PERC corruption index
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http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/latest/story/0,4574,375719,00.html
Hi,
At first, when i saw cna ticket tape about sg PERC ranking, i felt so good it ranked 1st but asia pac only.
Then i searched more on what is PERC about and how it comes up with this index on corruption. I was interested to find out how can someone know exactly and clearly how much corruption exist.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/connectasia/stories/200904/s2541551.htm
From the above, i learnt that , quote, "The survey ranked countries according to levels of perceived corruption as seen by expat businessmen."
wow, i am amazed that it a Survey and its a PERCEPTION by Expats.
I felt disappointed in this ranking as it indicates to me that there is no way to find out how corrupt a country really is. Its not Absolute. Its a perception.
Perception by Wiki : "...
Perception is one of the oldest fields in psychology. The oldest quantitative law in psychology is the Weber-Fechner law, which quantifies the relationship between the intensity of physical stimuli and their perceptual effects. The study of perception gave rise to the Gestalt school of psychology, with its emphasis on holistic approach.
What one perceives is a result of interplays between past experiences, including one’s culture, and the interpretation of the perceived. If the percept does not have support in any of these perceptual bases it is unlikely to rise above perceptual threshold.
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I worry about using perception as people can be Biased like it or not.
By the way, here is PERC homepage:
http://www.asiarisk.com/index.html
I noted from the website that they provide services as in "As part of our services, PERC produces a range of risk reports on the countries of Asia, paying special attention to critical socio-political variables like corruption, intellectual property rights risks, labor quality, and other systemic strengths and weakness of individual Asian countries. "
Overall, i feel great listening to the news but anti-climaxed just a bit when i learnt what it is based on. So, overall, i still felt really good but short of a high.
I wonder how much does the ordinary singaporeans understand what PERC is all about? They just see the news say number 1 this and that. i hope they understand and hope the links provide some additional useful info for them.
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Hahahahha perception it can very well deceiving. Not to mean insult to Singaporean but Singapore is one of the most corrupt countries when it comes to its leaders. Its judiciary system, police force, and every institution kow tow to this man Harry Lee. This is 21st century the Chinese need not kow towing to any emperor any more. Break free from your DNA bondage. Fear makes the smallest cell of all.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Hahahahha perception it can very well deceiving.
Not to mean insult to Singaporean but Singapore is one of the most corrupt countries when it comes to its leaders. Its judiciary system, police force, and every institution kow tow to this man Harry Lee. This is 21st century the Chinese need not kow towing to any emperor any more. Break free from your DNA bondage. Fear makes the smallest cell of all.
POsted by a Christian Taliban, this has got to be a joke. -
We can accept alternate view but we cannot accept posting like this that was meant to downgrade or shame Singaporean. We stand proud to be the least corrupted country, perception or not. The fact that bribery is a crime that Singaporean in general disdained.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Hahahahha perception it can very well deceiving.
Not to mean insult to Singaporean but Singapore is one of the most corrupt countries when it comes to its leaders. Its judiciary system, police force, and every institution kow tow to this man Harry Lee. This is 21st century the Chinese need not kow towing to any emperor any more. Break free from your DNA bondage. Fear makes the smallest cell of all.i was about to say just that..................Corporate-wise and i'm talking about private companies not Govt-linked ones, maybe they're clean...............as for GOVT-wise, let's just say S'pore invented the phrase ''clean corruption''...............
it's not corruption when you make it legal.................LOL
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erm, i wonder does population size affect corruption?
i mean, china has over 1 billion people. where does corruption come from?
Humans.
Corruption does not come from animals or stones , cars , trees or fish or table or your mobile phone. It comes from people.
If 1 person commits numerous corruption, is that counted as 1 corruption or multiple corruption?
Can corruption be known if the case is kept secret? why would people want to tell the world about corruption?
Thus.
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It is not necessary to wait for PERC or other organisations on corruption index in Singapore. We as Singaporeans can see there is very low corruption unlike neighbouring countries in this region. I congratulate the government for maintaining this clean image but I hope the people incharge could be more transparent on all other areas such as defence, job opportunities for all, health care, education, etc.
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Originally posted by Wmyongj:
We can accept alternate view but we cannot accept posting like this that was meant to downgrade or shame Singaporean. We stand proud to be the least corrupted country, perception or not. The fact that bribery is a crime that Singaporean in general disdained.
I don't think Miracle&Prophecies was demeaning Singaporeans.And in a way I agree with him.
LKY's definition of corruption is very myopic and suits his needs.
Paying astronomical salaries is considered "legal corruption" to me, at the very least, "moral corruption"
Putting his relatives to top positions in GLCs is also a form of corruption.
If your definition of "corruption" is just about accepting bribes, then your view of the world is too narrow. No offence intended.
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the only reason why there's no corruption is because the pay is obscene.
edit:apply to MIW.
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coincidentally, i noted that the survey convers the asia pac and not the world and singapore happens to be Asia Pac HQ for many companies who has presence in asia pac countries.
So, does the survey cover asia pac companies ? if so, these could be headquartered in sg.
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Corruption in Singapore is largely driven underground - out of public sight.
Those found to be corrupted are asked to resign quietly from public office - and if one is stupid to defy such "soft persuasion" - the full force of the judicial process will be applied to remove one from office.
‘Phey Yew Kok featured prominently in the grotesque political trial of University of Singapore Students Union President Tan Wah Piow in 1975 (*2) - whose conviction was nothing more then a miscarriage of justice clearly raping the common sense of all Singaporeans, with the purpose of intimidating Singaporeans to be docile and not to challenge the PAP's grip on the labor movement.
Why has no efforts been given to have Phey Yew Kok brought back to Singapore ?
How many has been quietly moved aside to prevent political embarrassment and to be added into the Singapore's political history of "corruption" (*3) ?
Was there any "out-of-court" settlements with the Khoo Family - when after the late Khoo Teck Puat of the Goodwood Group was 'buried or cremated' - his surviving family members found that he had run foul of SGX rules, when as an individual he was holding grossly excessive stocks in public listed Standard-Chartered Bank ?
While his surviving family members could not be held responsible for his acts - it was amazing that the excess stocks were acquired by Temasek Holdings – and overnight making Temasek the largest shareholder in the bank (*4).
Then there was the public donations that resulted in the Khoo Teck Puat Hospital to be built in Sembawang Constituency, and the Khoo Teck Puat Building being built next to the Medical Alumni building at the Singapore General Hospital grounds.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I don't think Miracle&Prophecies was demeaning Singaporeans.And in a way I agree with him.
LKY's definition of corruption is very myopic and suits his needs.
Paying astronomical salaries is considered "legal corruption" to me, at the very least, "moral corruption"
Putting his relatives to top positions in GLCs is also a form of corruption.
If your definition of "corruption" is just about accepting bribes, then your view of the world is too narrow. No offence intended.
Well Sir you're right I didn't meant o demean the Singaporeans but my contempt and disgust are directed towards the absolutely corrupt Harry Lee and his leegime. I bet this certain Harry believes every man on 'his' island owes him their livelihood. This is a sickening attitude. I look forward when Singaporeans could look past beyond Harry Lee & his familee leegime and still doing well or even better. -
Originally posted by As romanista2001:
i was about to say just that..................Corporate-wise and i'm talking about private companies not Govt-linked ones, maybe they're clean...............as for GOVT-wise, let's just say S'pore invented the phrase ''clean corruption''...............
it's not corruption when you make it legal.................LOL
Well legalized corruption is a corruption far worse than the usual corruption.
This failure to engage the society into politics could be the Achilles' heels of Singapore in the immediate future. Right now the political elites are all groomed by the dear leader and are expected to conform to his demands and wishes failing which a resignation would surely follow. The sole ruling political party has failed to engage the public to enter the arena of politics by such methods and hence depriving Singapore of the much needed critical think tank and relying instead on the dear leader capability to steer Singapore for as long as he could(may he live forever). One man cannot be right forever and when the whole state nation is relying on one man they are also guaranteeing their immediate future failure. Of course this doesn't mean that the dear leader is not without fault until now. All kinds of failures, perceived or real are certainly to be washed up and hushed up by the tightly controlled media on the state island.
Singaporeans must feel that they belong to the state island by having a passion to enter the arena of politics intact with their genuine idealism and good intentions. The presence of Harry lee who wishes to control the island forever and ever until the sky collapses on him(and it will) certainly has cost the island much. Men couldn't achieve great things and becoming great themselves when he is bounded by fear to politically conform to Harry Lee and his leegime all the time because fear makes the smallest cell of all. -
S'pore is just a corporation/playground run by the Lees..............
the last thing they want is for people to be interested in politics...........
they also don't want smart people in govt less they become a threat to the Lees............
they'll stay on as long as S'pore can still lay the golden eggs for them and i'm talking more than just their fat salaries here.............
the day the golden goose is near death, they'll simply abandon ship.................retire in Hawaii maybe..........
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Firstly, u must understand what is legal corruption and illegal corruption, like our govt, it can be deem legal one.
Secondly, you need to see a Psycharist soon.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Firstly, u must understand what is legal corruption and illegal corruption, like our govt, it can be deem legal one.
Secondly, you need to see a Psycharist soon.
Firstly, you get out of here.Secondly, you go see a specialist on your diseases, don't spread them here.
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See already, no mc leh
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Gentlemen, there is no legal corruption, all corruption are illegal.
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there is, when u are not qualify to pay so much by your customers (the people of Singapore) and yet you are paid so much thru legal papers and endorsement by your superior in your organisation, that is consider legal corruption. Corrupted in a legal way is the most lethal kind of corruption, because people cannot do much about it. It is one of the most genius way of corruption. Corrupt in front of your very eyes, controlled your life and yet you cannot do anything about it, that is world class...the jap, korean and many other countries are keen to learn from them.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Firstly, u must understand what is legal corruption and illegal corruption, like our govt, it can be deem legal one.
Secondly, you need to see a Psycharist soon.
only a cockles continue to practice double standard.....of corruption......
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If corruption is legalised who need corruption?
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Unfortunate, it is happening everywhere in the world that ppl in power abusing it for their own gain. It is really up to their conscience to live up to their reputation. In PRC, the communist try to fight corruption by public education but the general citizen dont believe it because they face it in every day life and they have to give bribes even to get their water or electricity. Bribery becomes a part of their life and in the culture. It cannot be resolved by education because of the pressure in the society and it get no where without giving bribe.
Singapore is not without corruption but a heavy price is paid if one get caught. Even when dealing with Singaporean working overseas, they live a very honest life despite in a place that are polluted with corruption.
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
If corruption is legalised who need corruption?
that's what i'm saying................by giving themselves multi-million dollar salaries through legal means, it's far far better than corruption...............
these people get millions every year, assured.....................corrupted officials from other nations may only get a few chances to make money a year and overall lose out to those ''clean'' officials.........
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................by giving themselves multi-million dollar salaries through legal means, it's far far better than corruption...............
That is called legal corruption, or corrupted legally, so to speak.
"You need to pay Ministers higher paid than the private sector Directors/CEOs, otherwise you cannot get the right people in and also this help to deter illegal corruption within the govt" LKY on Minister paid subject.
In another words, if you paid a minister 0.5 million instead of 1 million, he/she would go into corruption to obtain another 0.5million to leverage the need. And if you paid he/she 1 million, he/she wouldn't go into illegal corruption. So by and large, his/her paid is actually 0.5 million, the other 0.5million is legally added on to control his/her urge to corruption. So you arrive to the term Legal Corruption.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
................by giving themselves multi-million dollar salaries through legal means, it's far far better than corruption...............
That is called legal corruption, or corrupted legally, so to speak.
"You need to pay Ministers higher paid than the private sector Directors/CEOs, otherwise you cannot get the right people in and also this help to deter illegal corruption within the govt" LKY on Minister paid subject.
In another words, if you paid a minister 0.5 million instead of 1 million, he/she would go into corruption to obtain another 0.5million to leverage the need. And if you paid he/she 1 million, he/she wouldn't go into illegal corruption. So by and large, his/her paid is actually 0.5 million, the other 0.5million is legally added on to control his/her urge to corruption. So you arrive to the term Legal Corruption.
Pay so much but so little productivity.
Haiz.
