till then, USA and Europe all have economic and flock of problems of their own...if China has the most powerful economy and military around.....who can help us if we counter threats from our neighbours?
Originally posted by Fcukpap:China old guards are around ... and the new ones will see a New China....the young are no longer indoctrinated with the Old Mao's Little Red Book....it will surely change but that would be the next 30 - 40 years from now....more elite researchers are flocking back to China...it would be a different China...and they will buy back their lost treasures and history....
Strategically, we need to maintain close economic and diplomatic ties...which would be very helpful when we are counter grave security threats from our neighbours...not only with China....no one will help us for free ... there is no free lunch ...
Even if they are not indoctrinated with Mao's little Red Book, they are still fed propagandas from young like what our PAP has been doing. The only difference is that they are fiercely patriotic for good or bad.
They will buy back their lost treasures yes, but history? Mao's cultural revolution destroyed history and treasures that can't be bought back and people who rule China today are most likely those who are sons and daughters who benefited from the cultural revolution. They destroyed part of China's history with their own hands.
Some of them see us descendants of Chinese who migrated out of China for various reasons as traitors to China.
You think they really care about us, a little red dot? See us as brothers related ethnically? Look at Taiwan situation, how many missiles are pointing at Taiwan when China kept repeating that Taiwanese and Chinese are brothers, no need to fight.
Yes, no one will help us for free but what kind of lunch can we offer to this giant that can pretty much feed itself?
If you look at the map, the closest ally we can have if Malaysia and Indonesia become hostile is Australia in terms of distance.
I'm very sick of the Pro-China propagandas that PAP keep feeding us through the media.
Originally posted by Fcukpap:till then, USA and Europe all have economic and flock of problems of their own...if China has the most powerful economy and military around.....who can help us if we counter threats from our neighbours?
India.
i doubt all of them are free for help...
rather than that...China will become Superpower sooner or later...their military power is growing evidently strong out of Americans' nightmares
and don't underestimate Malaysia's and Indonesia's military....
lets face it...we are a little dot...we need to be very pragmatic on who could protect us...economically and militarily...there are no two ways about it...
establishing strong ties with China is the most pragmatic, aside with all other major powers...yet stay neutral and non-aligned...
Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, friends and foes,
Please dun be too carry away with our govt foreign policies with regard to China and some other superpower countries, the govt objective is not about sovereignity or getting colonised again, but rather, we are looking at the aspect of economy.
You and I had fully agreed that China will be a economy powerhouse in near future, in terms of military, it is another story, but our objective is to ride the on the success of China economy, not on their military. And to do that, we need to built the foundation, the basis to let our people understand china more indept, that is why there are so many exchange programmes and business transaction going on, but there is no threat at all in our own independency. So, dun think wildly ya.
It is of great luck that we, as singapore, with a high percentage of chinese who learned chinese and chinese culture and therefore able to both attract PRC and also do business with them. Hongkong sooner or later will be full china, taiwan is a big issue there, only left is we, Singapore, we want to be a financial service provider to china business, we want to be the mediator and the interimer business partner for anyone from the west or middle east who want to find the next silk route to china.
Angel
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Originally posted by Acidshuriken:that we are the middleman for china and the west is a myth now. maybe in the 80s and perhaps 90s yes, now china and the west no longer need middlemen.
what middle man, no lah, we are not the gate to china, Hong kong had alway been the gate to china, we are just making it more smoother, provide a platform of financial services, the know how and know why, the financial human resource, the joint venture and the outsourcing condition into china.
The west can directly move into china, why they need us, but they can utilitise our clean financial services and resources and also take us as an outsourcing partnership just like a second base for launching into china.
Angel,
Singapore aspire to emulate Britian to be the financial center of Asia. To do so, we must be able to attract oversea fund that we are seriously hadicapped. The financial services that Sg offer is still a middlemen nature as our country size and population dont have enough money like the banks in NY or British that source the monies from their motherland USA and Europe.
The reason Sg is so adamant not to disclose to the American and protect our bank secrecy law is that a significant of these monies are parked in Sg that will eventually fled the country had owner identities are known.
In addition we are no longer an attrative location for IPO in that HK had over taken us to its proximity to their motherland China, which increasing providing funding to HK. PRC will eventually allow its citizen to invest in HK stocks but not Sg.
Originally posted by Wmyongj:Angel,
Singapore aspire to emulate Britian to be the financial center of Asia. To do so, we must be able to attract oversea fund that we are seriously hadicapped. The financial services that Sg offer is still a middlemen nature as our country size and population dont have enough money like the banks in NY or British that source the monies from their motherland USA and Europe.
The reason Sg is so adamant not to disclose to the American and protect our bank secrecy law is that a significant of these monies are parked in Sg that will eventually fled the country had owner identities are known.
In addition we are no longer an attrative location for IPO in that HK had over taken us to its proximity to their motherland China, which increasing providing funding to HK. PRC will eventually allow its citizen to invest in HK stocks but not Sg.
Ah Wmy kor kor,
Stock and share is a different stories all together, we want to provide china and foreign companies in china a clean and uncorrupted financial statement, Singapore financial resources are in need in China, vietnam and many other developing countries, this is because our people are trained to be clean, just like our govt, 10 out of 9 chinese accountant corrupt, it is their culture, the west doing business in china do not trust them, so we provide the platform for them here, to set up their financial HQ hub in singapore, and they are doing it, that is why many banks and finanicial insitute are coming here, because we want to make shenton a place where you can do your financial business easily. Hongkong had alway been the NY of Asia, that is their main and core industrial, but as the 50 years of self governing coming to an end, we hope that the shift will move to here, and unlike HK, we are more diversified, we are the best oil rig producers, we got the fastest and smoothest port and oil processing around here and also many other industrial, Hongkong focus mainly on their financial sector, and perhap some shipping lines.
Ah Wmy kor kor,
Stock and share is a different stories all together, we want to provide china and foreign companies in china a clean and uncorrupted financial statement, Singapore financial resources are in need in China, vietnam and many other developing countries, this is because our people are trained to be clean, just like our govt, 10 out of 9 chinese accountant corrupt, it is their culture, the west doing business in china do not trust them, so we provide the platform for them here, to set up their financial HQ hub in singapore, and they are doing it, that is why many banks and finanicial insitute are coming here, because we want to make shenton a place where you can do your financial business easily. Hongkong had alway been the NY of Asia, that is their main and core industrial, but as the 50 years of self governing coming to an end, we hope that the shift will move to here, and unlike HK, we are more diversified, we are the best oil rig producers, we got the fastest and smoothest port and oil processing around here and also many other industrial, Hongkong focus mainly on their financial sector, and perhap some shipping lines.
Angel auntie, please get your facts right okay. Just b'ocs you had a mouth does not mean you are smart okay
Singapore is a developed countries, all our industries had "hollow out" to thailand, malaysia, vietnam, china, india
And mind you China take over Germany as No3 in GDP, predict to overtake Japan next as No.2. By 2020 China will overtake USA as the biggest economy in the World. Goldman Sach report and Pricewater Cooper report (don't talk rubbish on corruption)
Singapre cannot compete in Manufacturering Hub, anything to do with labor instenive Singapore is out. That's why only HQ is found here my little girl
Please watch CNBC or Bloomberg TV auntie Angel. Singapore is heading into Serive Hub like Miedical Hub, Gaming Hub Casino, BioMedical Hub, Toursim Hub, Financal Hub and Education Hub.
What your Haig Girl School teaches you blur sotong student
Go and be a housewife lah
aiyo Uncle, i never said i smart mah, i just voice my opinon only mah, like this also cannot meh, wha lau, so undemocratic one, worst than PAP, talk also cannot meh.
Singapore had long embraced a knowledge economy, and now we are going into intellectual economy, but we dun really make it cos most sg Uncles and Aunties are still not up to mark to embrace an Intellectual global economy, we are not that flexible and gracious to except others coming in,...what economy are you talking about...
aiyo Uncle, i never said i smart mah, i just voice my opinon only mah, like this also cannot meh, wha lau, so undemocratic one, worst than PAP, talk also cannot meh.
Singapore had long embraced a knowledge economy, and now we are going into intellectual economy, but we dun really make it cos most sg Uncles and Aunties are still not up to mark to embrace an Intellectual global economy, we are not that flexible and gracious to except others coming in,...what economy are you talking about...
If you don't open your mouth nobody know you are dumb. Open open must talk clever things mah, my grandmother can talk better than you
You stop making me laugh lah, Knowledge economy must come with Open Society, you so clever you know this meh? This is such a rigid society, what kind of Knowledge can you find?
Intellectual Rights, you are refering is it? see I know you only know how to eat optatoe chips. Are we a country that had a lot of Patents Rights? Don't have...then don't need to talk already
I very gracious want, I accept others to comes...but I don't like you leh