically, if the PAP were to ban all foreigners from coming to Singapore to work and live. Singapore would have full employement because the enterprises in Singapore would need all the manpower available, only Singaporeans. The economy cannot expand because of manpower shortage. Also the quality would fall because Singaporeans would know that they have titanium rice bowls. Singapore would be stagnant. Everything would be on hold. You wait for the Singaporean to come and provide you the service you need.
Then the detractors who are voicing their disapproval of the foreigners now, would be singing an opposite tune. They would be saying that the PAP are stupid in not opening the doors to foreigners as the economy need to be expanded, and the manpower is required.
The economy need to be expanded to the max possible, so that we can have the widest choice possible in goods and services.
Please do not be mistaken. Singaporeans are not against foreigners and we do not want zero foreigners.What we are against is flooding of foreigners. Singapore has been importing foreigners for the past two decades to grow the economy and there has never been so much grouses like now. The problem with the govt's policy is the uncontrolled immigration that span over 2006-2009, which created a huge range of problems such as shortage of beds in hospital, unplanned supply of flats and overcrowding in the public transport system etc...
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Originally posted by Calvin86:
Please do not be mistaken. Singaporeans are not against foreigners and we do not want zero foreigners.What we are against is flooding of foreigners. Singapore has been importing foreigners for the past two decades to grow the economy and there has never been so much grouses like now. The problem with the govt's policy is the uncontrolled immigration that span over 2006-2009, which created a huge range of problems such as shortage of beds in hospital, unplanned supply of flats and overcrowding in the public transport system etc...
This is as good as Singapore being run by the British more than 50 years ago again!
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Originally posted by dare82:
This is as good as Singapore being run by the British more than 50 years ago again!
Not true.
The Brits quarantined all immigrants at St John Island and deported back many undesirable ones.
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what calvin says is right
when i was in secondary, foreign friends mean few from Indonesia, few from Taiwan, India, Vietnam
when i study uni, its whole bunch of PRCs, Vietnamese with their bright red shirt with yellow stars, Indians
u begin to wander if you are the foreigner there and not them, and they totally upset the already little culture that we have
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Perhaps the topic should be to make Singaporeans feel welcome, not the other way round. Singaporeans don't feel at home anymore in their own country.
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They are taking turns to talk about Singaporeans and foreigners. Who's next on the list? All these despots with one track mind unfit to take care of Singaporeans.
I have no qualms if they come to Singapore without affecting our jobs and people. GCT is not a commoner who go through the same problems as the people and it's just purely what's up in his small mind to blabber words that are of one track mind.
Singaporeans are happily paying him world class salary to talk cock.
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Originally posted by Dondontan:
They are taking turns to talk about Singaporeans and foreigners. Who's next on the list? All these despots with one track mind unfit to take care of Singaporeans.
I have no qualms if they come to Singapore without affecting our jobs and people. GCT is not a commoner who go through the same problems as the people and it's just purely what's up in his small mind to blabber words that are of one track mind.
Singaporeans are happily paying him world class salary to talk cock.
They flood our nation with foreigners with the excuse we need "FT"s, we put up with them...
They shift the blame onto us when they cock up and/or we voice out our opinions, we put up with it...
The PAP youth wing join the blaming game, we put up with it...
The "FT"s they brought in start attacking us verbally, I thought bloody hell, we should start fighting back but we put up with this...
Do they know that when you shake a soft drink bottle vigorously, it will explode in their faces? There is a limit to our, locals, patience and they just kept trying to provoke us with words with actions...like a child poking a cat with a stick...when will we reach our limit?
