VIDEOS: A showcase of “lazy and too old†Singapore elderly w
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VIDEOS: A showcase of “lazy and too old” Singapore elderly workers
March 3, 2010
During a recent parliamentary session, PAP MP Ong Ah Heng from Yishun Central admitted quite frankly that he had sacked Singapore elderly workers and replaced them with foreigners in his constituency in his impassioned defence of foreigner workers:
“I know of one family who complain the cleaners in their precinct are lazy and too old. They don’t want local workers who are old, they want young foreign workers. To satisfy the demand, I changed the local workers to foreign workers. Foreign workers are not a burden to us. Their presence here is not negative. Without foreign workers, things will be worse,” he said. (read article here)
Let us recall two elderly Singaporeans who are forced to work well into their twilight years because they cannot afford to retire.
We leave readers to judge for themselves if they are really as “lazy and too old” as described by MP Ong Ah Heng:
Case #1: Interview with a 80 year old Toilet attendant
Prologue:
On 10 February 2009, Lianhe Wanbao published a feature of an elderly couple working as toilet attendants who have to eat outside the public toilet daily just to earn a few extra cents. (Read article here) We caught up with Madam Chen Ying to record this interview with her to shed more light on her daily life.
PART 1
Read the full interview here
PART 2
Read the full interview here
Case #2: Struggles of a 76 year old Singapore street scavenger
Prologue:
Zheng Jie Wo struggles to load another empty box onto her trolley. At 76, she is besieged by joint pain brought on by a life of hard work. She can barely push the trolley that she uses to collect Singapore’s discarded cardboard, cans and paper.
“I still have to work even if it is painful. It hurts here in my joints and here to. I have got chronic arthritis.” Zheng has been living on the streets for about seven years.
Read the full interview here
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I think that is wrong, i am blaming the residence, but the MPs, he should not settle case by just simply replace peoples, he should go down, talk to these old peoples, train them and make them more worthy of what they are, make them leader of the foreigner workers, supervise those foreign workers, make them feels proud of their jobs and career. This is bad management.
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angel7030,
they are 80 years old....cant even walk and think or even see properly vison all blured and heart not pumping enough blood...they should be relaxing their golden years with a pension!
this is not bad managememt...this is government intention.the gov have tyheir agendas and know what they are doing!
i wouldnrt be surprised in future the bulldoze a flat or demolish it to ground with some amah still in itwho is unwilling to relocate due to high costs!
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Originally posted by Hitman~:
angel7030,
they are 80 years old....cant even walk and think or even see properly vison all blured and heart not pumping enough blood...they should be relaxing their golden years with a pension!
this is not bad managememt...this is government intention.the gov have tyheir agendas and know what they are doing!
i wouldnrt be surprised in future the bulldoze a flat or demolish it to ground with some amah still in itwho is unwilling to relocate due to high costs!
Then in the first place, why employ them, give them a golden life lah, i mean dun just go around once a year in CNY giving them NTUC left over foods and a small angpao and that's it. I think the hidden agenda here is to show people, look we give you job, but you cannot do it, so we employ foreigners, isn't it lame??? I got a 72yo ah soh do cleaning glasses and plates job for me and still going strong, we all encouraged her, help her, get her to join us in many gathering, and in return, she had never fail to turn up a single day unitil i told her that her leaves is too much, we can only accommodate 2 years of Annual leaves, so she went for 3 days leave, but on the 2nd days, she return, said that she dun mind work free...end up i paid her all her leaves just to get it clear, but i do it secretly just in case other employees know it.
Now why enjoy her works here, because the environment create for her, old people like loyalty, trust and recognise, tho they may chat chat some nonsense like me, but they are good and experience peoples, just set the environment right, redesign their jobs to suit them, and they can really contribute to me, the society, the country and certainly, Productivity.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Then in the first place, why employ them, give them a golden life lah, i mean dun just go around once a year in CNY giving them NTUC left over foods and a small angpao and that's it. I think the hidden agenda here is to show people, look we give you job, but you cannot do it, so we employ foreigners, isn't it lame??? I got a 72yo ah soh do cleaning glasses and plates job for me and still going strong, we all encouraged her, help her, get her to join us in many gathering, and in return, she had never fail to turn up a single day unitil i told her that her leaves is too much, we can only accommodate 2 years of Annual leaves, so she went for 3 days leave, but on the 2nd days, she return, said that she dun mind work free...end up i paid her all her leaves just to get it clear, but i do it secretly just in case other employees know it.
Now why enjoy her works here, because the environment create for her, old people like loyalty, trust and recognise, tho they may chat chat some nonsense like me, but they are good and experience peoples, just set the environment right, redesign their jobs to suit them, and they can really contribute to me, the society, the country and certainly, Productivity.
hey aunty angel 7030 better help , cos you one day also become old -
Has there been any relevance from the Taiwanese 'hum' in its replies to any thread ?
The resident CBM return again to make another worthless display of its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - that flap useless with so much idiocy in public just to attract attention to its shitself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore'. -
angel70,
what chance do they really have????frankly speaking...............the gov couldnt care less if they had their meals inside a toilet....so the gov in the first place never cared.
IT WAS A CON JOB WITH GAMBLING ON THE SIDE LINE.
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however a man alone is nothing unless he is indestructible,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to rake a pathway for a golden old age.
the gov should be in that position both with the money and the power to accomplish that fast!things like that shouldnt be planned and lumped to every citizen from the start in 1960s
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We should sack the MM and the 2 SMs
they are all too old
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
We should sake the MM and the 2 SMs
they are all too old
the MM should volunteer in the National Museum of Singapore giving talks to Tourist at IR....about the History of Singapore..... -
Originally posted by soul_rage:
We should sack the MM and the 2 SMs
they are all too old
10 million off the budget just like that! -
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
10 million off the budget just like that!With that money, we can double our expenditure for programs in welcoming new citizens!
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Originally posted by �玟 往日情:
hey aunty angel 7030 better help , cos you one day also become old
as i said, tho i am young, i am also like them chit chat all the way, old peoples are poor thing, they talk, no one listen, so i listen to them, and they can tell you wonderful meaning in life, hey, i supported 12 oldies womenfolk at Zion Home in Bedok ok, every month i visit them, talk to them listen to them, and sometime drive them to chinatown and Singapore River, my gosh, they can;t even recognise the place,..i even piggyback some of them all the way around the old clifford pier, some said, they built clifford pier with their bare hands...all 80s above liao,...and i also brought a TV and Karaoke set for them. -
Originally posted by Hitman~:
however a man alone is nothing unless he is indestructible,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to rake a pathway for a golden old age.
the gov should be in that position both with the money and the power to accomplish that fast!things like that shouldnt be planned and lumped to every citizen from the start in 1960s
Old is definitely by and large, got many disadvantages, even me, if someone called me asking for a job i advertised, and if he/she tells me he/she is 40yo and above, I would said sorry to them, better than others who just bang the phone down. You go ahead and try, call some of these companies who need people, once you said 40s and above, the tone and sound changed, and if the phone goes off line, too bad.That is the reality of it...and ass to those Ministers who keep asking us to be realistic...what realistic are they looking at??? their assholes??
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
10 million off the budget just like that!
what is 10millions today...dun be so bewildered, for them, losing 150 billions is nothing...alway said, long term view, long term investment, long term projection...u believe them, you wait long long lor -
keep blaming pap, goverrn, ministers..when you back home is consider ppl 40 as 'old'?????? Now I understand the problem with sg is not abt the governing, it is also the general mentality of Singaporean, especially our value in respecting the elders.
By no mean to downgrade my fellow countrymen, in PRC, they consider old as 'Bao' 家有一�如有一�。I really feel they are not 'acting' in public when they confess profundly their love for their grandparents etc etc. I visited many PRC families and 9 out of 10 are living with their elders. In one family I saw the couple live with both set of Parents with one the child policy in China.
As I have say before, the value of respecting elder cannot be taught. I learnt it from my parent who show the same affection for his Parent and on and on continuing...as long as one generation break the chain..we going to have problem with upholding our value in respecting our elderly. We need to be careful of the western value where parent are encourage to live away from our children. For me, I keep the biggest and the best facing room in my PRC house for my parent and I will do whatever it take to make them comfortable and not wanting to return home to Singapore.
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Originally posted by Wmyongj:
keep blaming pap, goverrn, ministers..when you back home is consider ppl 40 as 'old'?????? Now I understand the problem with sg is not abt the governing, it is also the general mentality of Singaporean, especially our value in respecting the elders.
By no mean to downgrade my fellow countrymen, in PRC, they consider old as 'Bao' 家有一�如有一�。I really feel they are not 'acting' in public when they confess profundly their love for their grandparents etc etc. I visited many PRC families and 9 out of 10 are living with their elders. In one family I saw the couple live with both set of Parents with one the child policy in China.
As I have say before, the value of respecting elder cannot be taught. I learnt it from my parent who show the same affection for his Parent and on and on continuing...as long as one generation break the chain..we going to have problem with upholding our value in respecting our elderly. We need to be careful of the western value where parent are encourage to live away from our children. For me, I keep the biggest and the best facing room in my PRC house for my parent and I will do whatever it take to make them comfortable and not wanting to return home to Singapore.
Sure, the east absorbed the confucian theory of self and family first, and we are filial piety to our older generation. To us it is a sin not to do so. And because of our filial piety nature to old peoples, government are not worry about our older peoples, it is a political advantage to them that the citizens can take care of the older citizen by themsleves, unlike the west, where olds need lots of social welfare caring, which is a burden to the govt. Be it if you are Chinese, Malay, Indian or Bangala, the essence of filial piety exist not only in the society but also in religion. And that why PAP allow free religion in this country, because religion taught people to be discipline and care for the old, and that is good for the govt.
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However, in the 80s, there are 10 youngs supporting a old one, today goes down by half 5 youngs is to 1 old, and by 2020, due to our low birthrate and aging populations, it will be 2 youngs is to 1 old, and that will put more and more pressure on the younger ones, therefore, if you look at our foreign immigration policies, at time, you hv to agree to let some young foreign in, especially those capable ones with young childrens to help us.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
However, in the 80s, there are 10 youngs supporting a old one, today goes down by half 5 youngs is to 1 old, and by 2020, due to our low birthrate and aging populations, it will be 2 youngs is to 1 old, and that will put more and more pressure on the younger ones, therefore, if you look at our foreign immigration policies, at time, you hv to agree to let some young foreign in, especially those capable ones with young childrens to help us.
PRC already have 2 youngs to 4 old already and without welfare. Spore has no welfare for the elders, in fact, not retirement friendly. Our CPF scheme is not enough to retire in Spore. I am not in favour of pomoting welfare scheme and I dont believe elder issue is governing issue but I am seriously wondering how many Singapore family are living with their elder to promote the chain down effect of filial care. I know most of the Singaporean young are already living apart from their parent. -
Originally posted by Wmyongj:
PRC already have 2 youngs to 4 old already and without welfare. Spore has no welfare for the elders, in fact, not retirement friendly. Our CPF scheme is not enough to retire in Spore. I am not in favour of pomoting welfare scheme and I dont believe elder issue is governing issue but I am seriously wondering how many Singapore family are living with their elder to promote the chain down effect of filial care. I know most of the Singaporean young are already living apart from their parent.PRC has a farm, a village to go back to, eat corn or farm the land with chickens and ducks to eat, what we got here is concrete here and there, if no money in Singapore, u are doom. Same to Malaysia and many other countries people, ours is very different, we got no kampong to balek to, so our old will dwell within us.
Governing is an issue, the way govt educate the people, the way govt leviate the cost here, the way govt controlled the wages, the way govt stressed the population out also control the birthrate. The way govt promote the high standard of living also play a part in birthrate issue. Old age is not an issue if the production of youngs is there, but it is decreasing that is the issue.
From the govt stand, simple, if the youngs are not there, and more old get retired, they will hve less revenue or so called TAX. And to cater to these increasing old, they will hv to put out more than the tax collected, leading to tax deficit.
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PRC farmer gal who works as production operator in china has both concrete "mansion" plus a farmland in her village.they will get better in future as they have skills,vast amount of land and cost effective results.
singapore on the other hand has mainly imported skills from india n china.they havent much people who are dedicated and when they do have dedicated people..they are forced to immigrate to low salary and low living standards in singapore.and the neighbours wouldnt be considered as nice or thoughtful....more like another type of bangladeshi.
i dare not think of old folks and their future with singapore.i would say its even way better to be in malaysia than to be in singapore.as a practical singaporean there are only a few choices and what singapore has to offer.and with singapore as a mineral scarce place with not much resources except for people who think they are big and almighty even though they may be earning peanuts to a cleaner with the same intellect.
i do not see any future for singaporeans or people who use singapore as a crutch as it itself is already so fragile as it is now.
god bless and look after the old people in singapore as the younger ones in singapore cant or dont know how to care for them.
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Originally posted by TERMINATOR20000010:
PRC farmer gal who works as production operator in china has both concrete "mansion" plus a farmland in her village.they will get better in future as they have skills,vast amount of land and cost effective results.
singapore on the other hand has mainly imported skills from india n china.they havent much people who are dedicated and when they do have dedicated people..they are forced to immigrate to low salary and low living standards in singapore.and the neighbours wouldnt be considered as nice or thoughtful....more like another type of bangladeshi.
i dare not think of old folks and their future with singapore.i would say its even way better to be in malaysia than to be in singapore.as a practical singaporean there are only a few choices and what singapore has to offer.and with singapore as a mineral scarce place with not much resources except for people who think they are big and almighty even though they may be earning peanuts to a cleaner with the same intellect.
i do not see any future for singaporeans or people who use singapore as a crutch as it itself is already so fragile as it is now.
god bless and look after the old people in singapore as the younger ones in singapore cant or dont know how to care for them.
In Germany and many Western Countries, pension scheme helps majority of old folks to a good retirement. (actually, if one take up a pension scheme early in their career he/she will receive app 4K SGD per month plus 2 free airtickets for retirement. This is partly make possible from early company contribution, state welfare and self payment. Pension scheme in many countries, including PRC separate housing fund and retirement pension. In PRC as long as contribution are make monthly to an govern owned insurance company, they will receive app 600RMB monthly after age 55, Farmers are part of the scheme. The pension is significant considering most ppl live in countryside and do not need spending money. Even Japan has a payment and welfare system that pay from early saving of individual.
We Singapore should not be deceived by our CPF schemethinking it will give us sufficient money for retirement as most of the money has gone to high HDB contribution and whatever left in the special a/c etc will not be enought.
Having the chance of working oversea mean that we are able to save a greater part of our salary as cost of living is low in PRC. (actually the saving is significant with the extremely low transportation, food , housing and medical cost). PRC standard of living is not lower than Spore although cost is low. Actually the quality of life is must better (although we miss the beautiful gardens and clean environment). We can buy BM car at 50K SGD, company paid housing,maid not more than SGD 100 month. PRC has 2--3 long public holidays that stretched for week allowing us regular returns to Sg. Some companies give home leave bte 20-45 days a year. No matter more and more Sg will leave Spore for elsewhere.
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I think basically, in term of old age fund system, it goes by differently from Country to Country, comparing is alway an envy that will turn hatre in no time. One way or the other, someone have to put money into the fund, saving or insurance just to get the return. As said, there is no free lunch in this world, and certainly not in Singapore. 4k in sing dollars is nothing in Germany with regard to their cost of living there, and yet all these countries personal taxation are much much higher than in Singapore, we have the see the whole picture, gather the right information and do proper study on it. I not saying you are wrong in comparing, but you got to compare an apple to an apple, not an apple with a water melon.
Like or not, our CPF had alway been the envy of many countries, and alot of countries from Africa to China are sending study mission here to learn from us, MPF in Malaysia fail miserably, so is IRF, indonesia retiring funds, it cannot function at all, but both these countries can talk big about their aging funds, and if you across those sea and straits to talk to their old folks, you can the true story. Many learned our framework of CPF, went back and can do nothing in their own countries, because their companies are not willing to contribute, their govt are not willing to adminstrate a system like this, all they want is fast cash and quick hit and run. Corruption is another issue in these countries that make their retiring funds system a total diseaster. Yes, i would said that in Europe or the West, where they got welfare funds and retirement funds more or less in place, but their taxation is so high that lead to most didn't want to work, and rather take welfare funds, some people said to me Aussies are lazy people, i said no, because the tax is so high, they rather take the welfare funds than work. And if you think the West government are in flavor of scrapping the welfare funds, yes they are, but whoever govt did it must be get ready to get bombarded by it citizens.
Life is not about going another place and enjoy the life there, life is about home, your birthplace, giving a chance everyone will love to be back in their homeland, a foreigner working here will love to go back home too, but because of earning a living, he/she sacrificed his/her home. With no doubt, every singaporeans working outside of singapore, tho may hv garden or cheaper BM, they will miss Singapore greatly. As a taiwanese, i also miss my village up in the mountain of taichong Mei Shan.
And finally, there is a huge different btw having a garden in Singapore and in PRC, or even owning a BM. When I drove our BM into malaysia, that car plate with SJ.....command more respect.
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wong>>>singapore is like a unexploded bomb.........it is that faulty and that dangerous.so beware...treat it as such..
angel70>>get a handsome university lecturer....have his children with high iQ and they will look after u in taichong taiwan!
