Has CSJ lied?Chiam See Tong was kicked out by CSJ:Mrs Chiam.

• lionnoisy

  28 Mar 10, 22:16

  Chee Soon Juan CSJ lied, if u believe Mrs Chiam See Tong 詹时中.

  In a recent zao bao interview Chee Soon Juan CSJ claimed that when Chiam

  resigned from  the post of Secretary-General of SDP,

  CSJ had repeatedly tried to persuade Chiam  to stay , but Chiam insisted to resign.

  here is Mrs Chiam story.

  She said Chee called for a disciplinary meeting and  repelled Chiam

  out of the Party!! Chiam ,the Founder of SDP ,once lost the membership

  in the Party,he then lost the seat in Parliament.
  
  Mrs Chiam said Chee staged the hungry strike without approval of the Party.

  CSJ created the joke of drinking health drink in hunger strike

  secretly but exposed!

  Can my learned friends here translate this interview of Mrs Chiam 詹时中.

  She said she had been authorized by Chiam to tell the whole story.

  She was interviewed together with

  人民党主席沈克栋 current People Party Chairman, he was one of

  Central Committee of SDP.

  Mrs Chiam wants young generation knows the whole truth.

  This is a very important records of SG politics. Can MOD allow my full quote here.

  The zao bao links valid only 7 days.

  beginning of quote

  http://www.zaobao.com.sg/special/face2face/pages1/face2face100328.shtml

  詹时中太太首次�访说当年 詹时中被�顺全逼走

  游润� (2010-03-28)

  17年�的一个下�，詹时中当时还在念中学的独生女詹慧丽正在乘德士回家，收音机�然传出当天最轰动的新闻。她�了大�一惊，差点晕了过去。�生这 么大件事，德士�机也���激动地�表议论。

  詹慧丽���答�，也�敢告诉他新闻主角就是她的父亲。

  那是1993å¹´8月20日的事。新加å�¡æ°‘主党代秘书长å¾�顺全å�šå£«å½“天写信通知国会议长，å‰�秘书长詹时中已ç»�被é€�出党，请他“进一步采å�– å¿…è¦�行动”。根æ�®å®ªæ³•ï¼Œè®®å‘˜ä¸€æ—¦å¤±åŽ»å�‚选时所属的政党的党ç±�，便自动失去国会议席。这也æ„�味ç�€è©¹æ—¶ä¸­æ��å�«äº†ä¹�年的波东巴西区议席，将因这å°�信而ä¸�ä¿�。

  詹时中目å‰�是新加å�¡äººæ°‘党秘书长。他的妻å­�罗文丽（61å²�）日å‰�接å�—本报记者专访，追忆当年民主党党争的æ�¥é¾™åŽ»è„‰æ—¶è¯´ï¼š“人民行动党å�ƒ 辛万苦è¦�把我的丈夫击败，几次大选都ä¸�æˆ�功。å�¯æ˜¯æ°‘主党大笔一挥，ä¸�è´¹å�¹ç�°ä¹‹åŠ›å°±åŠžåˆ°äº†ï¼Œå¸®äº†è¡ŒåŠ¨å…šä¸€ä¸ªå¤§å¿™ã€‚”

  �民主党上个月庆�30周年党庆之际，�顺全（48�）接�本报专访时谈到当年民主党与詹时中的决裂，声称当詹时中�出�辞去秘书长� ��，他曾三番四次�试挽留，但对方去�已决，�为所动。

  罗文丽读了报é�“å�Žï¼Œè®¤ä¸ºå¾�顺全å�ªè¯´äº†“一å�Šçš„真相”，因此主动è�”络本报，表示想说出她所知é�“的故事的å�¦ä¸€å�Šã€‚è¿™å�¯æ˜¯å¥¹é™ªç�€è©¹æ—¶ä¸­åœ¨æ”¿å�› 打拼那么多年æ�¥ï¼Œç¬¬ä¸€æ¬¡å��下æ�¥å’Œè®°è€…谈政治。

  她所讲述的�一�故事，是尽管民主党中委会起�的确有�试挽留詹时中，但最终还是中委会�开纪律审讯，决定把他�出党。

  她表明自己是得到詹时中的授�，出�把这段往事交待清楚。身为詹时中的枕边人和他30多年政治生涯的亲密战�，她也最清楚丈夫的看法。 为了�明自己的说法，她也找�人民党主席沈克栋一起�访。他曾任民主党中委，在民主党爆出开除詹时中风波时是党干部，当时曾充当詹时中�中委会之间的调解 人。

  �顺全在詹时中辞去秘书长���，从副秘书长身份�为代秘书长，并在两年�当选秘书长，直至今天。

  罗文丽说：“如果他真的想挽留詹时中，他大å�¯è°¢ç»�代秘书长的è�Œä½�，或当中委会针对是å�¦å¯¹è©¹æ—¶ä¸­é‡‡å�–纪律行动作出投票时，跟å�“金桔（民主 å…šå‰�候选人）一样，å��对把他é€�出党。”

  在那场关键性的纪律审讯中，13�中委当中�有�金桔一人�对开除詹时中党�，�一�中委陈秉�则弃�。

  沈克栋�立人民党 接应詹时中

  当詹时中在政治上几乎走投无路时，被罗文丽视为最忠实支�者的沈克栋�在1994年脱离民主党，并在�年11月�立人民党，准备接应� 时�能失去党�的詹时中。

  沈克栋说：“如果中委会è¦�é™�詹时中的è�Œï¼Œé‚£è¿˜æ— æ‰€è°“，但他们å�´ç¡¬è¦�把他é€�出去，让他失去国会议席。如果詹时中还能ä¿�留民主党的党ç±�，我 就没必è¦�å�¦è®¾ä¸€ä¸ªæ”¿å…šè®©ä»–加入了。”

  罗文丽强调她决定�访，�是�说�顺全的��，也�是想跟他抬�。

  “我å�ªæ˜¯è¦�说出事实，以正视å�¬ã€‚而为了我的丈夫，为了让年轻一代的人了解Uncle Chiam（詹时中的昵称），我必须站出æ�¥ä½œå‡ºæ¾„清。他ä¸�曾背弃民主党，当我们被迫离开时，内心是é�žå¸¸ç—›è‹¦çš„。”

  她注�到一些二���的年轻人因�知�那段历�，似乎对詹时中与民主党决裂的�龙去脉一知�解。她担心他们�信一些人，误以为詹时中当 年�顾�人的�力挽留，执�背弃民主党。

  “这些年轻人å�¯èƒ½å› ä¸ºæ•¬çˆ±è©¹æ—¶ä¸­ï¼Œè€Œè®¤ä¸ºä»–å�³ä½¿ä½œå‡ºäº†è¾œè´Ÿæ°‘主党的行为，还是å�¯ä»¥åŽŸè°…的。然而，事实是詹时中是被逼走的。”

  詹�决裂始末

  以下是罗文丽讲述的当年事情的�龙去脉。

  1993年4月5日至14日：�顺全�食抗议是导�线

  詹时中在之�一年，把�顺全引进民主党，�为马林百列集选区补选的竞选团队一员。他是一��士，�是新加�国立大学的精神科心�学讲 师，加上能言善�，立�被视为�对党的新星。罗文丽表示她和詹时中当时还以为找到了政治继承人。

  然而，�对党这个希望很快就破�了。�顺全担任国大讲师时，因被指滥用大学的研究基金，把妻�的�士论文邮寄到美国，而在1993年3 月被大学开除。他��指责大学此举�有政治动机，目的是对他进行政治迫害，于是打算采��食抗议行动。当他�国大开除的事情公开闹大之�，当年一手把他带 入国大的社会工作与心�学系主任�行动党议员�素�士还在国会上爆出他对出差时的德士车资报大数，�没附上车资收�。

  一手引进政å�›çš„新星所采å�–的抗争方å¼�，与詹时中å�‘æ�¥æ‰€å€¡å¯¼çš„较为温和的表达方å¼�大有出入。对此，罗文丽说：“在展开ç»�食抗议之å‰�，å¾�顺 全有æ�¥æˆ‘们家找詹时中商é‡�。詹时中ä¸�是很赞å�Œä»–这么å�šï¼Œå¹¶å‘Šè¯‰ä»–应该先跟中委会讨论，在得到中委会的支æŒ�å�Žï¼Œå†�跟大家一起商é‡�应以什么形å¼�展开ç»�食。”

  �过，�顺全�没�求中委会��，便于隔天立�在家中展开�食。

  罗文丽说：“ä»–ç»�食还å–�è‘¡è�„糖水，民主党因此æˆ�了笑柄。而詹时中是党é­�，自然也æˆ�为众人å�–笑的对象。所以，他æ‰�会想到å�‘中委会æ��出动 议，以谴责å¾�顺全。”

  1993年5月17日：盛怒之下辞去秘书长��

  晚上近11时，詹时中开完中委会会议�，从�顺全家回到自己的家。罗文丽记得他当时显得很愤怒，但是什么都�说。�久�，关��等几� 中委追上门，�试说�他改�辞去秘书长��的决定。

  她这�从他们�中�说原�中委会的其他13人都�支�他�出的谴责�顺全的动议。詹时中认为这是他们对他的�信任动议，盛怒之下��写 了一�辞�信，便拂袖而去。

  �罗文丽�露，她和沈克栋��都�詹时中�新考虑辞�的决定，而当时詹时中其实也还在斟酌，并没�定�走之�。�过，沈克栋等人的调解 失败，中委会在一个月�公开宣布詹时中已�下秘书长��。

  1993年7月16日：詹时中�记者数�其他中委的�是

  当天应邀在新加�报业俱�部所举办的演讲会上讲��，詹时中在回答记者的问题时对民主党几�中委的人格和处事方�作出尖�的批评。中委 会认为他的谈�严�打击了民主党，两天��信�他出席纪律审讯。

  1993年8月6日：被判政治死刑的一天

  1980年的这一天，詹时中满怀期望地�国人宣布他�将创办新加�民主党。13年�的这一天，他��寞地走出民主党在汤申路租下的办公 室。他当时刚在一场�续了四个�时的纪律审讯中，被判��党纪，并被开除党�。而把他�出党的13�中委，很多都是他�集和引进的，包括�顺全。

  罗文丽说：“在去之å‰�，我们还以为中委会有å�¯èƒ½ä¸�计å‰�å«Œ……但其实他们早已决定è¦�定詹时中有罪。”

  她说：“他们越是质问他为什么在报业俱ä¹�部这么说，他就越æ�¼æ€’。当他讲è¯�的语气越ä¸�客气时，他们就越被惹ç�«ï¼Œåˆ°å¤´æ�¥å�Œæ–¹éƒ½åœ¨æ°”头上。如 果他们å…�许我进去，我就å�¯ä»¥å®‰æŠšæˆ‘先生，那历å�²å�¯èƒ½ä¼šæ”¹å†™ã€‚”

  她形容当晚在办公室外的气氛是紧绷�的。由中委会组�的审判团��许詹时中孤军作战，副主席黄汉照甚至找�一帮彪形大汉守在门外，�让 支�詹时中的干部进去声�。两帮人就�在投票站等待公布选举结果的��政党的支�者。

  那场纪律审讯，几乎是判了詹时中的政治死刑，由他耕耘了�多年的政党看似将断�在这些他一手扶�的人手上。

  沈克栋当年扮演调解人角色，�试让�方达�妥�，因此对詹时中被�出党的过程相当清楚。他认为詹时中的为人太直了，讲�过于武断，容易 得罪其他中委。

  å�¦ä¸€æ–¹é�¢ï¼Œä»–也对å¾�顺全等中委说：民主党当时有三å��议员，就好åƒ�一家公å�¸æœ‰300万元缴足资本，ä¸�å�¯èƒ½æ— ç«¯ç«¯åœ°æŠŠå…¶ä¸­100万元拱手相 让。而当你作出这么激烈的行为时，选民将对你失去信心，那你手上的å�¦å¤–200万元也将化为乌有。但是，他们总是ä¸�å�¬æˆ‘说，还认为下次大选肯定会赢，甚至还 能组æˆ�政府。”

  1993年8月20日：被民主党开除党�

  詹时中在律师楼办公，忽然收到中委会寄出的急件，正�通知他已被民主党开除党�。

  罗文丽说：“当我们收到信时，感觉很å�—伤害和å�—背å�›ã€‚这是é�žå¸¸ä»¤äººéœ‡æƒŠï¼Œä¹Ÿæ˜¯é�žå¸¸éš¾å ªçš„å±€é�¢ã€‚全世界都在笑我们。”

  中委会也在�日把这项决定通知国会议长，而大批记者也接获通知，第一时间围�他的办公室。

  “我们当时在ç�€æ€¥åœ°è®¨è®ºå¦‚何ä¿�ä½�国会议席，感觉就åƒ�在打战，四é�¢æ¥šæ­Œï¼Œéœ€è¦�护城，哪里还有精神应付记者？所以，我们连è¸�出办公室å�Šæ­¥ï¼Œ 出去用厕所都ä¸�行。”

  回想起詹时中如何在1991年大选时，为民主党其他候选人奔走，�力帮他们拉票，而林�谆和蒋�正分别当上武�甘�和义顺中区议员�， ���懂得饮水��，甚至得�忘形，罗文丽更是一阵心酸。

  “他是创党人，他们å�´ä¸€è„šæŠŠä»–踢出去，这么残å¿�的事你å�¯ä»¥ç›¸ä¿¡å�—？我丈夫还为此å�šæ�¶æ¢¦ã€‚”

  顿时间，詹时中ä¸�å�ªå¤±åŽ»ä»–一手创立的政党，也失去他多年æ�¥ä¸ºæ°‘主党辛苦筹得的13万元æ��款。就连好ä¸�容易打入选民心中的民主党“ç�«ç®­ 头”党徽，都å�ªèƒ½æˆ�为别人的å«�妆。

  1993年12月11日：詹时中�败为胜

  詹时中在五天�申请到高庭的�制令，�止民主党中委会执行把他�出党的决定。

  �过�天审讯，高庭在12月11日�决中委会开除詹时中党�的决议是��法和无效的，他因此也得以��国会议席。

  这���议席�众�亲离的日�，一拖便是整整三年。当国会在1996年12月解散，定隔年1月举行大选时，詹时中也正�退出民主党，加 入沈克栋为他组织的新加�人民党。

  1997年大选，詹时中�功��波东巴西区议席，林�谆和蒋�正则失掉原有的议席。民主党从此无法把候选人�入国会，詹时中则��至 今。

  自从分�扬镳�，詹时中和�顺全就�也没有直接接触，直至去年�月在�新党庆��立二周年的晚宴上碰�，�顺全主动上�跟他�手，还谦 �地问候这�把他带进政�的政治�辈。

  “我们也认为现在也许应该是尽弃å‰�嫌，å�‘å‰�看的时候。因此，当我们去年庆ç¥�詹时中担任议员25周年时，也邀请å¾�顺全出席。因为å��对党团 结，毕竟是好事。”

  罗文丽说：“那几年打官å�¸çš„å�¯æ€•æ—¥å­�，本æ�¥å·²ç»�是尘å°�的记忆。但是，最近读到å¾�顺全å�—访时说他当年是如何挽留詹时中，尽是一é�¢ä¹‹è¯�，å�´ å�ˆå‹¾èµ·äº†æ—§ç–®ç–¤ã€‚”

  最å�Žå¥¹è¿˜å¹½å¹½åœ°è¯´ï¼š“当民主党庆ç¥�æˆ�ç«‹30周年时，主æŒ�晚宴的本该是我的丈夫。民主党虽有é€�过手机简讯托人邀请我们出席，但我们没去， 毕竟还有点æ•�感，è¦�我们怎么去？”

  《��早报》
  （编辑：罗婉�）

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• angel7030

  29 Mar 10, 09:46

  Roar, the lion roar!!! Roar...simba!

• sbst275

  29 Mar 10, 09:47

  wasn't it obvious wat CSJ did over the CST incident?

  it's only the former says now he has nothing to do w/ it simply it'll only foul himself further.

• Samuel Lee

  29 Mar 10, 12:45

  It is not really lie, it is just hide up. Look, we did lose money in GIC & Temasek -- a fact. But people will say we have lost > $4billions of Singaporean Tax payer's $ in GIC & Temasek -- another fact.

   

  It is just like that, afterall, if you believe on CST's wife, whose rebuttal was not totally nonsense to CSJ's comment but her rebuttal was actually saying CSJ's comment is only the half truth.

• charlize

  29 Mar 10, 12:50

  I guess no more newsworthy stuff so dig out some old stories and create some propoganda.

   

  Why never do some anniversary piece on the limping MS escape instead?

   

  You get the picture.

• Samuel Lee

  29 Mar 10, 12:57

  Originally posted by charlize:

  I guess no more newsworthy stuff so dig out some old stories and create some propoganda.

   

  Why never do some anniversary piece on the limping MS escape instead?

   

  You get the picture.

  That is history, hey,  it was CST's wife went to the reporters and tell ok? Do you want to see after CST dies due to old age and join JBJ then the facts surfaced to the lights?

• sbst275

  29 Mar 10, 16:49

  Originally posted by charlize:

  I guess no more newsworthy stuff so dig out some old stories and create some propoganda.

   

  Why never do some anniversary piece on the limping MS escape instead?

   

  You get the picture.

  
  CSJ can say watever he wants, but dun forget wat he did to e same person tat got him in.

• angel7030

  29 Mar 10, 17:25

  oppositions must learn from PAP, dun wash yr dirty laundry in the public.

• mancha

  29 Mar 10, 18:01

  Its the classic option.

  Resign or we TWEP you.

• Atobe

  30 Mar 10, 00:38

   

  Is it true that CST could not recruit any talent into his SPP - and had to get his wife to takeover his Secretary-General post when he step down from politics during the next GE - due to his heart condition ?

  If that is true, it explains quite clearly the need for Mdm CST to hit the headlines with her kind of controversy - so as to satisfy her need to attract attention to herself.

  Surprisingly, the issues were not exactly mentioned in the same way that Mdm CST had narrated to the Chinese medium gossip paper - when one look at ‘Wikipedia for CST’  

  In 1992, Chiam recruited Dr Chee Soon Juan, a psychology lecturer at the National University of Singapore, to be an SDP candidate for a by-election in the Marine Parade Group Representation Constituency. Although the SDP was unsuccessful in the by-election, the recruitment of Chee as a candidate generated considerable public interest. However differences between Chiam and Chee soon emerged. Chee was sacked from his job as a university lecturer in 1993, and publicly claimed that he had been the victim of a political vendetta by the governing People's Action Party (PAP). Chiam wanted to censure Chee for these comments, but the party's Central Executive Committee backed Chee and later that year voted to oust Chiam as Secretary-General and to replace him with Chee. They also appointed Ling How Doong to replace Chiam as the party's parliamentary leader. The Central Executive Committee attempted to expel Chiam from the party, but he won a court case to prevent them from doing so on procedural grounds.

  Chiam left the SDP in 1996 and accepted an invitation to join the Singapore People's Party, which was formed by a breakaway faction of the SDP in 1994, and became its Chairman.

    

  From another source - ‘wapedia – Wiki: Singapore Democratic Party’  - the following can be compared: 

   

  Buoyed by the results in 1991, the SDP decided to contest the 1992 Marine Parade Group Representation Constituency by-election. The GRC was held by none other than the then premier, Goh Chok Tong. Nonetheless, the SDP decided to put up a good fight by recruiting Dr Chee Soon Juan, a university lecturer, for the election. The PAP won 72% of the votes and the SDP won 25%, and other smaller parties won the rest of the votes.

  However the rise of the SDP was not to be, as differences soon emerged between Chiam and Chee. In 1993, three months after joining the SDP, Chee was accused of using his research funds to send his wife’s PhD dissertation to the United States. Dr Chee had asserted, and still does, that this was not the case as his wife was an employee in the same department at National University of Singapore at that time and was working with him, sharing and collaborating in their research, and that the funds were legitimately used. The National University of Singapore decided to sack Chee.

  Chee claimed this was a political vendetta plotted by the ruling party as his supervisor Mr S.R. Vasoo was a PAP MP.^{[citation needed]} The PAP had, however, denied the accusation and insisted that the offence was real. Chiam wanted to censure Chee but the former was not supported by the Central Executive Committee and they voted to oust him as general secretary and to replace him with Chee. Supporters of Chiam left the party and formed the Singapore People's Party in 1994, which Chiam took over from Sin Kek Tong as the secretary-general in the 1997 general election.

  The SDP decided to strip Chiam See Tong's membership after the latter had gone to the Singapore Press Club and denounced the SDP and the Central Executive Committee. Had he lost his membership, under the law, he would also have to lose his seat in parliament. The courts ruled that his dismissal was unfair and that he should be allowed to remain as a member of the SDP.

   

  All these had happened in 1993 - it is so easy to re-write events according to one's perspective, can facts be changed according to one's whimsical fancy ?

   

  ‘What could possibly be the reason for CST pulling out of the next election ?’  

   

  What possibly is the agenda for the noisy pussy to create a ruckus to distort the otherwise positive views of the heartlanders towards the Alternative Parties ? 

   

   

• I-like-flings(m)

  30 Mar 10, 00:41

  everyone know about this story what.. if not why u think everyone hates Dr Chee bye kia so much?

• Atobe

  30 Mar 10, 01:04

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  everyone know about this story what.. if not why u think everyone hates Dr Chee bye kia so much?

  
  Obviously you will believe that "everyone hates Dr Chee bye kia so much"  and will probably also have big CBM sucking up to the PAP arses to believe that their fart is the only exquisite parfum.

  Should anyone be surprised that it will not strike a dickhead with a big CBM to note that CST has not been able to attract any talent nor dickheads to join him - while Dr Chee has been able to attract ‘normal dicks - who make more sense then those with big CBM’ ?  

   

• I-like-flings(m)

  30 Mar 10, 01:10

  Originally posted by Atobe:

  
  Obviously you will believe that "everyone hates Dr Chee bye kia so much"  and will probably also have big CBM sucking up to the PAP arses to believe that their fart is the only exquisite parfum.

  Should anyone be surprised that it will not strike a dickhead with a big CBM to note that CST has not been able to attract any talent nor dickheads to join him - while Dr Chee has been able to attract ‘normal dicks - who make more sense then those with big CBM’ ?  

   

  
  Chee bye kia attracts ppl who make more sense?????? u must be joke... u mean his sis ar? oh and by the way, CST is not from PAP leh... u know right?

• Atobe

  30 Mar 10, 01:15

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  
  Chee bye kia attracts ppl who make more sense?????? u must be joke... u mean his sis ar? oh and by the way, CST is not from PAP leh... u know right?

  
  When a CBM is only interested to flap as it talk - instead of using the brain that is the size of a clitoris - does anything make any sense ?

  Who say that CST is not from PAP ? 

  Did anyone say he is ?

  Afterall, his interest is being looked after by the Singapore Judiciary - is it not ?

  Did you missed the question asked earlier - ‘What could possibly be the reason for CST pulling out of the next election ?’  

   

• I-like-flings(m)

  30 Mar 10, 01:21

  Originally posted by Atobe:

  
  When a CBM is only interested to flap as it talk - instead of using the brain that is the size of a clitoris - does anything make any sense ?

  Who say that CST is not from PAP ? 

  Did anyone say he is ?

  Afterall, his interest is being looked after by the Singapore Judiciary - is it not ?

  Did you missed the question asked earlier - ‘What could possibly be the reason for CST pulling out of the next election ?’  

   

  hahahhaha u are really funny...Chee bye kia is better than CST??? must be too late that u are dreaming now.... anyway no point talking to a nut case who support a chee bye kia... good nite and remember vote carefully the next time.

• Atobe

  30 Mar 10, 01:30

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  hahahhaha u are really funny...Chee bye kia is better than CST??? must be too late that u are dreaming now.... anyway no point talking to a nut case who support a chee bye kia... good nite and remember vote carefully the next time.

  
  Can CST be better than anyone - even to an ass with a big CBM and a clitoris for a brain ?

  Obviously, you do not know how to read - let alone to think for yourself.

  It is safer for you to be in the dark.

   

• Acidshuriken

  30 Mar 10, 13:47

  csj causes more disunity among the opposition that than the pap can ever do.
• mancha

  30 Mar 10, 13:56

  I think Chaim See Tong resigned of his own choosing. He said so.

  What prompted him to resign is immaterial.

  Fact is, on record, Chaim resigned.

  Even if behind the scene, he will get the boot, if he don't.

  This frequently happens to people in senior positions.

   

• Atobe

  30 Mar 10, 14:03

  Originally posted by Acidshuriken:

  csj causes more disunity among the opposition that than the pap can ever do.

  
  What possibly could be the basis of your statement ?

  Such unfounded and unsubstantiated statement can only cause more confusion that has been deliberately created by the PAP that serves no benefit for Singaporeans.

  Can your statement be closer to the truth when in a SDP Forum organised in 2009 saw the participation from some members of the Alternative Parties that actually turned up and offered to co-operate ?

  ‘What was Ng Teck Siong from Reform Party doing at the SDP Forum ?’  

  ‘What was Sin Kek Tong from SPP doing at the SDP Forum ?’  

  The SDP Forum also saw the participation of ‘Tan Kin Lian’  and ‘Chia Ti Lik’  - as well as prominent political activists and bloggers.

  Can you bear to see the truth that brings hope to Singaporeans ?

   

• lionnoisy

  30 Mar 10, 21:53

  Originally posted by mancha:

  I think Chaim See Tong resigned of his own choosing. He said so.

  What prompted him to resign is immaterial.

  Fact is, on record, Chaim resigned.

  Even if behind the scene, he will get the boot, if he don't.

  This frequently happens to people in senior positions.

   

  yes. CST resigned, may be he was then very angry.

  1. But why did SDP ,ie CSJ,inform Speaker of Parilement on the same day

  that Chiam was expelled fr SDP?

  Did Chee want to had a By Election?

  This made CST not eligible of the MP seat,becos he won the seat

  under SDP ticket!!

  Mrs Chiam said (opening post):

  1993年8月20日：被民主党开除党�

   

  中委会也在�日把这项决定通知国会议长

  2. Chee Soon Juan staged hunger strike without approval of CEC

  of SDP. Why did CEC not discipline him Chee?

  3. During the disciline hearing of Chiam,why then then vice Chairman

  called few strong men to prevent other members to observe proceeding

  "由中委会组�的审判团��许詹时中孤军作战，副主席黄汉照甚至找�一帮彪形大汉守在门外，�让 支�詹时中的干部进去声�"

  4.Mrs Chiam said,Chee only invited Chiam to attend SDP 30 th annversiary,

  through other people and thro SMS! What is it?

  If Chee was sincere, Chee should call Chiam lah...

  "民主党虽有�过手机简讯托人邀请我们出席，"

   

  #############

  

  From Chee body language, he seems very cold and proud.

  In Chinese tradition, u should use 2 hands to hold your friend.

  Also, one hand behind Chee's back speak volume for Chee's

  feeling!

   

  This is Chee reponses

  An open letter to all opposition supporters

  Read more

  nn

• Atobe

  31 Mar 10, 09:25

   

   The agenda of a PAP Agent is quite obvious especially as the build-up toward the expected Election 2010 becomes even more high strung.

  What else can be expected from the bankrupt mind of a noisy pussy except to exercise its brain that is no bigger then a ‘clitoris’ - and draw attention to it noisy pussy by flapping its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ ?

   

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:

  yes. CST resigned, may be he was then very angry.

  1. But why did SDP ,ie CSJ,inform Speaker of Parilement on the same day

  that Chiam was expelled fr SDP?

  Did Chee want to had a By Election?

  This made CST not eligible of the MP seat,becos he won the seat

  under SDP ticket!!

   

  Was it not a process for the Speaker of Parliament to be informed that the political party has expelled its member who is an elected Member of Parliament ?

  This was an unprecendented event that Singapore has never witnessed, and no political party has any experience with.

  Should not the Speaker of Parliament be informed with some degree of immediacy for advise and guidance on policy matters to be resolved ?

  What would the other consequence be - if the SDP did not inform the Speaker of Parliament that its own Member of Parliament has been evicted from the party on which it had won the representative right ?

  Only a noisy pussy will wish to create more ruckus on a 17 year old dead issue.

   

  Mrs Chiam said (opening post):

  1993年8月20日：被民主党开除党�

   

  中委会也在�日把这项决定通知国会议长

  2. Chee Soon Juan staged hunger strike without approval of CEC

  of SDP. Why did CEC not discipline him Chee?

   

  Was the hunger strike concerning any issues involving the SDP - or was the hunger strike a PERSONAL protest to the PERSONAL attacks instituted and directed by the Head of the NUS Faculty - who was a PAP Old Guard - towards CSJ, who was a lecturer in the same faculty ?

  Was the hunger strike about politics involving the SDP, or was it due to the charges levied towards CSJ ?

   

  3. During the disciline hearing of Chiam,why then then vice Chairman

  called few strong men to prevent other members to observe proceeding

  "由中委会组�的审判团��许詹时中孤军作战，副主席黄汉照甚至找�一帮彪形大汉守在门外，�让 支�詹时中的干部进去声�"

   

  Why did CST not called for a court injunction to stop the proceedings ?

  He is a lawyer - who is familiar with the law.

  Or is he as useless towards his personal political affairs - as he has displayed himself to be with his inactive role in Parliament about politics played out by the PAP against the interests of all Singaporeans ?

   

  4.Mrs Chiam said,Chee only invited Chiam to attend SDP 30 th annversiary,

  through other people and thro SMS! What is it?

  If Chee was sincere, Chee should call Chiam lah...

  "民主党虽有�过手机简讯托人邀请我们出席，"

   

  The pettiness of a woman knows no limits.

  Can it be believed that all those who attended the SDP 30th Anniversay did not receive an invitation card or letter ?

  Or has the more likely truth been suppressed that the aged and proud CST needed personal invitation by those who knew him - and to persuade him personally ? 

  At the end of it all - why is Mdm CST making an issue of this - as CST did turn up at the 30th Anniversay event as seen in the foto below.

  Or is the noisy pussy putting words in the mouth of Mdm CST ?

   

  #############

  

  From Chee body language, he seems very cold and proud.

  In Chinese tradition, u should use 2 hands to hold your friend.

  Also, one hand behind Chee's back speak volume for Chee's

  feeling!

   

  It seems only one hand each was extended to the other, and that each kept one hand behind the back - are there volumes to be spoken about CST's feelings - as much as there is to be read for Chee ?

  Should it not be a cautious approach of two adults that showed sincere respect for the occassion - then displaying any kind of hypocritical warmth laced with the artificial boisterous "ruh-ha-ha" - given the history between them ?

   

  Stupidity seems to know no bounds with those determined to make its own history as a noisy pussy.

   

  This is Chee reponses

  An open letter to all opposition supporters

  Read more

  nn

   

  If CSJ was LKY - or the present SDP is the PAP - Singaporeans will be entertained by a high profile law suit taken by CSJ against Mdm CST - for the uncalled for and very personal attacks made more then 10 years late - and which the noisy pussy has claimed Mdm CST to have made.

  A legal suit in an open court would have straightened events and allowed everyone in Singapore to find out the real events within the SDP that led to the majority of the members to cast their vote of no confidence towards CST - who was the SDP founder and leader then.

  The events are less then 14 years ago, and many of the members are still around and the historical events are still fresh in their minds.

  Will CSJ and SDP behave as the Lee's and the PAP - to cut someone else down to save their own face ?

  It maybe of interest to the ignorant noisy pussy that democratic practices are more evident in the SDP then in any other political party that maintain a 'kiasi-and-kiasu' mentality to protect the position of the party founders and leadership.

  Election to the SDP Executive Committee is open to the entire membership of the SDP - while the PAP and the SPP (led by CST) share common features that are undemocratic - featuring three classes of membership, and access to be a member of the Executive Committee is selective and closed door.

  Is there any political party that will willingly offer a level field to its members ?

  We can hardly depend on a noisy pussy to be honest even with its pretentious self.

   

• Acidshuriken

  31 Mar 10, 09:28

  Originally posted by Atobe:

  
  What possibly could be the basis of your statement ?

  Such unfounded and unsubstantiated statement can only cause more confusion that has been deliberately created by the PAP that serves no benefit for Singaporeans.

  Can your statement be closer to the truth when in a SDP Forum organised in 2009 saw the participation from some members of the Alternative Parties that actually turned up and offered to co-operate ?

  ‘What was Ng Teck Siong from Reform Party doing at the SDP Forum ?’  

  ‘What was Sin Kek Tong from SPP doing at the SDP Forum ?’  

  The SDP Forum also saw the participation of ‘Tan Kin Lian’  and ‘Chia Ti Lik’  - as well as prominent political activists and bloggers.

  Can you bear to see the truth that brings hope to Singaporeans ?

   

  
  one forum only and you say sdp is their bro? what abt past events? i don't hear sdp. remember ltk once said, opposition is watchdog not mad dog. ok maybe i grant you this - sdp is changing as nowadays not so civil disobedience and that is why other opposition parties are open to hearing them out and give them face attend the event. but cst not there. ltk not there right?
• Atobe

  31 Mar 10, 09:56

  Originally posted by Acidshuriken:

  
  one forum only and you say sdp is their bro? what abt past events? i don't hear sdp. remember ltk once said, opposition is watchdog not mad dog. ok maybe i grant you this - sdp is changing as nowadays not so civil disobedience and that is why other opposition parties are open to hearing them out and give them face attend the event. but cst not there. ltk not there right?

   

  CST is already retiring from politics - why will he attend the forum in 2009 - when he had a stroke then and had undergone some medical treatment then ?

   

  ‘Sin Kek Tong - Chairman of SPP was at the SDP Forum’ - is that not enough ?

  So did ‘Ng Teck Siong from Reform Party - who was also at the SDP Forum’  

   

  Civil disobediance is only a tool to educate the 'kiasi-kiasu' mentality of an already apathic Singapore population that has been depoliticised by the deliberate schemes of LKY so as to allow himself full control.

  The fact that CSJ was prepared to be in the forefront to act out his social leadership role in civil disobedience will speak alot for himself - in being prepared to do what he preach unlike LKY's who prefer that Singaporeans does as he direct, and not do what he does for himself.

  ‘Tan Kin Lian’  and ‘Chia Ti Lik’ were also at the SDP Forum and both advocated the continued public education of the Citizenship Rights to Singaporeans - to awaken the Singaporeans from their deep political slumber as their political future is at stake.

   

  LTK said alot - has he said it as well as Sylvia Lum ?

  As a political watch-dog - how effective has LTK been when the majority of Singaporeans are unaware of the achievements or effectiveness of himself and the WP ?

   

• Samuel Lee

  31 Mar 10, 10:52

  But whatever it is, we must analyze the facts given.

   

  1:) Mdm Chiam said that those CEC were too proud of themselves, believing that they can win in the next GE and possibly forming their own government.

  Why? Because CST had such proud feeling, more or less.

  What? Evidence: Actually, I could say that the reason why 1991 was a huge success for the oppositions who won 4 SMCs and many near to win a seat (40% and above was common) , the highest record ever, was because apart of isolated incident such as Lady MP wiped her hands after shook her hands with a fishmonger or whatever "peasants", the disqualification of the late JBJ. Yes, because the last election prior to 1991 was 1988, which was a shocking election / sudden election / early election but not a by election where effectively bar JBJ from election, which the effect for JBJ's conviction will be ended after 1991/2. Thus, people are not happy with the fact that the ruling party is using such tricks to bar JBJ and vote for the oppositions.

  2:) It was more or less Chiam's fault for recruiting Chee in, because the very fact that the response from GCT, the then PM to public's anger, was to hold a by election in Marine Parade GRC, which was his consitiutency. GCT said that he will hold all the responsibilities should he lost his seat. However, the oppositions was not in united, and resulted into SDP wants to fight GCT, WP should have sent JBJ and his team to fight GCT, and 2 other smaller parties (NSP and SJP --- a more or less defunct party by now since most of the people had switched to SPP) also want to contest against GCT. Lol! This is why Chee is in, and created a lot of fuss. And, obviously, the reason for SDP to fight GCT is because should the WP wins, 1MP (Hougang -- won in 1991) + 4 MP from this GRC = 5MP from WP and the opposition leader's position is given to Low instead (Since SDP had 3 seats back then, Chiam is the official opposition leader). Anyway, it was Chiam's folly to create such a mess. It was his over confidence that led to his downfall since such effects was spreaded to the whole SDP.

   

  However, the above seemed to be critizing Chiam a lot, now let's look at why Dr Chee should be "Chee Bye Kia" or Dr Cheezy.

  1: A hunger strike is a hunger strike. It is not supposed to use Glucose to replenish body, except, possibly, water. While people can say this is a disgrace to himself, what is certain is that "CBK" is an iconic figure for SDP, people will naturally associate this with SDP, despite it was not SDP's protest against PAP but rather a personal retaliation against his senior on NUS. I think that a 16 year old boy can do better than him in this regards. (I got even tried to save $8 a day, by skipping lunch and dinner and even water, which the water was drank minimally, although I did have some milo ONLY at late night at home lol!)

  2: It seemed that CSJ is manipulating the CEC. If not why would the then vice chairman needs some "bodyguards" to block their members for observing the hearings? Neither is such acts a democratic act!

   

• Rock^Star

  31 Mar 10, 10:58

  lionnoisy is just a chinaman turned singaporean with shitty english. Go back china la.