I came across this electronic paper on the web....it is a good references for those who continue to look at current influx of chinese immigrant or others minority within the regions...and draw your own conclusion of how the past was differ from the current situation....
http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_010.pdf
Author: Mark Ravinder Frost.
Asia Institute Research,
National University of Singapore
Dated: August 2003
primary discussion on this paper is as quote " how communities of local born born and locally settled Chinese in Singapore interacted with new waves of chinese mirgants in the nineteen century and than later how they responded to the cultural and political ideas emanating from the mainland Chinese mainland, " (pg 4, Frost)
But just to highlight one point of the stark different in the past chinese immigrant they came and they started their little 5 sqftt business. And do their trading. Those that made it settled down and married local residents or thru Family match make from China to establish family network here in Singapore. There were plenty of rubber field and trading to expand....the unique geographical location provide expansion on admitting regional migrant.
another aspect of differences back in the 1918 it takes 3 months on the Junk and depend upon wind direction on their sailing if you missed the Junk. Migrant have to wait for another years. These days it takes 4 hours flight if you missed the flight chances is that you can get another flight in 12 hours....
For those who are interested in what happen in the Past in Singapore please read on I welcome different perspective....
How old perception may not work in todays global enviornment....
I had a filppino friend who work in a global company...he visited china to qualifiy vendors and when he was staying in Hotel in HKG...he was followed by the Hotel Security Guard...thinking that he was a migrant worker...
Past is past, no use pondering over it, let move on. For the future is still vague, we should be more vigilant of the present and not the past, so that we can built our future better.
"For past, built what it is today, and the present shall determine the future" Angeline Jolie.
If me and my young singaporeans are going to blame peoples for making what Singapore is today, we would had blamed our older Uncles and Aunties for not retaliating against the govt foreign immigration policies, retaliating against high cost of living and against a competitive labour market with low wage for us to compete on.
Talk so much for what...
Originally posted by angel7030:Past is past, no use pondering over it, let move on. For the future is still vague, we should be more vigilant of the present and not the past, so that we can built our future better.
"For past, built what it is today, and the present shall determine the future" Angeline Jolie.
If me and my young singaporeans are going to blame peoples for making what Singapore is today, we would had blamed our older Uncles and Aunties for not retaliating against the govt foreign immigration policies, retaliating against high cost of living and against a competitive labour market with low wage for us to compete on.
Talk so much for what...
If you have NO INTEREST it does not represent the rest of the forumners are not interested to learn more ....So stop netfaring this Topics.
i am just stating the real facts, who would want to read about the MIW or the Memoir of LKY, to us, it is useless. Tell us more about the future, and not the past, we had learn alot from modern history since secondary 1
Originally posted by angel7030:i am just stating the real facts, who would want to read about the MIW or the Memoir of LKY, to us, it is useless. Tell us more about the future, and not the past, we had learn alot from modern history since secondary 1
The REAL FACTS is that anybody with your level of comprehension will not be taken seriously.....continue Crap.....
LKY wrote a memoir that is his memoir it does not reflect that is the History of Singapore.....It reflect his perspective in history....
So why would a taiwan Whore like you with a Secondary 1 mentality tell people what to read and what to think????
why go read an ang mo writing??? how much does a ang mo truly understand us, funny thing about Asia, even their history and past are being comment and criticised by the ang mo and still they nodded their head in agreement, didn;t WW2 taught you a lesson from the Jap. Sick of men Asia, wake up!
Long Long time ago
When ang mo or jap call asian
chinese Sick man of Asia
normally they will collapse
due to a powerful kick or blow
from our dear Bruce Lee
now, we under Harry Lee, even being called as sick men of Asia, we still kowtow and contribute billions of money to them. I dunno, it seem like we never look ourselve beyong ang mo...so many beggars in Europe and America still think we are yellow nigger, worst than them.
What happened in 1819 were definitely different from the present day. In the past, migrants and their descendent in Singapore "were forced to choose between one of two education options." They experienced how the british sanctioned their “exploration of their plural identities and their interest in opening china commercially”, but “the china orientation of the straits Chinese was being used to bar them from political representation in the administration”. I can imagine how the Chinese in Singaporean then must have felt when in 1930 Britian and China agreed that Chinese British subjects could no longer claim British national status whilst visiting China, and at the same time they are "being withheld from appointment to higher positions in the colonial government." The Chinese then were made to choose between a colonial master and their motherland, they were
Today, we choose what kind of Singaporean we want to be.
There is no dual nationality for Singaporean, and we are protected by the constitution of Singapore, not the queen in Buckingham palace or the emperor in the Forbidden City.
Today, immigrants decide where they want to go, in the past, their destination was decided by the wind.
The predominantly English speaking Straits Chinese represents a small part of the modern cosmopolitan Singapore. Even among the Chinese Singaporean, there is still a large portion who came to Singapore after 1949, from china (before China became PRC), Malaysia, HK, Taiwan, Indonesia…and these are authentic Singaporean.
What remains unchanged is that Singaporean will have to continue to interact with new wave of immigrants, and respond to new cultural and political ideas, from PRC, India, the region, and even US, UK, and australia via the net. Besides trading, there are plenty of joba for the economy to expand. Of course, last time, the fruits of economy expansion went to Buckingham palace, now it goes to Istana or MAS at Shenton Way.
Originally posted by angel7030:why go read an ang mo writing??? how much does a ang mo truly understand us, funny thing about Asia, even their history and past are being comment and criticised by the ang mo and still they nodded their head in agreement, didn;t WW2 taught you a lesson from the Jap. Sick of men Asia, wake up!
the only person that needs to WAKE UP is you....and why would a Taiwan clone be here to proclaim that we are reading an article from Ang Mo? just because his last name is Frost ?
why would a Cockles tell the different if she kept putting her head in the SAND....the only person that needs to WAKE UP is you.....you Aired Head....
Originally posted by noahnoah:
Long Long time ago
When ang mo or jap call asian
chinese Sick man of Asia
normally they will collapse
due to a powerful kick or blow
from our dear Bruce Lee
Please read the article.....it is before the Ang Mo....
Originally posted by Arapahoe:the only person that needs to WAKE UP is you....and why would a Taiwan clone be here to proclaim that we are reading an article from Ang Mo? just because his last name is Frost ?
why would a Cockles tell the different if she kept putting her head in the SAND....the only person that needs to WAKE UP is you.....you Aired Head....
History repeats itself, ALWAYS.
Those who ignore history do so at their own peril.
That's all I have to say. No need to respond to someone who is ignorant and has no knowledge of anything in the world.
We have seen much more of the world than this thing (who cannot decide whether it is a he or she) has. Let's be more forgiving to it since it is much more ignorant than anyone else in this forum.
A frog in a well is already sad enough. A frog in a well, who THINKS it knows everything in the world, is even more sad.
Well, i am just stating the facts mah, look at the ang mo countries now, chaotic lor, and worst, they can tell you about soon zhi bing fa in business tactic somemore, how on earth can Madoff knows soon zhi bing fa??
Anyway, i dun read much of their stuff, all those economist gurus and writer are just selling your soul, there are ulterior motive in ang mo investment books, it alway said, invest, invest and later you get conned. Books like how to get rich, how to be like Warren B, bill etc etc../ are all unrealistic.
Originally posted by angel7030:Well, i am just stating the facts mah, look at the ang mo countries now, chaotic lor, and worst, they can tell you about soon zhi bing fa in business tactic somemore, how on earth can Madoff knows soon zhi bing fa??
Anyway, i dun read much of their stuff, all those economist gurus and writer are just selling your soul, there are ulterior motive in ang mo investment books, it alway said, invest, invest and later you get conned. Books like how to get rich, how to be like Warren B, bill etc etc../ are all unrealistic.
continue to crap here......and disrupt the thread what does Madeoff got to do with Singapore immigrant past?
The fact that you did not read the article and jump into conclusion that colonial past impact immigrant is your own derivation of your own perception it has nothing to do with the article i sited.....
why does ravinder have to end with a Frost!!!???? eating ang mo pie again??? Ghandi will be crying if Indian are still in the chain of ang mo ya. Read more local news and writing, forget those fake indian ang mo selling your soul here.
Originally posted by angel7030:why does ravinder have to end with a Frost!!!???? eating ang mo pie again??? Ghandi will be crying if Indian are still in the chain of ang mo ya. Read more local news and writing, forget those fake indian ang mo selling your soul here.
displaying your puay chau cheebye free of charge, wake up ah por, no human here want to see your puay cb. Don't know about it don't act as if you know everything. ccb ah por wash cb with dettol, remember .
Originally posted by sgdiehard:What happened in 1819 were definitely different from the present day. In the past, migrants and their descendent in Singapore "were forced to choose between one of two education options." They experienced how the british sanctioned their “exploration of their plural identities and their interest in opening china commercially”, but “the china orientation of the straits Chinese was being used to bar them from political representation in the administration”. I can imagine how the Chinese in Singaporean then must have felt when in 1930 Britian and China agreed that Chinese British subjects could no longer claim British national status whilst visiting China, and at the same time they are "being withheld from appointment to higher positions in the colonial government." The Chinese then were made to choose between a colonial master and their motherland, they were
Today, we choose what kind of Singaporean we want to be.
There is no dual nationality for Singaporean, and we are protected by the constitution of Singapore, not the queen in Buckingham palace or the emperor in the Forbidden City.
Today, immigrants decide where they want to go, in the past, their destination was decided by the wind.
The predominantly English speaking Straits Chinese represents a small part of the modern cosmopolitan Singapore. Even among the Chinese Singaporean, there is still a large portion who came to Singapore after 1949, from china (before China became PRC), Malaysia, HK, Taiwan, Indonesia…and these are authentic Singaporean.
What remains unchanged is that Singaporean will have to continue to interact with new wave of immigrants, and respond to new cultural and political ideas, from PRC, India, the region, and even US, UK, and australia via the net. Besides trading, there are plenty of joba for the economy to expand. Of course, last time, the fruits of economy expansion went to Buckingham palace, now it goes to Istana or MAS at Shenton Way.
From 1918 to 1819...wha lau, Uncles..are u guys ok or not...you want me to tell you what happen in 1719 or not...seibei cham one leh.
Every layman on the street also know that in 1918, the immigrants came here to suffer as coolies and slaves. Today, immigrant come here with a silver plate infront of them...THAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENT YA!!!. Why are immigrants coming here today enjoy the fruits of our forefathers and mothers hard, sweat and blood works???? What right do they have??? That is what i want to hear from you all, not about some foreign mama telling us what to do while sitting in his posh NTU office waiting for the shit to come out.
UNDERSTAND!!!
Originally posted by angel7030:why does ravinder have to end with a Frost!!!???? eating ang mo pie again??? Ghandi will be crying if Indian are still in the chain of ang mo ya. Read more local news and writing, forget those fake indian ang mo selling your soul here.
You have sold your soul to the continuing propaganda of gov......and continue to use your ASS to Talk thru your Head....
IF you have "READ the Article" you would have "LEARNED" that early chinese immigrant married off with Penaraken family to establish business Network...in SEA.
So if you want to commend your little shitty brain you better read or else stop Craping in this Thread...you BITCH
Please do not even talked about Ghandi.....you don't even know Singapore history well enough and you want to refer to Ghandi????
Originally posted by angel7030:
From 1918 to 1819...wha lau, Uncles..are u guys ok or not...you want me to tell you what happen in 1719 or not...seibei cham one leh.Every layman on the street also know that in 1918, the immigrants came here to suffer as coolies and slaves. Today, immigrant come here with a silver plate infront of them...THAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENT YA!!!. Why are immigrants coming here today enjoy the fruits of our forefathers and mothers hard, sweat and blood works???? What right do they have??? That is what i want to hear from you all, not about some foreign mama telling us what to do while sitting in his posh NTU office waiting for the shit to come out.
UNDERSTAND!!!
ha ha ha you make a FOOL out of yourself.....sgdiehard know more about SG than you...........know yourself....YOU continue to be the worst person in this forum you continue to demonstrate to be a QUEEN OF Ignorant Whore....
IF YOU READ the Article you would have "LEARNED".......
Singapore early immigrant were issuing Bond that were considered "AAA" in today standard....better than rating than Temasek bond....
"European Merchant relied on Hockien traders and networks they command to purchase good.....Chinese traders granted credit and deemed by Europeans most trustworthy and least likely to abscond were those who, in addition to some English, possessed families and property (Lee 1978 - 19-12) (Frost 9-10) "
You are totally ignorant and continue to assume the worst of early immigrant????
The fast rule between the Hokkien traders and Europeans in the early days is the 20% mark up to ensure the procurement of goods. That small margin is considered very affordable and worked well for both.